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ProudMNDemocrat

(16,785 posts)
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:17 PM Jun 2019

I am okay with Joe Biden's position on the Hyde Amendment......

Why? Because if Joe gets the nomination, it will be the strategy of Republicans backing Trump to use this as a means to suppress Women and most Democrats from voting as they use this as a wedge issue to rile up their base.

Republicans are great as misconstruing the facts into propaganda in order to win. Hammer on.."Democrats favor Government paying for Abortions" and all hell will break loose. Democrats loose in the House, Senate, White House.

Instead, let us all make annual and generous donations to Planned Parenthood to help women gain access to affordable Birth Control and pay for abortions should they so choose.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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I am okay with Joe Biden's position on the Hyde Amendment...... (Original Post) ProudMNDemocrat Jun 2019 OP
Yes BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #1
The Hyde Amendment Will Not Lose Biden Much Support Among Those Who Support Him. Indykatie Jun 2019 #2
Yes, if women voted as a monolith Hillary would be president. BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #3
100% this Freddie Jun 2019 #5
Agree completely! OhZone Jun 2019 #8
Tell us: what IS his position? brooklynite Jun 2019 #4
I acknowledge it, but I'm not okay with it Politicub Jun 2019 #6
So, he shouldn't support the subsidies in the ACA, either. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #7
None of those issues are anywhere near the hot button like abortion is for republicans. Mr.Bill Jun 2019 #11
Abortion...illegal immigration....socialism (incl. the ACA). All hot button topics. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #12
Not only is he wrong, but his mixed messages project 'too clever by half' situational posturing Celerity Jun 2019 #9
Now he says he does NOT support it. Honeycombe8 Jun 2019 #13
... Scurrilous Jun 2019 #10
 

BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
1. Yes
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:22 PM
Jun 2019

Some have posted polls refuting this but they all use flowery language to describe what amounts to tax dollars being used to pay for abortions. Polls using terms like “reproductive services” that could mean anything.

The republicans will lay it out just as you said. Tax dollars for abortions.

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Indykatie

(3,696 posts)
2. The Hyde Amendment Will Not Lose Biden Much Support Among Those Who Support Him.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:45 PM
Jun 2019

There will be a lot of noise coming from Dems who support other candidates though. I personally agree with Biden's position. Besides we should not give the GOP the Tax dollars for abortions hammer to beat Dems over the head with. This is not a hill we should be willing to die on. We also need to accept there are Dems in Red states and districts who will take Biden's position.

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BannonsLiver

(16,387 posts)
3. Yes, if women voted as a monolith Hillary would be president.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:47 PM
Jun 2019

Fact is the majority of white women voted for Fat Donnie.

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Freddie

(9,267 posts)
5. 100% this
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 12:54 PM
Jun 2019

We defend PP by stating that “no tax $$ goes for abortions.” While I don’t support the Hyde Amendment, I think moving the pro-choice window to the left is a mistake right now. The other side is already batshit nuts, let’s not inflame them.

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OhZone

(3,212 posts)
8. Agree completely!
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:20 PM
Jun 2019

This is what I call just smart politics. We need to appeal to a broad swath of the country. Center left is the way right now. Then we nudge a little left, if the country supports it, over the next few.

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Politicub

(12,165 posts)
6. I acknowledge it, but I'm not okay with it
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:04 PM
Jun 2019

If it’s what Biden believes, at least he told us. I know he said something different at the ACLU event, but I’m taking the statement from his campaign to be the definitive position.

It’s not a deal breaker for me, though it seems like it sets the wrong tone for the time we are in.

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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. So, he shouldn't support the subsidies in the ACA, either.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:15 PM
Jun 2019

Because the Republicans will use that as a wedge issue. Money for deadbeats!

He shouldn't support Medicaid expansion in the ACA. Money for deadbeats!

He shouldn't support a $15 min. wage. Wedge issue, wedge issue. Money for people who don't work as hard as we do!

He shouldn't support non-discrimination laws to include gays. Wedge issue.

He shouldn't support (insert any Democratic Party platform issue here)....it's a wedge issue with Republicans.

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Mr.Bill

(24,294 posts)
11. None of those issues are anywhere near the hot button like abortion is for republicans.
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 03:15 PM
Jun 2019

Visit some conservative websites. They refer to Roe v Wade as a democratic conspiracy to commit mass murder of babies, genocide and the Holocaust times ten. They project their racism by accusing us of wanting to murder every black baby in the country.

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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. Abortion...illegal immigration....socialism (incl. the ACA). All hot button topics.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:44 AM
Jun 2019

They are focusing more on abortion this election because health care is a losing issue for them, and they're not doing so well on illegal immigration (children in cages). Although illegal immigration will still be hawked a lot (they've already trotted out the amnesty word).

I don't think it's wise to base a belief on whether a Republican will attack you for it. Of COURSE they'll attack. That's what they do best, since they don't have solutions.

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Celerity

(43,383 posts)
9. Not only is he wrong, but his mixed messages project 'too clever by half' situational posturing
Thu Jun 6, 2019, 01:32 PM
Jun 2019


ACLU

@ACLU
A few weeks ago, Joe Biden told our #RightsforAll volunteer Nina in South Carolina that as president, he would end the Hyde amendment, which blocks access to abortion for low income women who can’t pay out of pocket.

But his campaign has now told NBC he still supports Hyde.

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6:55 PM - Jun 5, 2019
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Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. Now he says he does NOT support it.
Fri Jun 7, 2019, 12:47 AM
Jun 2019

So, are we all clear on where he stands on that?

I don't think a President has all that much control over what's in the bills that are sent to his desk, anyway. If it's a close call, a President can convince some Senators to not add this or that, but when it comes to abortion, I think a President will find that Senators & reps have very strong feelings on it.

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