Senator Bernie Sanders on Maddow last night

[floppyboo]

In case you missed it.
go to -17:34
https://topnewsshow.com/the-rachel-maddow-show-7-10-19-msnbc/

[Me.]

1. Is That Where

he said black men and women shouldn't have been president in the past?

[floppyboo]

3. Whoa! Give me a link to that!

Quite the accusation. And please provide a link so I can judge for myself in the context in which whatever was said was said.
And please refrain from providing right wing sources.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

5. That was made up bull shit.

[floppyboo]

8. Is that kind of slander allowed here on DU?

[HerbChestnut]

31. Have you been reading this forum lately?

The ratio of negative:positive threads related to Sanders must be at least 10:1.

[floppyboo]

33. I haven't been replying lately

and then I reached the Eff It point.
I don't think I'm alone in hanging back as a Sanders supporter. Will probably sit out for a while again. But I predict that undecided vote on this board will shrink and Sanders will grow as the primaries get closer. No one needs to be flogged for a whole year! Ouch!

[Me.]

9. The Link

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287197761

[Autumn]

14. A craftily edited lying tweet. Pointed out several times in that twitter feed and the thread nt

[Me.]

16. So You Say

Here, there, and everywhere. Very busy.

[Autumn]

18. Yes I'm Here, there, and everywhere. Keeping track of me are we?

Sad for people on Twitter and elsewhere posting lies like that. Too bad video exists and proves they lie.

[Me.]

21. Sad To See Hopes Dying

I understand

[Autumn]

24. Don't deflect. It's a lie and there's video to prove it.

Sorry to disappoint but my hopes are alive, well and thriving.

[CentralMass]

29. +1

[wasupaloopa]

30. He was telling the truth about thinking back in time

These kind of bull shit drama queen statements should be against the rules. I am no Bernie fan but DUers who are attacking him over this are lying just as trump does to invent false narratives.

[mtnsnake]

32. Thank you!

[Autumn]

6. Why the need to lie? You know he said nothing of the sort, such a poor reflection on DU.

Me.

1. Is That Where
View profile
he said black men and women shouldn't have been president in the past?

[TCJ70]

11. That's not what he said:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287197761#post37

[Me.]

12. I Disagree

and am familiar with the link as I posted it first.

[TCJ70]

17. I linked to my specific comment that contains the video clip. Because...

...you seem to be unfamiliar with what he actually said.

[Autumn]

26. When people hate someone, a lie about them on Twitter is gospel.

Like Trump Humpers who follow Trump every tweet is the truth, no matter how stupid or how much proof to the contrary.

[mtnsnake]

19. Sanders never said anything like that. Your post should be deleted.

Even in that ridiculous tweet you linked to later on in the thread, there was nothing in that tweet that suggested Sanders himself ever implied that black men and women shouldn't have been president in the past.

[Me.]

22. And Yet The OP Stands

[billpolonsky]

23. Why don't you check the segment

before you post such misleading statements?

OK

here is the 2 minute segment.

[link:

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[dsc]

42. I am no Sanders fan but that is a total fabrication

I listened to that interview and he said that is what other people used to say in response to a question asking if Sawell was correct to say he shouldn't be running since he was so old. He compared ageism to the sexism and racism he was referring to.

[MineralMan]

2. I did miss it, but don't miss it, somehow.

Maybe you can give us the highlights.

[floppyboo]

4. why bother?

you don't miss it, your loss.

edit: sorry Mineral Man. That was snarky of me. Just get tired of people who don't want to learn or discover things that go against their preconceptions - and I don't think that's you. Have always read your posts with an open mind, and find your ideas insightful. Mea culpa

[betsuni]

45. I will tell you.

First, as usual, he claims to be the originator of $15 minimum wage, tuition free college, etc.

Nobody knew that student debt was a problem: "'Oh, Bernie, that can't be done.' Well, now you're hearing a whole lot of people understanding that it's an outrage."

First one to say health care is a human right: "'Oh, Bernie, that's not -- that's un-American. Nobody in America believes that.'"

Claims that people laughed when at a debate during the 2016 primaries he named climate change as the most important national security issue. (Nobody laughed, that's been debunked, don't know why he still repeats it.)

The main point: It's not good enough to talk about these policies, there must be a political revolution. He will "take on" Wall St., fossil fuel industries, military/prison industrial complex, insurance/drug companies, etc., by rallying the American people by the millions. "The ideas that I talk about are ideas that the American people want. They don't get it because you've got a Congress indebted to wealthy campaign contributors."

Rachel asks him what he would do first if he were president and Republicans still had the senate. Rallies! He will go to Kentucky, Mississippi, and South Carolina. "We will give Mitch McConnell something be cannot afford to refuse. And that is we're going to give him millions of people demanding he take action on the issues impacting the working class of this country." (Where will they all go to the bathroom?)

Climate change: He has a new climate change plan that will be the strongest of them all. "What it will do is essentially tell the fossil fuel industry that they cannot continue to destroy the planet for the sake of their short-term profits." And have rallies in other countries. Grassroots.

Age issue: "it's not good enough to say, 'Hey, I'm young, pass me the torch."

The End. Rallies.

[KitSileya]

7. Is that where he compares his candidacy to the candidacies of women,

as well as people of color, claiming he would also be shattering a glass ceiling if elected? Even though he entered politics 40+ years ago, and was elected over 30 years ago with no problems due to his person, only his politics?

[floppyboo]

10. context? Link?

Where did you get this information? IMO, he would be shattering a glass ceiling of sorts - shattering the myth that Americans don't want no socialist leaning leader, or god forbid, a peacenik.

Hey I'm a woman, but I don't think we 'own' that goal of glass ceiling shattering.

[KitSileya]

13. I saw it on twitter

but right after replying to this thread, I read an OP on it here on DU.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287197761

Old white men can shatter no glass ceilings in politics - there's been every iteration of them in power at one point or another. Women, other non-male genders, people of color of all genders, on the other hand? Glass ceilings shattered every day. After all, Senator Harris was only the second African American woman elected to the Senate - and she was elected in 2016! 30% of all the African American senators there have been are in the sitting Congress - all three of them.

[floppyboo]

20. absolutely not true

you wrote:
Old white men can shatter no glass ceilings in politics - there's been every iteration of them in power at one point or another.

This is an example of identity politics at its most dangerous extreme.

[dsc]

44. He would be the first Jewish President

now I admit that is less of a glass ceiling than being the first woman president or the first LGBT president but it is somewhat of a ceiling.

[Autumn]

15. No. Only in the mind of that Twit on Twitter.

[Nanjeanne]

25. I'm still trying to understand who that twit on twitter is and why anyone repeats her as if it's a

factual quote rather than a pointedly dishonest reinterpretation of a long detailed response to a question about his ageism.

[Autumn]

28. She hates Bernie. I doubt she needs any other qualifications, she posts

what haters want to hear. Probably a paid bot.

[Nanjeanne]

35. Its amazing that people one assumes to be thinking would bother posting these basically anonymous

twits. I get the craziness of Twitter & how easy it is to just retweet nonsense - but sad to see some prefer to believe nonsense just because it fits there bias.

[Autumn]

36. Believing nonsense is one thing. Pushing lies is entirely different and when it's been

shown to be a lie and is still pushed on a Democratic message board about a "Democratic" candidate that goes into troll territory.

[floppyboo]

27. I don't think 'glass ceiling' means the same thing for you and me

And if you understand it exclusively as something that inhibits people 'due to their person' versus 'due to their politics', then yes, I get where you are coming from.
And I get why that would trigger some resentment.
But you're talking about someone whose family fled Poland because of persecution of their person. I imagine some of that zeitgeist informs Sanders. Do you think that is reasonable?

[Vegas Roller]

39. THIS n/t

[silentEcho]

34. This is where so many of the base see Sanders is still blind with social justice.

That he doesn't get it. Sanders continually confirms what many believe.

[Vegas Roller]

40. He always turns any question to attacking the 1% n/t

[Uncle Joe]

37. That was a good interview,

I would encourage anyone to view the entirety.

Thanks for the thread floppyboo.

[Vegas Roller]

38. This is the 7th time this is being posted

[floppyboo]

41. I only posted this once - in the morning - and thanks for the boost!

There were no other posts with this vid in the OP on the first 2 pages that I could see, unless someone from my considerably long list of 'full ignore' posted it? Bye.

[Vegas Roller]

43. We know some people post the same thing over and over

thinking it will give their candidate a boost.