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Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:35 PM Aug 2019

No Billionaires for Bernie: Alone Among Democratic Frontrunners, Sanders Gets No Cash From Wealthies



Wealthiest Americans

Not a single billionaire to date has donated to Sen. Bernie Sanders' run for the 2020 Democratic nomination, according to a new analysis, making him unique among primary frontrunners.

(snip)

"True to his campaign promise to take on the top one percent," Forbes reporter Giacomo Tognini, who broke the story, wrote, "Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders has not received any donations from billionaires."

Tognini's reporting is based on FEC data through August 1 which shows South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg in front of the rest of the field with 23 billionaire donors to date. Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.) comes in second with 18; Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) is in third with 17. Sen. Michael Bennet (D-Colo.), currently polling at around one percent, is fourth with 15 billionaire donors and former Vice President Joe Biden, the polling front runner, wraps the top five with 13.

(snip)

A key difference between Sanders and his fellow candidates spurned by the billionaire class, in addition to being a top-tier contender for the nomination, is the Vermont senator's dominance in small dollar funding. As Common Dreams reported on August 2, Sanders has an overwhelming lead nationwide when it comes to generating individual donations.

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https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/08/06/no-billionaires-bernie-alone-among-democratic-frontrunners-sanders-gets-no-cash

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No Billionaires for Bernie: Alone Among Democratic Frontrunners, Sanders Gets No Cash From Wealthies (Original Post) Uncle Joe Aug 2019 OP
Very interesting. TexasTowelie Aug 2019 #1
It is what it is. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #2
Inasmuch as there are only 500 billionaires in the United States and the individual..... George II Aug 2019 #3
Does this mean he has a blacklist of billionaires that he won't accept small dollar donations from? lapucelle Aug 2019 #7
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #26
Someone is trying to make a non-issue an issue. LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #43
I created this graphic LiberalFighter Aug 2019 #44
Bazinga! It's so simple, isn't it? Why do people ignore simple, legal facts? George II Aug 2019 #45
LOL! NurseJackie Aug 2019 #4
There are 230 million Americans who are voting age, and he's rejecting 500-600 of them. George II Aug 2019 #8
Heh heh ... Not really. NurseJackie Aug 2019 #11
If you believe billionaires only have influence with campaign donations, Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #12
Those three billionaires can contribute a grand total of $8400 combined. George II Aug 2019 #13
Correct, insofar as campaign contributions are concerned Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #14
So how do you know that no billionaires are using their money and power.... George II Aug 2019 #15
I don't know if any billionaires are trying to exert their influence for Bernie behind the scenes Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #16
But you would bet on billionaires exerting their influence on the campaigns of other candidates.... George II Aug 2019 #17
Yes, if their prime objective were to best protect their own over sized economic and political power Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #19
If that's the case, why would they support candidates that have a higher progressive rating.... George II Aug 2019 #35
Lol. We are at the point in the argument where they pretend individual donations .... Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2019 #47
That proves nothing Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #20
Do you believe campaign contributions are the only way a billionaire can influence both Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #23
You can't have it both ways Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #24
Their campaign contributions are only significant insofar as a gauge Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #25
Why would billionaires exert their money and influence on the campaigns of more progressive.... George II Aug 2019 #33
I agree, I don't think that. So why do you think they're doing it for other candidates..... George II Aug 2019 #28
Your OP was on donations. But you seem to be trying to jump to other stuff like Blue_true Aug 2019 #34
I dig how you move the goalposts so deftly... LanternWaste Aug 2019 #46
Even if he was offered the maximum $2800 from every billionaire in the country.... George II Aug 2019 #37
You know this how? sheshe2 Aug 2019 #29
Funny thing, the article says this: George II Aug 2019 #38
shazam sheshe2 Aug 2019 #39
heck i hope a couple of them are...then maybe all of us can have healthcare!!!! questionseverything Aug 2019 #27
Bingo. nt Blue_true Aug 2019 #32
Omg! Elizabeth Warren dropped out? blm Aug 2019 #5
No, Elizabeth got two of them. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #6
Do you mind explaining why that is a bad thing? Blue_true Aug 2019 #36
Two of what? sheshe2 Aug 2019 #40
The link is below, I would note one of Warrens was an Obama cabinet member... Agschmid Aug 2019 #48
Gotta bean-count wherever possible, I guess. Tarc Aug 2019 #9
Sometimes it pays to count your beans. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #10
Fi fi fo fum Vegas Roller Aug 2019 #22
... yet. (n/t) OilemFirchen Aug 2019 #18
That's true. Uncle Joe Aug 2019 #21
commondreams...nt SidDithers Aug 2019 #30
Truly a meaningless piece of trivia. Blue_true Aug 2019 #31
Yup. Agschmid Aug 2019 #49
I noticed there's a lot of non-billionaires who BootinUp Aug 2019 #41
Don't care at all. Amimnoch Aug 2019 #42
Maybe Tim Ryan should be at the top of your list. Or Castro. SouthernProgressive Aug 2019 #50
 

TexasTowelie

(112,204 posts)
1. Very interesting.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:38 PM
Aug 2019

I am bound to come to some conclusion.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
3. Inasmuch as there are only 500 billionaires in the United States and the individual.....
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:46 PM
Aug 2019

....contribution limit is $2800 regardless of a person's wealth, he's not really winnowing down the contributor pool by very much.

Not taking contributions from billionaires is cosmetic at best.

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lapucelle

(18,260 posts)
7. Does this mean he has a blacklist of billionaires that he won't accept small dollar donations from?
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 06:24 PM
Aug 2019

Is there a difference between "won't accept" and "hasn't received"?

And what about the Ben and Jerry guy? He might not be worth a billion, but I bet he's worth 100 million. Isn't he a co-chair?

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LiberalFighter

(50,928 posts)
43. Someone is trying to make a non-issue an issue.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 10:44 PM
Aug 2019

A progressive Facebook group is pushing Sanders in my state. S/He (most likely he) seems to think it is a big deal. Still pushing it even though I pointed out the flaw.

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LiberalFighter

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44. I created this graphic
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 10:47 PM
Aug 2019

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George II

(67,782 posts)
45. Bazinga! It's so simple, isn't it? Why do people ignore simple, legal facts?
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 10:52 PM
Aug 2019

Like you say, people are trying to make an issue out of a non-issue.

If each of the 23 billionaires that contributed to Buttigieg contributed the maximum, their total would be a mere $64,400.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
4. LOL!
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:50 PM
Aug 2019


Next thing you know he'll be boasting that he refuses to accept money from CORPORATIONS!!
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George II

(67,782 posts)
8. There are 230 million Americans who are voting age, and he's rejecting 500-600 of them.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 06:35 PM
Aug 2019

Big sacrifice, dontcha think?

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. Heh heh ... Not really.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 07:31 PM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,362 posts)
12. If you believe billionaires only have influence with campaign donations,
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 07:35 PM
Aug 2019

I have a bridge in Alaska to sell you.

I believe 3 of them own as much wealth as the bottom half of the nation.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
13. Those three billionaires can contribute a grand total of $8400 combined.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 07:40 PM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

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14. Correct, insofar as campaign contributions are concerned
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 07:43 PM
Aug 2019

but that doesn't change my point.

Money is power and there is all manner of way in our society to exert your influence if you have enough.

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George II

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15. So how do you know that no billionaires are using their money and power....
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 07:49 PM
Aug 2019

....to support BS' campaign?

Hint: you don't.

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Uncle Joe

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16. I don't know if any billionaires are trying to exert their influence for Bernie behind the scenes
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 07:56 PM
Aug 2019

but I do know Bernie has by far dominated in the number of contributors and his average I believe is around $19.00

?

I also know that Bernie is the most aggressive candidate in taking on their stranglehold on American political and economic society so I believe the odds that any of them are covertly helping Bernie to be most minuscule.

Of course I can't entirely eliminate the possibility but I wouldn't bet on it.

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George II

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17. But you would bet on billionaires exerting their influence on the campaigns of other candidates....
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 08:12 PM
Aug 2019

...over and above the legally allowable $2800 contributions (or $5600 if contributed as a married couple)?

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Uncle Joe

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19. Yes, if their prime objective were to best protect their own over sized economic and political power
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 08:23 PM
Aug 2019

over our government and in turn the nation at large.

This is not to say all billionaires would but I believe many if not most would.




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George II

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35. If that's the case, why would they support candidates that have a higher progressive rating....
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:16 PM
Aug 2019

....than Sanders? Doesn't seem logical, does it?

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Hassin Bin Sober

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47. Lol. We are at the point in the argument where they pretend individual donations ....
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 10:30 AM
Aug 2019

.....to presidential candidates is the only influence billionaires have on our economy and system of government.

Don’t bother, Uncle Joe. It’s a ridiculous argument not worth having.

I don’t know if you have ever seen this. It’s worth a read if you haven’t. It’s been years since I read it. I will have to take another look.

It’s a bit dated but nothing has really changed. When people talk about demographics or blue walls that will save us I just shake my head. This money is never going away no matter the demographic change. We see it with the current healthcare debate. These people will always be able to manufacture consent - by hook or by crook.

https://www.citizen.org/wp-content/uploads/estatetaxfinal.pdf

SPENDING MILLIONS TO SAVE BILLIONS

The campaign of the super wealthy to kill the estate tax


Members of a handful of super-wealthy families have quietly helped finance and coordinate a massive campaign to repeal the estate tax.

These families – the members of which own the first and third largest privately held companies in the United States and hold about a 40 percent share in the world’s largest retailer, Wal-Mart – stand to save a whopping $71.6 billion if their bid succeeds.

They have relied on their fortunes, the resources of their companies and their business connections to marshal a massive anti-estate tax juggernaut that has reported nearly a half-billion dollars in lobbying expenditures ($490.3 million) since 1998.

The families also have helped finance outside groups that have spent millions on fear-mongering ad campaigns intended to sway public opinion against the estate tax. These ads have shamelessly retailed myths that the estate tax is responsible for wrecking small businesses and family farms, and that regular Americans should fear a crushing tax bill when their loved ones die.

In fact, only about one-quarter of one percent of all estates will owe any estate taxes in 2006. And the American Farm Bureau, a member of the anti-estate tax coalition, was unable in 2001 to cite a single example of a family being forced to sell its farm because of estate tax liability – and that was back when the exemption level was only a fraction of what it is today.

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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
20. That proves nothing
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 08:23 PM
Aug 2019

Even if he got $2800 from every billionaire, his average will at most go up to $19.50

It is just an empty talking point like the entire BS campaign.

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Uncle Joe

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23. Do you believe campaign contributions are the only way a billionaire can influence both
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 08:26 PM
Aug 2019

public opinion and politicians in office?

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Vegas Roller

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24. You can't have it both ways
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 08:28 PM
Aug 2019

Either their contributions are significant or they are not.

On one hand you are saying Bernie not having any billionaire contributions is highly significant. On the other hand you're saying they would exert influence whether they contribute or not.

It is empty rhetoric that doesn't compute.

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Uncle Joe

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25. Their campaign contributions are only significant insofar as a gauge
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 08:32 PM
Aug 2019

as to where their interests are.

It's not 100% but it isn't insignificant.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
33. Why would billionaires exert their money and influence on the campaigns of more progressive....
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:14 PM
Aug 2019

....candidates and not Sanders?

Here are the top Senators' progressive rankings (according to Progressive Punch):

1 Warren, Elizabeth
2 Markey, Ed
3 Harris, Kamala
4 Gillibrand, Kirsten
5 Merkley, Jeff
6 Booker, Cory
7 Sanders, Bernie

Two mentioned in the OP (Harris and Booker) are ranked higher than Sanders. So if they're doing so for them, it would make sense that they're exerting their money and influence on Sanders' campaign, inasmuch as he's closer to them ideologically than the two they're supporting.

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George II

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28. I agree, I don't think that. So why do you think they're doing it for other candidates.....
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 08:58 PM
Aug 2019

...(undocumented, of course) but not for Sanders?

Ever hear of Citizens United?

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Blue_true

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34. Your OP was on donations. But you seem to be trying to jump to other stuff like
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:15 PM
Aug 2019

lobbying. There are progressive lobbies that lobby Congress on behalf of everyday Americans. Maybe a good OP would be pointing them out and encouraging people to contribute money to them.

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LanternWaste

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46. I dig how you move the goalposts so deftly...
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 10:15 AM
Aug 2019

...from simple donations to the greater issue of lobbying and influence.

I get it, though; the premise of the former was undercut rather quickly so an entirely new angle was necessary to maintain the pretense of a higher moral platform.

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George II

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37. Even if he was offered the maximum $2800 from every billionaire in the country....
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:26 PM
Aug 2019

...(estimates have been 500 to 600, let's use 550) that would be only $1,540,000. Considering that if he stays in to the end he'll receive $250M, he's rejecting 0.6% (less than one percent) of his total take. Not a huge sacrifice - he had to give back more than that in his last campaign.

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sheshe2

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29. You know this how?
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:01 PM
Aug 2019
Not a single billionaire to date has donated to Sen. Bernie Sanders' run for the 2020 Democratic nomination, according to a new analysis, making him unique among primary frontrunners.

Because analysis told you so?
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George II

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38. Funny thing, the article says this:
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:29 PM
Aug 2019

"Tognini's reporting is based on FEC data through August 1", but FEC data is only available through June 30 - candidates file their financials quarterly. The next due date is September 30.

No one other than the actual campaigns (not the FEC) knows what has been contributed between July 1 and August 1.

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sheshe2

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39. shazam
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:40 PM
Aug 2019

Thank you George!

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questionseverything

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27. heck i hope a couple of them are...then maybe all of us can have healthcare!!!!
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 08:50 PM
Aug 2019

instead of the few

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blm

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5. Omg! Elizabeth Warren dropped out?
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:55 PM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

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6. No, Elizabeth got two of them.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 05:57 PM
Aug 2019
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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
36. Do you mind explaining why that is a bad thing?
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:19 PM
Aug 2019

Do you know anything about the history and past activism of those billionaires? To just throw something like that out as red meat is not right.

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sheshe2

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40. Two of what?
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:42 PM
Aug 2019

Billionaires?

Link please.

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Agschmid

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48. The link is below, I would note one of Warrens was an Obama cabinet member...
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 10:38 AM
Aug 2019
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Tarc

(10,476 posts)
9. Gotta bean-count wherever possible, I guess.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 07:13 PM
Aug 2019
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Uncle Joe

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10. Sometimes it pays to count your beans.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 07:19 PM
Aug 2019
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Vegas Roller

(704 posts)
22. Fi fi fo fum
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 08:25 PM
Aug 2019

I smell the blood of a billionaire.

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Blue_true

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31. Truly a meaningless piece of trivia.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:08 PM
Aug 2019

There are many very good rich people out there. Maybe the concern should be the character of the person the money comes from.

When I contribute to a candidate (always democrats), I do so expecting nothing in return. I don't even respond when their staff ask for opinions. Most people who contribute are like me.

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BootinUp

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41. I noticed there's a lot of non-billionaires who
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:47 PM
Aug 2019

Aren’t backing him either.

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Amimnoch

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42. Don't care at all.
Tue Aug 6, 2019, 09:47 PM
Aug 2019

With what’s at stake it’s absolutely foolish for any candidate to refuse funding from legal sources thus harming their own chances and the chances of the party to prevail against this fascist shift our country is taking.

The whole notion that candidates are “bought and paid” for as a result of campaign support is absurd in the very least, excepting those few instances where there is evidence of quid pro quo as a result.

I think it’s more telling of the very flawed personal character of those who do have such low esteem of the integrity of the majority of our candidate base than it is of the character of our candidate base itself.

If it’s legal, and there’s no evidence of quid pro quo, then the disgusting insinuation and condemnation is absurd. Period.

I refuse to question the character of any candidate that accepts legal and transparent funding, without any indication or evidence of quid pro quo, and will not allow my support be swayed by such ridiculous notions.

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SouthernProgressive

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50. Maybe Tim Ryan should be at the top of your list. Or Castro.
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 10:57 AM
Aug 2019

None have received donations from a billionaire.

Another interesting point, for the most part, both of those I mentioned are polling about the same distance from Sanders as Sanders is to Biden.

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