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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 08:59 PM Jul 2019

Sanders campaign accuses Biden of 'continued lies' about 'Medicare for All'

Sen. Bernie Sanders' (I-Vt.) presidential campaign slammed former Vice President Joe Biden on Wednesday for "continued lies" about Medicare for All.

"Thank you, Joe Biden, for crediting our campaign for honesty," senior advisor Jeff Weaver said in a statement. "I'm sorry we can't return the favor. Your continued use of the same insurance company scare tactics that were used against the Affordable Care Act is truly disheartening."

"The real questions to be asked are about Joe Biden's pro-industry plan: Where is Joe Biden going to get the billions he's suggesting in new subsidies that will go into the pockets of drug company and insurance company executives? Why is Joe Biden leaving over 10 million people uninsured? Why is Joe Biden not willing to say every person should be able to see any doctor or health professional they choose?" Weaver said Wednesday.

The former vice president has proposed expanding the ACA while offering a government-run “public option” and allowing people to keep their private insurance if they so choose, while Sanders has said his plan would eliminate private insurance.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/454632-sanders-campaign-accuses-biden-of-continued-lies-about-medicare-for-all

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Sanders campaign accuses Biden of 'continued lies' about 'Medicare for All' (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Jul 2019 OP
Would Bernie be allowed to post here? He seems to go after Democrats. I almost said other dem4decades Jul 2019 #1
What's amazing is he was bragging about being the "first" to sign the Pledge, and nagging..... George II Jul 2019 #7
I think he thought he'd do better than he is when he did sign it. Amimnoch Jul 2019 #27
Defending Oneself Against Lies Is Not A Pledge Violation corbettkroehler Jul 2019 #29
Calling a difference of opinion a "lie" does break the Pledge. George II Jul 2019 #30
Check Your Thesaurus corbettkroehler Jul 2019 #33
I was really missing Jeff Weaver, lol. Is he unaware that Biden is pro-ACA? emulatorloo Jul 2019 #2
Jeff Weaver - I've had seven root canals, would rather an eighth than see Weaver again. George II Jul 2019 #15
Get the nitrous. Root canals are a joy. (Except for the bill.) n/t thesquanderer Jul 2019 #19
They're really not as bad as the stories about them. I had little trouble, except for one.... George II Jul 2019 #31
Jeff Weaver?! Wasn't he kicked to the curb after top management R B Garr Jul 2019 #3
Maybe Me. Jul 2019 #4
maybe that's why they couldn't pay those others JI7 Jul 2019 #6
There's A Thought Me. Jul 2019 #8
It does make you wonder if Weaver had to fight as hard for R B Garr Jul 2019 #17
That is truly sad, and sad our Democrats get attacked by him... R B Garr Jul 2019 #10
THey're Making The Bed Me. Jul 2019 #11
He's on a pace to earn about a quarter of a million dollars as a "senior adviser"..... George II Jul 2019 #9
Ah, Those lucrative media buy commissions again. Weaver is the 1%'er R B Garr Jul 2019 #14
I'm Sure Biden's Senior Advisors Go To Bed Dying Of Hunger (n/t) corbettkroehler Jul 2019 #25
Biden hasn't had a problem with paying his lower level staffers a "living wage". His minimum.... George II Jul 2019 #26
Once Again, You Failed To Address My Response - I Referred To A Post About Weaver corbettkroehler Jul 2019 #35
It's an ages old trick. Blue_true Jul 2019 #20
It would behoove BS to think about this. A difference of OPINION isn't a "LIE"! George II Jul 2019 #5
Team BS must think accusing Cha Jul 2019 #12
It's the effect of Nina Turner and David Sirota. George II Jul 2019 #13
Yes, that's why he hired them Cha Jul 2019 #18
He has even pulled the stake out of Jeff Weaver's heart and brought him back into the fray. Blue_true Jul 2019 #21
Oh that's right.. that's why Cha Jul 2019 #22
Was also the first to break the Unity Pledge, too. George II Jul 2019 #23
Right on schedule. Cha Jul 2019 #24
Actually, You're Right. However, Deliberately Misstating FACTS Is A Lie corbettkroehler Jul 2019 #32
Here we go again Vegas Roller Jul 2019 #16
Sanders would eliminate private insurance. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #28
let's go Joe ! stonecutter357 Jul 2019 #34
 

dem4decades

(11,296 posts)
1. Would Bernie be allowed to post here? He seems to go after Democrats. I almost said other
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:02 PM
Jul 2019

Democrats, my bad.

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George II

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7. What's amazing is he was bragging about being the "first" to sign the Pledge, and nagging.....
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:16 PM
Jul 2019

...everyone else to sign it too.

Funny thing - first to sign, first to break the Pledge.

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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
27. I think he thought he'd do better than he is when he did sign it.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:34 PM
Jul 2019

His mistake.

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corbettkroehler

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29. Defending Oneself Against Lies Is Not A Pledge Violation
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:38 PM
Jul 2019

We can quibble about what will happen during the Medicare For All transition period but what definitely WON'T happen will be benefit cuts for seniors on the existing program. They will see their benefits expand by a YUGE drop in prescription prices through bulk purchasing, like the Veterans Administration already does, on top of the inclusion of auditory, dental and vision care.

http://huffpost.com/entry/biden-mimics-gop-medicare-for-all_n_5d30d289e4b020cd9940ca6b



If that column from HuffPost didn't convince you, try the video.


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George II

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30. Calling a difference of opinion a "lie" does break the Pledge.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:44 PM
Jul 2019

The fact is, the way BS' plan is structured (from what little details we have), people will lose their coverage. Plus it doesn't get into the disparity of coverage between his "Medicare for All" and some private insurance plans, which he'll ban.

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corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
33. Check Your Thesaurus
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:56 PM
Jul 2019

A difference of opinion relates to implementation. For example: some automakers refer to a popular color of paint for automobiles as "silver". I always call it "gray". Who's right? It's a difference of opinion.

Sidestep the numerous facts in my previous reply if you wish. However, those of us interested in actually winning the nomination and general by providing coverage for all Americans know that bicameral legislation to cover everyone equals the fact that "everyone" means "everyone". That's not an opinion.

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emulatorloo

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2. I was really missing Jeff Weaver, lol. Is he unaware that Biden is pro-ACA?
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:02 PM
Jul 2019

"I'm sorry we can't return the favor. Your continued use of the same insurance company scare tactics that were used against the Affordable Care Act is truly disheartening."

Bernie 2016 supporter here. Weaver never bothered to expand Bernie’s base beyond his core supporters. He just threw out hot-headed “red meat” to people who already supported Bernie. Pretty bad strategy for a campaign manager imho.

I thought it was a good strategy that the Sanders campaign was keeping Weaver in the background this time. He’s a good friend to Bernie, but not great when it comes to doing what would help Bernie expand his base and win the nomination.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
15. Jeff Weaver - I've had seven root canals, would rather an eighth than see Weaver again.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:32 PM
Jul 2019
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thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
19. Get the nitrous. Root canals are a joy. (Except for the bill.) n/t
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:45 PM
Jul 2019
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George II

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31. They're really not as bad as the stories about them. I had little trouble, except for one....
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:46 PM
Jul 2019

....where the Novocaine didn't "take", the dentist yanked the nerve out in one piece with no anesthetic.

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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
3. Jeff Weaver?! Wasn't he kicked to the curb after top management
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:03 PM
Jul 2019

in Sanders’ 2016 campaign were implicated in abuses towards women... ugh

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
4. Maybe
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:11 PM
Jul 2019

but now he's the highest-paid member of the campaign.

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JI7

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6. maybe that's why they couldn't pay those others
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jul 2019
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Me.

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8. There's A Thought
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:18 PM
Jul 2019
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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
17. It does make you wonder if Weaver had to fight as hard for
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:34 PM
Jul 2019

his compensation package as the 99% in Bernie’s campaign. Good point.

