Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBiden proposes massive new Obamacare subsidies, public option in health care plan
Mon July 15, 2019:
(CNN) Joe Biden is proposing massive new subsidies to make health coverage through Obamacare's exchanges cheaper -- as well as a new "public option" that would allow people to buy into a program his campaign says would be similar to Medicare.
The former vice president unveiled his health care plan Monday morning amid an escalating fight with his 2020 Democratic presidential foes as some more liberal candidates advocate enrolling all Americans in a national health plan, all but eliminating private health insurance.
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders is set to deliver a speech making his case for "Medicare for All" on Wednesday, according to his campaign. And California Sen. Kamala Harris, who has similarly backed a single-payer, government-run health program, teased the upcoming rollout of her plan in front of a crowd in New Hampshire on Sunday, too.
Biden, meanwhile, is pushing for a more moderate approach, built on former President Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act. "We should not be starting from scratch. We should be building from what we have. There's no time to wait," Biden told an audience in Dover, New Hampshire, on Friday.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/joe-biden-health-care-plan-obamacare-public-option/index.html
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And the battle to save the ACA is joined . . .
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Biden's new public option would automatically take the place of the Medicaid expansion in states that haven't expanded.
-- States that have expanded would have to keep paying their share of the bill for the expansion.
-- In other words, non-expansion states would get a better deal than those that participated in the expansion arguably, rewarding their resistance to the ACA.
This ain't it, Joe.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)But since those states have gone without the full benefit of the expansion at this point they'll need more help anyway don't you think?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Single payer healthcare (aka Medicare for All)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,760 posts)Joe Biden knows ACA is a BFD..
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Progressives Support Shoring Up ACA Before Tackling Medicare For All
Im happy to support any provision that strengthens the ACA and plug some of the gaps that were seeing, particularly as its under assault by the president, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told HuffPost on Wednesday. I think its part of a longer-term vision, at least for me, towards guaranteeing ― truly guaranteeing ― health care for all Americans.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142293852#top
Looks like the House Progressives are with former VP Joe Biden
Here's Beto..
Link to tweet
Mahalo, ucr!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)and good on Beto! Thanks Cha! !
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Biden-Beto 2020
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Cha
(297,760 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,760 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,801 posts)Thx Cha
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Cha
(297,760 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
This is the much more grounded approach to health care we need to carry into the 2020 elections!
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Cha
(297,760 posts)Thank You!
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onetexan
(13,066 posts)Joe is right, we shouldn't have to start from scratch. Rather we should make it better.
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Cha
(297,760 posts)plan all along! A strong foundation from which to grow..
Mahalo, onetexan!
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MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)But you can't/ shouldn't reward the non expansion states while leaving expansion states with higher costs. Maybe if the public option was phased into those states fairly quickly as well? I'm still in the camp that we won't get MFA done without a bridge. The reason i like where Harris, Warren, Sanders etc are coming from is by starting the process/negotiation from single payer, you have a better chance to land somewhere like this, instead of starting here and getting less.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)First, the devil is in the details and it's hard to make that kind of prediction, and secondly, it's not so much a case of rewarding red states (if it comes to that) as providing health care for people who desperately need it. So I don't think this will be a deal breaker.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)in place in states that did it, and do some form of public option in those that didn't as the substitute, there seems to be a great deal of built-in inequity in a system like that, or at least the potential for it. As you say, the details are important, so tough to judge at glance. But i desperately want us to end up with something akin to what Biden is proposing at a minimum, which leads me to prefer starting with a moon shot at MFA. Really, none of it matters unless you eliminate the filibuster anyway, but fun to discuss.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Still it seems like one of those details that can be worked out, whereas starting a whole new system would be a tough sell, not just on the cost but because the negative ad campaign would be hard to defeat and would play into Trump's reelection campaign. Basically he'd run on scary slogans that would be micro-targeted to independents 24/7 just like last time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)Knowing how they work, though, anything any dem runs on will be the worst combination of socialism and fascism the world has ever seen, blah, blah. Whomever our candidate is, we need to be prepared to back their plan. If it's Joe, I can gladly support this plan, while desiring a little clarification on how it'll work in state A vs state B.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hope all those who helped sink it and all the other planned improvements in 2016 remain wiser in 2020. The bipartisan commitment shown in the midterms was very encouraging.
At very best, another program would be an increment built on the start created by the ACA, but any of those would require years of delay to write, get passed, and then implement the roll-out to get one to where the ACA is now. Sanders estimated 5 years for that last alone.
Incredibly better to build on what is in place to go much farther much faster.
Of course, the Supreme Court's rulings on the cases intended to make the ACA unconstitutional at very least and all national healthcare programs at most will be a huge factor in the direction we take.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)The first 25 years would be spent in litigation, the second replacing all the hospitals, clinics and labs currently delivering employer-based health plans . . . and then we'd need another ACA to close all the loopholes in the new plan . . . meanwhile employers would scramble to replicate the benefit plans their employees were used to
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Forcing NO choice on all but those too wealthy to be affected? Stripping all rights to offer or receive potentially superior insurance as an employment benefit? Having no possible alternative option to go or compare to when Republican administrations cut benefits? It's unpassable.
No, it'd be one of the other proposals that best-selling new/old brand name, Medicare for All, has been tacked on.
"When someone tells you what he is, believe him."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Here's the basics from Wikipedia:
Single-payer healthcare is a type of universal healthcare[1] financed by taxes that covers the costs of essential healthcare for all residents, with costs covered by a single public system (hence 'single-payer').[2][3]
Single-payer systems may contract for healthcare services from private organizations (as is the case in Canada) or may own and employ healthcare resources and personnel (as is the case in the United Kingdom). "Single-payer" describes the mechanism by which healthcare is paid for by a single public authority, not the type of delivery or for whom physicians work, which may be public, private, or a mix of both.[4][5]
Single-payer healthcare systems pay for all covered healthcare-related services by a single government or government-related source.[6] It is a strategy employed by governments to achieve several goals, including universal healthcare, decreased economic burden of health care, and improved health outcomes for the population. Universal health care worldwide was established as a goal of the World Health Organization in 2010[7] and adopted by the United Nations General Assembly in 2015 for the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development.[8]
A single-payer health system establishes one health risk pool consisting of the entire population of a geographic or political region. It also establishes one set of rules for services offered, reimbursement rates, drug prices, and minimum standards for required services.[9]
In wealthy nations, that kind of publicly managed insurance is typically extended to all citizens and legal residents. Examples include the United Kingdom's National Health Service, Australia's Medicare, Canada's Medicare, and Taiwan's National Health Insurance.
Where did you get that we would have to replace hospitals?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(45,120 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)n/t
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emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)has had to privatize. Maybe better to look to Canada. As to a single payer system, fed-run in the U.S., the V.A.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)But you're right, there are plenty of single payer healthcare systems around the world that we can nick policy from.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Lancero
(3,015 posts)I forget, when was the first ACA lawsuit filed, and how many ACA related cases are STILL ongoing (read, tied up in litigation?)
It's disingenuous at best, and dishonest at worst, to claim MFA is bad compared to the ACA because 'years of lawsuits' when the the ACA is suffering from the exact same issue.
If you want to argue that a medical overhaul is bad because lawsuits, well... See the above. By that logic, the ACA is just as bad.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)That was in March: https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/436033-sanders-youre-damn-right-health-insurance-companies-should-be-eliminated
So: what if those organizations (and their clients) don't want to be eliminated? That's 25 years of litigation, give or take a decade, and no, the ACA did not attempt to eliminate private insurance so there's no comparison.
Now about the real estate: once you eliminate Kaiser Permanente et al., you are going to have to start over unless you ACTUALLY want to keep them in the mix, only under a different arrangement, in which case, you're talking about the ACA. But M4A as Bernie envisions it means a massive, massive federal investment to re-invent a massive, massive wheel. Which is completely
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,043 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)Everything else is just slogans
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Politicub
(12,165 posts)The ACA is our best hope for increasing access to care and reducing costs. And the public option is a path to single payer.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MineralMan
(146,336 posts)And that's very important in the immediate future. Trump has crippled the ACA, through Executive Orders and the courts. What he has harmed can be reversed in the same way.
We cannot have a breakdown of healthcare while a completely different system is created and installed. Too many people would die from lack of healthcare in the meantime.
So, Biden's plan would be the most effective, I think, and would protect people better than an undefined MfA plan that would need to be developed and passed in Congress. A transitional period is needed, not a sudden change of direction.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,243 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
msongs
(67,453 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)K&R
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lithos
(26,404 posts)However, that's the end state. What Biden is offering is not that. Bernie's plan won't work without a lot of thrash that needs to be managed. I could see Biden's plan as a transition to Single Payer thru a gradual expansion of Medicare.
L-
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
FloridaBlues
(4,008 posts)To start the change we need in HC. I agree with his plan. Over all HC systems is hugh trying to change this I'll take smart steps to making it better.
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Thekaspervote
(32,801 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,418 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden