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Funtatlaguy

(10,879 posts)
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:22 AM Jun 2019

Does Biden's religion matter ?

Morning Joe talking today about Biden being Catholic and that’s why he struggles with the abortion question. Joe Scarborough said if Joe Biden moves toward abortion on demand with no restrictions that it would hurt him in the general election with Catholics.
I’m not so sure about that.
We now have 5 members of SCOTUS that are Catholic.
23% of Americans identify as Catholic.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/13/us/no-religion-largest-group-first-time-usa-trnd/index.html

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Does Biden's religion matter ? (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 OP
There was a silly "fear" of Catholics when Kennedy was running. It was a HUGE deal. oldsoftie Jun 2019 #1
It matters as much (or as little) if he had no religion at all. no_hypocrisy Jun 2019 #2
Most of the Morning Joe crew think Biden needs to Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #3
I think that's true, but Joe should have easy answers to his abortion positions... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #10
I doubt it. I'm Catholic and pro-choice. bearsfootball516 Jun 2019 #4
Because there are rational Christians out there... Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #16
No, because no matter the religious convictions, a President supports the law Deb Jun 2019 #5
Scarborough named several states. Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #6
No candidate is arguing for fewer restrictions than Roe v Wade thesquanderer Jun 2019 #8
Didn't Roe use a trimester framework? Shrek Jun 2019 #12
Viablilty is kind of an amorphous concept... Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #18
No, not to the general public and majority of Catholics.. You can have a belief system Peacetrain Jun 2019 #7
no, and he doesn't struggle with the abortion question JI7 Jun 2019 #9
Only if he uses it to determine his policy positions...nt SidDithers Jun 2019 #11
Not to me, and I'm an atheist. MineralMan Jun 2019 #13
Evangelical xtians are more anti-choice than are catholics SharonClark Jun 2019 #14
I agree. I think the a evangelicals are Funtatlaguy Jun 2019 #19
Doesn't matter to me. Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author uawchild Jun 2019 #17
Joe's got one vulnerability customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #20
 

oldsoftie

(12,558 posts)
1. There was a silly "fear" of Catholics when Kennedy was running. It was a HUGE deal.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:25 AM
Jun 2019

I think he turned out just fine; although i would have loved to see what he would have been able to accomplish with a 2nd term

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no_hypocrisy

(46,130 posts)
2. It matters as much (or as little) if he had no religion at all.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:28 AM
Jun 2019

It's his positions on behalf of the country, his positions on preserving the fundamental rights of Americans that count, not his personal beliefs.

I believe Joe Biden can quarantine his personal beliefs from public policy.

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Undecided
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,879 posts)
3. Most of the Morning Joe crew think Biden needs to
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:30 AM
Jun 2019

further clarify where and how he has evolved on his abortion positions.
They said that other Dems will hit him hard on it in the debate.

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InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
10. I think that's true, but Joe should have easy answers to his abortion positions...
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:58 AM
Jun 2019

No question, Joe's debate advisors should have him well prepared.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
4. I doubt it. I'm Catholic and pro-choice.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:33 AM
Jun 2019

I know I'm not representative of everyone, but I know there are a large amount of pro-choice Catholics out there.

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Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
16. Because there are rational Christians out there...
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:17 AM
Jun 2019

who don't necessarily think their personal beliefs should be forced on others thru legislation.

Oh, and most Catholics are more 'Christian' than the typical Evangelical, it would seem.

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Deb

(3,742 posts)
5. No, because no matter the religious convictions, a President supports the law
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:43 AM
Jun 2019

or at least they are supposed to.

Using abortion as a tool to influence politics has a way of backfiring especially with women who are sick of being used as pawns.

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Funtatlaguy

(10,879 posts)
6. Scarborough named several states.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:47 AM
Jun 2019

He said that even though most Americans are pro choice, they still want some restrictions.
He said that any Democrat including Biden that don’t include some abortion restrictions will have trouble in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Florida with anti choice Catholics and Evangelicals.

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thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
8. No candidate is arguing for fewer restrictions than Roe v Wade
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:51 AM
Jun 2019

and those restrictions are likely enough for most Americans (i.e. the viability test).

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Shrek

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12. Didn't Roe use a trimester framework?
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:14 AM
Jun 2019

I believe the viability standard came later in Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

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Wounded Bear

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18. Viablilty is kind of an amorphous concept...
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:19 AM
Jun 2019

which probably doesn't align well with a specific number of weeks or months of gestation.

Certainly, heartbeat is a poor indicator to hang restrictions on.

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Peacetrain

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7. No, not to the general public and majority of Catholics.. You can have a belief system
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:49 AM
Jun 2019

But not impose it on anyone else.. Only those on the edges.. think that it is okay to impose their personal belief systems on others who are not part of that same community..

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JI7

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9. no, and he doesn't struggle with the abortion question
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 07:54 AM
Jun 2019
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SidDithers

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11. Only if he uses it to determine his policy positions...nt
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 08:11 AM
Jun 2019

Sid

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MineralMan

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13. Not to me, and I'm an atheist.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 09:53 AM
Jun 2019

Everyone has the right to choose a religious position. I care about how politicians vote and what they say they'll support or oppose, not how they pray or if they pray.

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SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
14. Evangelical xtians are more anti-choice than are catholics
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:13 AM
Jun 2019
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Funtatlaguy

(10,879 posts)
19. I agree. I think the a evangelicals are
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 12:54 PM
Jun 2019

already baked into the pie. A D to them doesn’t mean Democrat. It means Devil 👿. They just will not vote for a Democrat.

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Turin_C3PO

(14,004 posts)
15. Doesn't matter to me.
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 11:14 AM
Jun 2019

It’s not like he’s going to let the Catholic Church write policy.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Original post)

 

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
20. Joe's got one vulnerability
Mon Jun 10, 2019, 02:46 PM
Jun 2019

If the bishop in his diocese were to excommunicate him, it would be a big story. Yes, millions of nominal Catholics would be outraged at what they perceived was their church's meddling in our election, but millions would take it seriously.

The last time I attended Catholic services was in the early 1980's, and I saw a lot of Catholics gravitating to Reagan during that time, and I lived about an hour north of Seattle. I have no idea how they lean these days.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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