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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
10. That is truly sad, and sad our Democrats get attacked by him...
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:21 PM
Jul 2019

again.

On another note, the comment section is brutal! They have totally nailed this campaign. Oh my!

edit-darn phone typing ...

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
11. THey're Making The Bed
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:22 PM
Jul 2019

Now they'll have to sleep on it.

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George II

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9. He's on a pace to earn about a quarter of a million dollars as a "senior adviser".....
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:18 PM
Jul 2019

Not to mention any media buy commissions.

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R B Garr

(16,954 posts)
14. Ah, Those lucrative media buy commissions again. Weaver is the 1%'er
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:31 PM
Jul 2019

in Sanders campaign. The hypocrisy is astounding. Wish we could finally find out about Old Towne Media.

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corbettkroehler

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25. I'm Sure Biden's Senior Advisors Go To Bed Dying Of Hunger (n/t)
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:17 PM
Jul 2019
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George II

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26. Biden hasn't had a problem with paying his lower level staffers a "living wage". His minimum....
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:28 PM
Jul 2019

....is $48,000 per year. Sanders' minimum, up until a day or two ago and after all the negative press, was $36,000.

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corbettkroehler

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35. Once Again, You Failed To Address My Response - I Referred To A Post About Weaver
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 02:11 PM
Jul 2019

I didn't mention rank-and-file staffers. I mentioned senior advisors. I defy you to tell me that Biden's senior advisors start at $48k.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
20. It's an ages old trick.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:52 PM
Jul 2019

When you are bleeding out, bring a vampire back into the mix to fix you. Weaver is going to kill Bernie's campaign faster, Bernie seems to be ok with that risk.

I would not be surprised to see Bernie go scortched earth on Elizabeth Warren next week.

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George II

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5. It would behoove BS to think about this. A difference of OPINION isn't a "LIE"!
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:13 PM
Jul 2019

He's third or fourth in most polls, he's getting desperate. He's even floundering in third in his assumed wheelhouse, New Hampshire.

Most people like Biden's plan vs. the still unspecified "Medicare for All".

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Cha

(297,285 posts)
12. Team BS must think accusing
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:23 PM
Jul 2019

Biden of Lying makes them look tough so they can pass Biden in the polls.

BS was first in the polls until Biden made his Brilliant launch vid.

Now.. where is he?

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George II

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13. It's the effect of Nina Turner and David Sirota.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:25 PM
Jul 2019
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Cha

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18. Yes, that's why he hired them
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:41 PM
Jul 2019

and had the nerve to brag about being the first one to sign the Unity Pledge.

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Blue_true

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21. He has even pulled the stake out of Jeff Weaver's heart and brought him back into the fray.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:57 PM
Jul 2019

So much for the women that suffered in his 2016 campaign.

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Cha

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22. Oh that's right.. that's why
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:04 PM
Jul 2019

Weaver stepped down but not out.

Wow.. talk about desperation.

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George II

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23. Was also the first to break the Unity Pledge, too.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:18 PM
Jul 2019
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Cha

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24. Right on schedule.
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:36 PM
Jul 2019
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corbettkroehler

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32. Actually, You're Right. However, Deliberately Misstating FACTS Is A Lie
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jul 2019

The false claims of loss of benefits not only attacks Sanders but Gillibrand, who wrote that section of the Senate version of the Medicare For All legislation, and Warren, who stated her support for the bill, along with several other members of both chambers of Congress.

A difference of opinion would be whether a single-payer system should be created from scratch or by expanding Medicare to include everyone. We had that discussion in the 2008 primary.

Oh, and, by the way, Obama supports single-payer.


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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
16. Here we go again
Wed Jul 24, 2019, 09:33 PM
Jul 2019

A non-Democrat attacking a lifelong Democrat over President Obama's signature achievement.

Divisive tactics.

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Everyman Jackal

(271 posts)
28. Sanders would eliminate private insurance.
Thu Jul 25, 2019, 12:35 PM
Jul 2019

Why?

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