Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumHmmmm.. how will some of those who spent 40 minutes attacking the most popular Democratic
President living.. or probably who ever lived.. (96% of Democrats.. it just does not get any better than that..).. and lets just say they (the attackers) get the nomination.. how in the hell do they then turn to the Obama people to come and back them up in the election etc.. (not that they wouldn't.. the Obama's would stand up for any Democrat.) and think about how the republicans are going to use this against any Democratic nominee.. how the party candidates ran against him.. I am just stunned at how stupid that was and is..
Stupid, stupid, stupid
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,379 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,879 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trump wins.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DENVERPOPS
(8,845 posts)This whole thing is being run like Trump TV shows, apprentice, etc etc etc
It must thrill the Repubs to no end to see this charade on parade in front of national TV Democratic watchers.
It is beyond pathetic...........
I love the way they do the heavy lifting for the Repubs by letting them tear each other down. This provides the Repub with serious talking points against whomever wins the nomination. Being from Colorado, the fact that Hickenlooper or Bennet are even included in this travesty is a complete joke.......this applies to at least about 8-10 others up there on the stage.
I honestly think that the Repubs are going to get every last diversion out of Trump's daily antics, continuing to shove everything they hope to accomplish through while everyone's attention is focused daily on Trump. At the last minute the Repubs will impeach Trump, get Pence in there and run a pathetic lap poodle VP with him. Then they can tell their wavering supporters: "Look we saw the problem, came right in and took care of the problem and we are back to the Good Ol' GOP with great True Republicans that you all can feel good about voting for........."
When they spring this plan on Trump, they hopefully will have already moved the "football" out of Trump's reach and notified the military commanders not to obey any orders by Trump. They will also have to have the Secret Service clued to this so they can get ready to deal with Master Trump when he TOTALLY flips out.........
Narcistic Tyrants have a tendency to pay everyone back who is against them with some grandiose horrific actions...........Especially the Republicans who would have engineered the whole thing and spring it on him without warning with out any drawn out delays.....
They will also need to remove him from the public so he doesn't spill information on the large mass of Republican Politicians that have also been aiding the Russians, voting for anything that Putin wants and taking tons of money from the Russians, funneled thru the NRA.
AND Remember they will still have all the Judges they have appointed in place, all the Republicans in the Senate in place, all the advisers they have appointed in place, all the cabinet members in place, all the Supreme Court Justices in place, and all the de-regulation and changes in laws in place.............WASF
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,723 posts)supporters vote in the primaries, too.. so I gotta ask myself.. why are they shutting that door? For what?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,879 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)them doing that as a way to bring down Biden.. !
The Twilight Zone.. I tell ya!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)bidens answer should of been, the Obama administration concentrated on deporting undocumented who had committed crimes.....
which is what Obama did and I have no problem with
instead biden misspoke saying Obama protected dreamers with the law.. when he didn't...he did it by executive order, which isn't as permanent
between that and biden not understanding the dif between a website and a phone text...he had another rough night
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,723 posts)did good on the whole.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)take it up a notch
both the mistakes I sighted were easy to prepare for
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,723 posts)debates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)people on du are pretty well informed but most people stay away from politics completely and if they bother to vote at all it will be because of some sound bite that caught their attention
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(297,723 posts)voting is in.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)from the first round. I admit that I didn't watch either. As evidenced by the post debate polling, the debates aren't having the effect some would like. Biden still has a commanding lead, mistakes and all. People are looking for someone who can beat Trump, and that continues to be Joe Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)trump has a knack for taking a tiny slip up and making the person seem addled
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)tinguish between those coming in legally, as asylum seekers, those here for years whom Obama wanted to give a path to citizenship and those who do not observe any process, which is unfair to
the people who do.
He need not answer for Obama. Let those desperados take their case directly to Obama to try to
score.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
questionseverything
(9,661 posts)The Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (full name: Secure Borders, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Reform Act of 2007 (S. 1348)) was a bill discussed in the 110th United States Congress that would have provided legal status and a path to citizenship for the approximately 12 million illegal immigrants residing in the United States. The bill was portrayed as a compromise between providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants and increased border enforcement: it included funding for 300 miles (480 km) of vehicle barriers, 105 camera and radar towers, and 20,000 more Border Patrol agents, while simultaneously restructuring visa criteria around high-skilled workers. The bill also received heated criticism from both sides of the immigration debate. The bill was introduced in the United States Senate on May 9, 2007, but was never voted on, though a series of votes on amendments and cloture took place. The last vote on cloture, on June 7, 2007, 11:59 AM, failed 3461 effectively ending the bill's chances. A related bill S. 1639, on June 28, 2007, 11:04 AM, also failed 4653.
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of coarse he has to defend obamas record ,since he as the vp shares it
and I feel obamas record is fairly easy to defend, biden just needs to be lil quicker or maybe take a breath and get his talking points right
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)DACA, which Biden mentioned. Yeah, he could have been more clear, as they all could have been at times. But the questioner went from baiting him to defend Obamas deportations quickly into asking if he, Biden, had tried to stop them.
Biden has always given strong defense of and loyalty to Obama. So he wasnt prepared for Democratic rivals to attack Obama and bait him into second-guessing him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zambero
(8,971 posts)simply stands on its own as being such with no plausible explanation. This is a classic case in point.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
believe we're here!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,879 posts)for the 2020 election..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Racist Ronnie!
They could fly the stars and bars at Racist Ronnie's library.
Can't blame Alzheimer's for that!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)The man was obviously either racist or happy to pander to racists. Now, we know he was both.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)Or anywhere else.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,847 posts)The all were supportive of Joe.
Hes still the most qualified and the world knows it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Guilded Lilly
(5,591 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jimlup
(7,968 posts)that the mainstream dems can dish it out but can't take it? Why wouldn't the Biden supporters support whomever the Democratic nominee is to defeat tRump?
It is expected of everyone else to the point of ridicule but it doesn't go both ways?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
hlthe2b
(102,379 posts)You may have (seeming) contempt for Obama, but 97% of Dems DO NOT. He laid the foundation upon which every single one of these candidates will need to build, no matter how much structural change they have in mind.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
theaocp
(4,245 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)the presidency in 08, but instead of beatings...they stuck together and made a comeback...some in this party need to knock off attacking other Democrats period...they only help Republicans.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WA-03 Democrat
(3,055 posts)My personal feelings are Biden supporters are pragmatic and will support the Democratic nominee whoever that is. I think we have great candidates.
Attacking Obama is different than attacking Biden. Yes, I do love Obama!
I hope Biden wins because I think he would do the best job and would win the WI, MI and PA. Maybe even OH. If its Warren, then great!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jimlup
(7,968 posts)and attempting to tie Biden to it. Since Obama wasn't there it certainly was a different game. However, we've all made mistakes in the past. They were going after those in a strategic way. Personally, I disagreed with several of Obama's decisions.
Still, at some level, I agree with you. He certainly was the best president in my adult lifetime. Perhaps it was naive of them to that route but with so many candidates in the field they are seeking to distinguish their positions. We'll have to see how it plays out. I'm hopeful that should a Warren or Booker end up the Nominee, all or almost all of the Biden people will be on board. But Biden does have to figure out how to defend his position with regard to the Obama legacy. Trump will be on it like a laser and you know that well already.
The process is a bit painful. And, I'm with you in being frightened that we must at some point become one and really figure out how to get rid of the dangerous orange clown occupying the White House right now.
Perhaps we all need to settle down a touch. Let's see where the August polling takes us. I think it will be interesting. After all, in a democracy - it is suppose to be the people, not the politicians, nor their campaigns - who get to decide.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)with positions that will not work in Blue Wall states.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
calimary
(81,509 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BannonsLiver
(16,470 posts)People here trying to downplay what was said and frame the attacks as something different than what they were.
There are a few people here who still have a bee in their berets and bonnets about Obama, for whatever reason. Mostly I guess because they didnt get the magical unicorn show pony they wanted when he was president and fighting GOP obstruction at every turn.
You know what? Tough shit.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)I have not watched the debates, though I have a friend who fills me in word for word lol. But this is why I just cannot watch. Dems attacking Dems. No thanks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,470 posts)Set up questions to get the candidates to fight each other and bizarre WWE style introductions. Its a shit show.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
marieo1
(1,402 posts)I will NOT vote for ANYONE that attacks another democrat!!! The main thing all of them needs to do is BEAT THE REPUBLICANS. Not attack each other. Tell us what YOU are going to do to fix our government. And.............as far as VP Biden is concerned, he is a national hero - QUIT ATTACKING HIM!! If they haven't anything better to run on than running down another democrat, they better stay home!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pazzyanne
(6,558 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)He won't have any problem attacking Trump, though. I'm sure he hates what that Bozo says and does each day.
Two, they are making Biden pay for bills he passed or helped pass years ago. The scene changes over the years and laws are changed. They say Biden is slow on the uptake, well...I'll just bet some of the accusers can't remember what they said/did 30-50 years ago. Particularly when opponents are yelling at you from all sides. Was that a planned attack(s)?
It just grinds the chalkboard for me when he is attacked and particularly makes me mad to find out the attack was pre-planned, not spontaneous, to do so. Biden isn't an enemy of other candidates for heaven's sake.
As for Obama, I had to pick my jaw up off the floor at some of those comments. Trump is going to use each and every one of those comments in the campaign debates and GOP ads...they were just feeding him lines.
Wake up and engage your brain before your mouths, folks. Last night, I was able to file away some of the candidates as no longer relevant. It isn't Biden or Obama's fault that you are polling low or starting to lose ground. Get real!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
marieo1
(1,402 posts)I will NOT vote for ANYONE that attacks another democrat!!! The main thing all of them needs to do is BEAT THE REPUBLICANS. Not attack each other. Tell us what YOU are going to do to fix our government. And.............as far as VP Biden is concerned, he is a national hero - QUIT ATTACKING HIM!! If they haven't anything better to run on than running down another democrat, they better stay home!!
And...........as far as President Obama is concerned, he did a wonderful job even tho, the republicans would not work with him at all and vetoed everything. President Obama fought them every inch of the way. He held his head up high and still did a lot despite the negative republicans that would not support him at all.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skya Rhen
(2,701 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Attacking Biden's Senate votes has zero to do with Obama. I felt CNN brought much of this on with a series of gotcha questions but the candidates didn't have to take the bait.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
lark
(23,158 posts)Sickening.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Blue American
(17,989 posts)And turned it off about half way through. Everyone I talked with this morning did the same.
But it did solidify who I Can not back, so there is that.
Screeching, attacking does not work with me. I saw 3 or 4 adults there last night.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,276 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,696 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Helped me decide who I'm not voting for in the primary.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
gordianot
(15,245 posts)At this point the VP position would be sketchy. That said any of the people on stage would would be a vast improvement over the total disaster we suffer through everyday.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)Between the Party leadership and the candidates.
I doubt many of last night's participants would have made it through this forum without getting alerted on or tombstoned...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Grins
(7,234 posts)I'm still made at then-Senate candidate (v. McConnell) Alison Lundergan Grimes refused to say whether she voted for President Obama. Over health care!!
I'm still made at Al Gore for abandoning Bill Clinton when his popularity was in the 60's!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
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BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Lets face it, there are only so many Democratic A level political strategists for hire. After the top 5 candidates have hired the best - you get the leftovers - political hacks who think attacking President Obama is a good idea. The bottom tier candidates should ask for their money back after getting shit advice like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Let's just give Trump the election with a bow wrapped around it. The republican ads coming out of last night are staggering.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lytex59
(18 posts)Last night's debate left me angry. To defeat the worst president in our history, all the Democrats have to do is show up, act respectful of one another and debate to the best of their abilities the issues that are undermining our democracy. Instead, those who are consumed with ambition have reached back decades to find something that will hurt or embarrass their opponents. Those irresponsible candidates are turning off voters--literally snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. How very stupid and immature. We deserve better.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bluecollar2
(3,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,123 posts)to take on the Racist-in-Chief... that's how primaries work!
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)fifty years ago, he certainly has a right to refer to the eight years that he served in the Obama
administration where he was responsible for far more duties than most VPs in recent history.
Biden envy and desperation to score a hit are not good reasons to try to get at Biden by throwing
Obama under the bus. Shame on those who did.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Harris and Booker.
Seriously, were other candidates criticiz- excuse me, attacking Obama/Obama admin; or is this, like almost anything that can be used to suggest and hopefully generate strife, being grossly overstated?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pisces
(5,602 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MadDAsHell
(2,067 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Tarheel_Dem
(31,241 posts)this was a good idea. I love and miss PBO more than ever, and anyone trashing him can kiss my a**.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Peacetrain
(22,879 posts)by attacking President Obama.. Stupid does not even begin to explain it.. The man took us out of the great recession.. nothing as bad since the depression.. put us on the road to recovery.. everywhere.. jobs 200,000 plus.. even the deficit started going down.. not to mention Health Care that Roosevelt could not do.. and that is the person they want to attack.. God save us if they get in office
And may I add his VP.. Joe Biden.. put all the work into getting Detroit back on track.. and pushed the envelope so for equal marriage.. I sit and think about it and get myself so worked up I could cry
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,619 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,842 posts)Going after Obama and extending the meme that Barack Obama's Administration was naive and/or too cautious to push "big ideas,' particularly in the atmosphere we're experiencing at the moment? Borders on suicidal madness. And political malfeasance.
President Obama's approval numbers are off the charts with Democratic voters. Our own base, people we need to come out in droves to vote in 2020, love and respect President Obama, deeply yearn for a sense of normalcy, a return to the calmness of a POTUS who steered us away from the cliffs of economic ruin to mention only one disaster dumped on the man's plate. And whatever the challenge was, whether you agree with the end result or not, the man always acted with dignity and grace and honor.
So yes, this whole scenario simply plays into Trump's hand who couldn't ask for a better gift--talking about Barack Obama rather than his own incompetence, corruption and thug-like behavior.
Dumb and dumber.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,645 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden