Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumThe Madness of Democratic Candidates Trying to Cancel Obama
First of all: Did this second round of debates change anything? Maybe. Well see the polls starting over the weekend but earth-shaking change seems unlikely; ratings seems to have been really low (8.7 million on the first night, I dont yet know about the second), and we didnt learn a lot about any of them that we didnt know.
I did however learn a really interesting thing: Barack Obama was apparently a Republican.
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Wednesdays debate ended up being far more about Obamas record than Trumps. In fact, except for the rehearsed opening and closing statements, Obama came in for more criticism than Trump. This is absolute madness. And its political suicide.
Obama has a 97 percent approval rating among Democrats. And the way to rally and unify the party and get everybody on board in the effort to remove a racist authoritarian from the White House is to point out every single thing that Obama did wrong? Nothing will dispirit the Democratic rank and file more than that.
I kept listening to all those attacks on Obamas record on immigration and criminal justice and all the rest thinking about these people watching and probably wondering what was going on here. The Constitution is being torched. The house is burning to the ground. And the villain Wednesday night was Obama?
Cory Booker at one point said to Biden that you cant have it both ways, meaning of course that Biden cant invoke the Obama association hoping to remind people of the good without accepting some of the bad. Thats fair. But you know who else cant have it both ways? Every one of the rest of them.
MUCH more...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-is-burning-the-constitution-and-the-biggest-villain-at-the-democratic-debate-wasbarack-obama?ref=scroll
PS: Michael Tomasky must be a Republican. He relays the same damning info about Harris that Gabbard did.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)Petty
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)reading him since the horrible bush days.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Pisces
(5,602 posts)Of these candidates trying to make the news with their shock moment of attack. They have no answers on how they would have done things differently or what the F we are going to do know with the lunatic in charge.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)its a dog and pony show, but get used to it because as long as you include corporate networks in the process all you will get is, well, shit in, shit out.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
myohmy2
(3,177 posts)...I don't think so...President Obama was an excellent President but he was no saint...
...when he took office he could have had wall-street and banking by the balls and did an FDR but he chose not to...his record on immigration is less than stellar...
...Joe does want it both ways like Cory said but is that fair to stifle other primary contenders with legitimate questions about Joe's positions and history?
...I'm not one who's been blinded by Joe or his record but as front runner he should be able to take the heat...he must be able to take the heat...trump's attacks will be magnified a thousand fold over last night...better get use to it...
...there are no coronations in the Democratic Party...if Joe wants the nomination he must be made to fight for it and us Dem voters will benefit...
...that being said, I'm not insane...I will easily and enthusiastically cast my vote for Joe over trump if Joe's nominated...that's 'IF' he's nominated...but until then
...that's my opinion and I'm sticking to it...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)the "madness" of bashing him as a 2020 candidate that's at issue here.
I say go for it.. see how that helps them when it's time to vote.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)sounds close to canonization.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,137 posts)record on immigration OR about Obama's administration. This writer is LYING.
Michael Tomasky IS a fucking Republican. He's a bullshit journalist playing conflict-driven party horse race politics
Does THIS sound like madness to ANY of you?
So the idea that America is doing just fine is wrong. Not only that, this president always likes to take credit, like he did this. We have now had about 105 straight months of positive job growth, the longest streak in American history.
Over 80 months of that was due to President Barack Obama. Thank you, Barack Obama. Thank you, Barack Obama.
Biden On Healthcare:
BIDEN: My response is, Obamacare is working. The way to build this and get to it immediately is to build on Obamacare. Go back and do -- take back all the things that Trump took away, provide a public option, meaning every single person in America would be able to buy into that option if they didn't like their employer plan, or if they're on Medicaid, they'd automatically be in the plan.
It would take place immediately. It would move quickly. And it would insure the vast, vast, vast majority of Americans.
In the meantime, what happens? Did anybody tell you how much their plans cost? My plan costs $750 billion. That's what it costs. Not $30 trillion.
I have plenty of other Biden quotes, if anyone wants to see what he said about immigration.
DeBlasio also corrected Chris Matthews said that NO one criticized the Obama administration; they only asked Biden about HIS role. AND that media have to clear up their misunderstandings which show in how their questions misrepresent what they saw.
I saw it, too.
NOTHING in the debate was madness.
ALL of the debate was courteous in spite of clarifying differnences.
ALL of that debate was the epitome of civilized discourse.
Bullshit media should try it sometime.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)Predictable.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,137 posts)his "The Elections: How Bad for Democrats?"
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)Michael Tomasky since the bush days. He's not a republican.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,137 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)In this article, Michael Tomasky
And why is Obama relevant for a thread at all?
Because I said so.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)But saying "..Michael Tomasky is a repub.." doesn't make any sense to me.
Michael Tomasky
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,137 posts)constructive article he's written about Democrats and/or the party.
This is how you start the hated "circular firing squad."
I have the entire transcript of the debate that proves everything he thinks is wrong.
Let's review these articles before posting them here.
All bad perception does is muddy our thinking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)one who's calling this out.
If you see it another way then so be it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,137 posts)and you defend posting him.
Seriously.
You posted this OP. Why. Did you write your own thoughts about it? Or just put it out there?
If you post an article, shade the writer's words to separate them from your own.
E.G., who wrote "PS: Michael Tomasky must be a Republican. He relays the same damning info about Harris that Gabbard did."
Please do me one favor: explain why you thought his unfounded ideas were worth posting, and stop commenting to make my fact-based opposition about me.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
wyldwolf
(43,870 posts)... then alert on the post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)Democrats!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ancianita
(36,137 posts)No madness. No disrespect. No rudeness.
A lot of humor, laughs, and hard info.
The only debate that comes close to tense happened Tuesday, not last night.
I really don't know what you're talking about. I myself am not arguing with people here. I'm not a "live one." I'm incensed at the article. I'm arguing with unfounded perceptions and interpretations.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,537 posts)There have been threads about how the other five: Booker, Harris, Sanders, Buttigieg (not sure about Warren) cannot make an inroad into African Americans. I think that attacking Obama can provide the answer, but would like to hear from the ones who know.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,723 posts)I think attacking President Obama is bad policy and bad politics, Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut said Thursday. Of Bidens tenure as vice president, Blumenthal added: He owns it, for better or worse. But he should be proud of it.
Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois also suggested the Democratic race should be marked by a more hands-off approach toward Obama.
You can disagree with him, and I have, but the bottom line is ... he did an extraordinary job, and he should be given that recognition by those that are running for the presidency.
Link to tweet
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-obama-2020_n_5d4326a6e4b0ca604e2edddd
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)but the Orange Creature had no experience at all, so now everybody thinks they have a shot.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden