Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumLet's play the dropout/endorsement game.
Just to kill a little time until next weeks debates, I thought we could speculate.
Lets say that the current top 5 (Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris, Mayor Pete) remains that way until the voting begins in Iowa.
And lets say that the next 5 dont break 2-3% in polling through November and decide to drop out before Iowa and endorse someone in the Top 5.
Who would these five people endorse: Beto, Booker, Klobuchar, Castro, Gabbard.
My guesses are:
Beto - Pete
Booker - Warren
Klobuchar - Biden
Castro - Harris
Gabbard - Sanders
Bonus points if you want to guess on any of the 1%ers endorsements.
Ill throw in Gillibrand-Harris.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
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nomination. and maybe not even until there is a clear winner.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,996 posts)if they back the wrong horse.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Booker, Beto, Klobuchar and Castro are redoubtable people and viable candidates who'll be in the next debates and whose campaigns could take off at any time. Imo, Gabbard was always a no-go and doesn't belong on a list with the others.
Rather than spinning some of our better candidates as losers months before any leave, I'd rather play this game with a good number for whom that's not going to happen.
So, agree with Gabbard - Sanders, probably a no-brainer.
Btw, would I be right in guessing that, since most of the bottom-tier candidates don't have much in the way of voter influence to offer and it would dissipate quickly after leaving, those might tend to endorse early, while more powerful candidates (who again aren't leaving now) would endorse much later, after discussions and negotiations with the leading candidate(s)?
I remember, for instance, that powerful non-candidate Elizabeth Warren couldn't/wouldn't endorse Sanders in 2016, although he reportedly approached her a number of times throughout 2015-2016, and Gov. O'Malley never gained steam, so Hillary must have been her choice very early, but she didn't announce her endorsement until quite late.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)As an aside does anyone else think John Delaney reminds them of a neoliberal Homer Simpson?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(89,279 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hmmm, strange thought. Homer's a Trumpster, but a Kochster?
Senator Bennet is a moderate liberal, which means somewhere in the middle of the liberal left, and has the record, analyzed by professionals, to prove it. He is far to the left of any Republican senator, and to Mr. Simpson.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michael_bennet/412330
Neoliberalism is a very confused-use word, so really good for confounding understanding. It's most commonly used here as a far-left slur on everyone who supports continuation of capitalism, and some even believe it. Scoundrels find it so useful for disinformation, of course, because a word most applicable to ruthlessly exploitative RW economics has the word "liberal" in it and most people don't know enough to catch on to the trick.
But here's a modern definition of neoliberalism that could cut through the confusion and make us all less vulnerable to manipulation. Note, it emphatically describes today's extremist RW economics, which are antithetical to the liberalism that dominates the Democratic Party, and Senator Bennet.
Although the terms are similar, neoliberalism is distinct from modern liberalism. ...
https://www.britannica.com/topic/neoliberalism
To put it mildly!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mtnsnake
(22,236 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)and if he is not the nominee he will work for whoever it is to beat Trump
It's also highly unlikely that the majority of Beto supporters would switch to Buttigieg. For the primary I'm voting for Beto and only Beto, even if I have to write him in. If I had to choose someone else it would be Biden because I think he is the only other one besides Beto who can beat Trump. I know Biden won't take Texas like Beto would but he might be able to get the rust belt back. I think Beto could get that area back as well. Buttigieg is just too weak with black voters, Harris, Warren and Sanders will do well in states that Hillary won but will struggle in battleground states because they are just more liberal than middle and southern America. That leaves Biden and Beto. Biden may lose some progressives as well. I think Beto has the best ability to bring in new first time voters and volunteers as well as keeping progressives without scaring off moderates. Beto can also bring in more Independents and Republicans than most other candidates can.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,996 posts)According to this poll, as of last month, Biden beats Trump in Texas, but Beto loses. This was before the debates, and Biden has generally gone down since then... but Beto hasn't come up. So at this point, Biden is still probably the best bet for Texas.
https://poll.qu.edu/texas/release-detail?ReleaseID=2625
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Texas has an open primary, so Independents and Republicans can vote too. People canvassing are consistently hearing either Trump or Beto as who they support and Beto is up 38% over Trump (even with Republicans and Independents). This canvassing is being done not just of Democratic voters but ALL voters. None of the other candidates (even Castro) are getting any significant mentions at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)voters to cross in large numbers and try to take out our best chance? Then of course vote for Trump in the GE?
In the 2016 primaries, spoiler voting was so bad Pew had to break voter data down for all candidates into into genuine and total votes. It was a huge factor in Sanders' unexpected wins. I remember WV because, although it has a closed primary, a lot of its conservatives are registered Democrat but have a long tradition of voting with the Republicans for president. It was so bad there that a pair of exit polls showed that 37% of Sanders voters at one precinct and 44% at another found being asked if they'd vote for Sanders in the GE amusing; Trump was their man.
This will be repeated wherever possible in 2020, absolutely in Texas and probably in even larger numbers since Trump's already their nominee.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)And over 500k Republicans voted for Beto over Cruz while still voting for the Republican governor. Texas knows and trusts Beto. Biden would fare better than Castro, but no other Democrat can touch Beto for turnout and votes in Texas. He got more than both Hillary and Obama. Anyone writing him off is being extremely foolish.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Remember, conservatives have been ardently voting against wicked Democrats and our wicked liberalism, and now socialism, that threatens to destroy our nation. Most will continue to pour out to vote against us regardless of Trump's popularity.
If Beto were the national primary frontrunner next year, we would expect large numbers of TX cons to vote for his strongest competitor. If Beto were the strongest competitor, this of course would give him a lift, the Republicans hoping to move him past the frontrunner and give him TX's delegates. The Sanders effect.
Which, of course, will again be augmented not just by the Russians and RW domestic powers, but also the Chinese, Iranians, and others inspired by Russia's success. Big players on our board these days: who will they try to use to reelect Trump and Republican majorities?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)They are terrified of him because they know he is the only Democrat running who can lead a nationwide movement that their manipulation and meddling can't touch. That's why he needs to be the nominee. He has the ability to change things in not just the national race but downticket in red states. He is able to not just win over voters but inspire and motivate volunteers who spread his message even further.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and are trying to manipulate this very fluid situation so that ultimately we pass on our strongest candidate(s) to nominate a weaker and/or badly damaged one. They're setting the propaganda foundation for all candidates who may become our nominee to be turned into the next Hillary or Franken. We're their big target, and they get us by destroying our belief and conviction in ourselves, in our best candidates, and in the ability of our party to overcome them.
Also understand that the Republican leaders, their leaders, and Russia's are not exactly easily "terrified," not of our candidates or anything else. They're enormously powerful and know how to defeat us by turning us against our own candidates, and they are busy at work at just that. Their time to be "terrified" will come if they fail badly and we spit in their faces by giving the Democratic Party the power to seriously hurt them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,996 posts)...that Biden is weaker. So even if you're right that Beto beats Trump, I think the poll fairly still says that Biden beats Trump as well. So then maybe we have two candidates that can flip TX.
Of course, a lot can change between now and primary day, or election day.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Texas has an open primary and Beto won Independents and got over half a million Republicans. Biden won't have that same support from Independents and Republicans that Beto does. That's why Beto is the only one who can beat Trump in Texas. He already has state wide organization with a volunteer army, too.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Canvassing for who?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Indygram
(2,113 posts)Asking who people are voting for. They are consistently seeing the same thing regardless of the political party of the house (Rep, Ind, Dem are all being talked to) and Beto has the highest percentage then undecided and then Trump. Other Democrats are hardly mentioned. The percentage of people who commit to voting for Beto is higher than those who commit to voting for Trump. The canvassing is showing that in a general election Texans' first choice is Beto by a high margin and undecided barely over Trump for second and third choice. Almost no mention of other Democrats at all. This is why I keep saying if Beto is the nominee he will deliver Texas and it's 38 electoral votes. Without Texas Trump has no path.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)Canvasing for who?
Do you have the results from the people doing the canvassing? You are talking about them as if they are pollsters.
People don't walk up to doors, ask who the person is voting for, and walk away.
"The percentage of people who commit to voting for Beto is higher than those who commit to voting for Trump."
What are the percentages? I haven't seen the data?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided