Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumButtiegieg surges into the lead latest Iowa Poll
primary Iowa
Jun 29-Jul 4, 2019
C+ Change Research
Buttigieg.. 25%
Warren.... 18%
Sanders... 16%
Biden...... 16%
Harris..... 16%
O'Rourke.. 2%
Buttigieg takes +7 lead
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/
My Disclaimer: This is an early poll. No single poll result should be over emphasized, especially this early.
Simply a stunning performance by Pete Buttigieg.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
madaboutharry
(40,212 posts)to the top.
Maybe people are beginning to pay attention. The next debate will be his opportunity to break out of the single digits nationally.
Mayor Buttigieg has so much to offer this country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)1. It's better than a sharp stick in the eye.
2. The trend is your friend.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)Of course a lot can change... but a month ago, who would have thought that Biden would ever poll that close to the danger zone?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)Buttigieg out fund raised Biden and everyone else this past quarter.
I expect to see Pete poll stronger nationally also. His is one of the campaigns to watch!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,408 posts)if he had the same amount of days.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,408 posts)Pete has already qualified for the next round anyway.
https://www.vox.com/2019/2/14/18225341/dnc-tom-perez-debates-2020-president
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(44,131 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)Where's the data that shows this poll is biased against Biden?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)campaign if that campaign's supporters are alerted, just like DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)Another possibility you might consider is that Biden's approval is actually dropping.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Not anywhere. Not even in Indiana.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluewater
(5,376 posts)The polls are what the polls are.
People trying to minimize a poll that reflects badly on their candidate is understandable, but ultimately pointless.
More polls will be coming, I am sure obvious trends in the standings will become very clear.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BootinUp
(47,165 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Harker
(14,024 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)Just as with a phone poll, you can choose to participate when asked, or not. You can't participate more than once, and you cannot volunteer to participate, you must be canvassed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)poll, my fellow Biden supporters can't call me up & tell me to go to xyz to participate in a "phone poll". Like I said, it operates on the same principle as "Please DU this poll".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)Hence the baboon in the gif ...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)There are polling organizations who send out emails to their subjects. A click on the email allows one to vote on whatever issue it is, but it is impossible to click to take it again because it's designed not to allow that.
I know the kind of poll you're referring to, but those are more like click bait than a poll. One can click until their fingers fall off.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:41 AM - Edit history (1)
Of course some are awful, but online doesn't mean they MUST be awful.
A proper online poll is just like a phone poll. Your fellow Biden supporters can't necessarily call you up and tell you to go to xyz.com to participate in an "online poll" either. The ones where they can are NOT polls that get C+ rated by 538.
Look at the ratings at https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
You'll find SOME online polls that even get A and B ratings (and some non-online polls that get D or F). As in the Princess Bride, that word does not mean what you think it means.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)Throw it on the average.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)There are "polls" like that (to use the word loosely), but 538 would not give those a C+! But the C+ rating does indicate that it is not among the most reliable, either. Ratings, what they're based on, and definitions of those things are at https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Case closed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,989 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,408 posts)It is a controlled group, NOT a random poll where anyone could just click on something as many times as they want. I see so many people react in such a way that as soon as 'online' is mentioned they have visions of all the dodgy 'have-a-go', 'vote as often as you can clear your cache' (if even that is needed, lol) push-pull 'polls' like Drudge and other sites (of all sorts of ideological bents) do.
Methodology
https://www.changeresearch.com/methodology-and-accuracy
We've conducted over 800 polls
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Multiple well rated, reputable polls are either all, or partially online. 538 needs to look at more Change Research Polls, they only looked at 7, and they (538) are way off on their (CR's) race prediction level and other things.
Change Research Accuracy
https://medium.com/change-research/change-research-accuracy-c4ce51a190cb
A Retrospective on the 2018 General Election
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We have some great stories to tell:
Change was the only pollster to show Andrew Gillum with a lead in the Florida Democratic primary
Change showed Kendra Horn ahead in OK-05 when virtually no one thought she had a chance
Changes polling showed Steve King and J.D. Scholten in a surprisingly tight race in Iowa.
But as data scientists, we know how important it is to look at every poll result not just a few standout numbers. The polling industry doesnt have a history of transparency around accuracy, and we hope to change that. Were serious about data, and were committed to continuous improvement as we build a technology that is as accurate as possible.
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Using a traditional accuracy metric the mean absolute difference between estimated and actual vote margin we erred by 5.3 percentage points on average for polls conducted in the 3 weeks before Election Day. For example, a race pegged by Change Research as 5545 in favor of the Democrat, where the actual outcome was 5248, would be considered a 6-point error (D+10 vs D+4).
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(43,408 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluewater
(5,376 posts)C+ is an "average" ish rating at predicting actual results. Other polls do better, others worse.
Please note that the OP gave 538's rating, C+, for the poll it presented.
Thanks for the discussion.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Aaron Pereira
(383 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Unless they make a mistake campaigning there.
They can help to make someone.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MissKat
(218 posts)And I think he could seriously take on Trump...
As could Warren, Harris, Castro, etc. We have some very heavy hitters and we need to be proud of each and every one of them.
this next debate is going to shake the tree. We'll see who is left. I think Pete B. will be among the top 6.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Because it's not viewed as truly reliable, just fyi.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
MBS
(9,688 posts)specifically, Morning Edition (?), on NPR, a few days ago, when a reporter mentioned that of all the candidates in Iowa, only THREE candidates left Iowans more excited about the candidates after they met them or heard them at an event than they were before they went: Booker, Buttigieg, and Warren ("especially Elizabeth Warren," the reporter said).
I did a lot of long-distance telephone campaigning with Iowa and New Hampshire voters in late fall 2003 and early winter 2004, and found myself in awe of Iowa voters (at least the Democrats!). They took their responsibility very seriously. I found them way more engaged than New Hampshire voters. "If all voters were as knowledgeable, responsible, and engaged as these Iowa voters," I thought to myself, "we wouldn't be having the problems we're having right now." (Little did I know at that point how much worse things would get later. ).
In an earlier report ( maybe at least a week earlier?)another Iowa-based reporter mentioned his anecdotal impression that Iowa voters were not that excited about Biden, and he expressed surprise that his numbers were still as high as they were in national polls.
Thus, I think that some of the discrepancy between these anecdotal reports + this single poll and other polls (aside from the inherent limitations of all polls and anecdotal reports) is that Iowa voters are paying more attention right now than most of the rest of the country.
Most importantly, it's still early days, and who knows what will happen next?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)South Carolina
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cosmocat
(14,565 posts)You can take a mulligan there if you perform well in Iowa/NH.
Also for his part, expectations are low enough that if he performs fairly well in Iowa/NH, he could finish well out of the top tier and get a moral W if he manages to outperform just a bit - 9% vs 5%, something along those lines.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
democrank
(11,096 posts)Im so glad he has come this far....this fast. People are beginning to notice what an exceptional candidate he is.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BigOleDummy
(2,270 posts)I've said all along that a Warren/Buttigieg ticket would be unstoppable and every day brings me more hope that this could actually be the case.
I like Mr. Biden well enough as anyone who has seen any of my posts knows but some of his supporters sure seem to have thin skins. I think they are starting to really worry.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)Pun intended!
All the haggling, the pissing and moaning, the trading of insults and accusations, belittling, demeaning... I, for one, have had my fill of it with 45!
It pains me to witness the spectacle of this "circular firing squad" every time I check DU. A fair and robust discourse, or a lively banter is one thing, but much of what I'm reading is far below that level.
Please, we must not let our passions eclipse our reason, sense of decency, and common cause. It is up to Democrats to save this country--for ourselves and our young ones.
The Balkanization of our party is precisely what Russia, the NRC, and the NRA smiles upon; and how appropriate that the GOP color is "red!"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue Owl
(50,420 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)but I'm not anti-Biden at all. I'm happy to see these poll numbers, but not because Biden is down.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Vegas Roller
(704 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
littlemissmartypants
(22,692 posts)Kicked and recommended.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden