Are all supporters here of whatever candidate EASILY willing to throw not just

[Eliot Rosewater]

their support but AGGRESSIVELY AND HAPPILY to whoever is the nominee?

I could list my issues with ONE candidate with a D after their name and I could speak extremely passionately why they are my LAST choice, but I wont do that so as not to contribute to the negativity. Well there are 2 with a D this applies to but one of them has zero chance of being nominee so forget that one.

ALSO because if that candidate becomes our nominee, I will want to support in such a manner that you would have thought I was on their team the WHOLE time.

Make sense?

The way we TALK about a person is just as important as whether we vote for them or not because of the opinions of others we can effect.

POSITIVE always, from now on, OK! I dont have to remind anyone of the nonstop negative comments about another nominee, I hope.

[Kurt V.]

1. It's vetting and it's healthy. imo. and yes, no matter who I'm all in.

[Eliot Rosewater]

2. Long as we dont let the KGB or GOP or a certain other group do the vetting for us.

[melman]

8. What other group is that?

[Joe941]

3. I think that is true in general with the exception of...

Bernie Sanders. If he wins I'm only about 90% sure it will happen.

[PatrickforO]

4. I'm not thinking Sanders will win this time around. I just don't

get that feeling. I was a big supporter in '16, but this time around Warren is in and I believe her policies are top notch.

[Joe941]

5. I think everyone will line up behind her if she wins.

[mcar]

6. I vote for Democrats

[floppyboo]

7. i was just about to put you on ignore

but good sentiment overall, I guess.
edit - btw - harris is my 4th just behind warren and inslee, but I can't vote anyways. Just would love to see Sanders take charge of foreign policy.
edit: no - i'm not a russian, just a canadian neighbour and I've been here before the bot attack, so don't worry.

[Saviolo]

9. I said something similar back in May.

In a thread here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287120348

The response I got was only slightly disappointing.

[Eliot Rosewater]

14. It becomes clear quickly who is NOT ever going to support our party.

but, hopefully there are enough patriots to overcome their actions and we manage to take the WH back from the KGB.

Thanks!

[dgauss]

10. Maybe if you would stop the EXTREME NEGATIVITY towards one candidate that I won't mention,

posts like this would seem more reasonable.

[cwydro]

15. Very good point.

I’m not a fan of that candidate either, but have never attacked that candidate the way the OP does on a regular basis.

[UniqueUserName]

11. There is only one candidate I wouldn't vote for

I would happily and vigorously vote for Bernie, Warren, Biden------well, hell, all of them but one. It's not going to be an issue; that candidate won't win.

But if that candidate won. I happily and cheerfully admit defeat. I'm lucky----or is it unlucky? -----in that I don't feel responsible for anyone since my spouse died this year. I feel no obligation to continue if Trump--or dummy-----makes the world unlivable. For me, it's like, If this is the world you want, have at it. Bye bye----I don't think that is what will happen. I hope senator Harris wins, but I expect any of our great candidates will win. We will win and win soundly.

[cwydro]

13. Wow, a real GBCW post.

Checking out if the candidate you don’t like wins? This is a first even for DU, I think.

[UniqueUserName]

23. "Rolls eyes" right back at you

You can't even be polite enough to type out "Good Bye Cruel World"----I had know idea what you meant because I don't spend my time learning silly acronyms.

And you failed to recognize that I fully expect ANY of our good candidates to win. Whatever.

[cwydro]

29. You'll find out that is the common way of referring to that type of post.

Now I’ve got some socks to wash.

[UniqueUserName]

30. It seems like someone has never cared for you or loved you as I have been loved.

I hope you find your bliss. You remind me of the sad animals that people have dropped off on my dirt road. I don't know what these people think happens to the abandoned animals. I hope they look at your responses and understand.

[cwydro]

31. My my.

Oh the drama!

It’s a discussion board for crying out loud.

[UniqueUserName]

32. You do realize we aren't talking to each other now.

We're talking to the larger audience. How do you think you come across? You can have the last word. I am sorry that you can't understand.

[cwydro]

33. Truly fascinating.

Have a blessed day now!

[Demsrule86]

45. I have and am loved as you describe so I get it...feel sorry for those who don't...and such a nasty

response to your post ; you deserve better...I understand what you mean...but hang around, we need people like you.

[cwydro]

57. Stay tuned.

Time will tell.

And please waste no time worrying about my family or love life. Good lord, this would be funny if not so silly!

[Demsrule86]

61. I said nothing about you ...mine was a general comment...about any who don't have the sort of love

I was lucky enough to find. I do think you were harsh with the Duer who had lost her husband obviously the love of her life. But one has nothing to do with the other. I would not presume to sit in judgement about you life even if I knew you well which I don't. Have a nice day. Hope this clears up this little misunderstanding.

[LakeArenal]

51. Oh geez.

[Demsrule86]

44. This is a really miserable response.

[Demsrule86]

46. I have been here for quite a while and have never seen anyone refer to a post this way.

[cwydro]

56. Wow, really?

Primaries forum is not for the thin skinned.

[Demsrule86]

62. I remember the last primary this one pales in comparison...but to tell a grieving widow what you

posted from the first response to the last was harsh IMHO.

"Wow, a real GBCW post."....this was what I have never seen... You have a right to say what you want here as we all do...of course. I get that.

[LakeArenal]

55. "seems liked no one ever cared for you"

I love you man, but those socks... get them washed.

[cwydro]

58. Lol, I hear ya.

I’m going off into my sad animal corner now.

I’m in good company...Sam, Sadie, Boo, Bear, and the latest rescue is Coal.

[highplainsdem]

22. UniqueUserName, I'm so sorry you lost your spouse.

But even though you no longer feel responsible for anyone, and even though you feel no obligation to continue if Trump wins and makes the world seem unlivable, there are always people who can benefit from your love and kindness. And always people who will want to show love and kindness to you, and who will benefit from that.

No matter how despicable Trump is, he can't change that.

[UniqueUserName]

24. Thanks for caring

I think we'll win. I am very fortunate to have a very strong support network. I will always have a can do attitude. I'm 52, I've also realized since I was 20 that there are limits to what I want. I've always enjoyed thinking about what those limits are. There are people who are happy, fully-functioning, worthwhile quadriplegics. I don't think that's for me. Of course, if it were to happen I'd give it a shot, but I'd feel no obligation to continue. My husband lost three of his limbs to an allergic reaction. He went into the hospital able-bodied and came out with one hand. The other hand and feet----chop, chop. 1 to 3 % of people given heparin will have this reaction, but the doctors don't have to inform you when they use it. It's considered a "professional consideration".

My husband wanted to live. He WANTED to give it a shot. He was told he'd walk with prostheses. He died anyway. I'm not asking for sympathy. There are lots of people who have had worse happen to them. I KNOW if what happened to my spouse of 22 years happened to me, I'd want to check out. But he wanted to live and I wanted that for him. When we were lying down I told him, "I believe the doctors when they say you will walk again, but if this were it, if the rest of my life was caring for you, I'd be happy just to have your company." I enjoyed him.

There are so many, even those who talk a lot, who live an unexamined life. Socrates said, "The unexamined life is not worth living." Evolution cares only if you pass your genes.

[highplainsdem]

25. Oh, what a heartbreaking loss!

Years ago when I was getting physical therapy for a wrist injury, I met a woman (there for therapy after knee surgery) whose husband had died the year before from massive clotting all over his body, an allergic reaction to heparin he'd been given. I was really worried when my mother was given heparin for surgery when she broke a hip, but there didn't seem to be any alternative. Doctors really need a better drug, or at least a way to do a quick test to find out who might be allergic.

I hadn't heard of anyone requiring amputations after that kind of allergic reaction -- I think I'd just assumed it either caused a fatal allergic reaction or people tolerated the drug -- and I'm amazed at how well both you and your husband dealt with this. He sounds like a real hero, and you were equally heroic in the way you cared for him, and in what you told him, the reassurance you gave him.

Thank God you have a strong support network. But I'm guessing a lot of the people in that network have had lots of support and help from you in the past.

[UniqueUserName]

27. Thanks! you are why I am in the Democratic family!

Most Republicans are still our deluded cousins, though. Some of them are total jerks----most of those are in various cults. There's little point in talking to a person out of cult. They have to come out on their own.

I had written a response and the internet ate it. I'll try to be more succinct. There are alternatives to heparin (bivalirudin). I've been too busy trying to settle my husband's estate, feeding the cats,and living to do good research. But in the research that I've done, the studies comparing bivalirudin vs. heparin have mostly involved comparing these blood thinners in primary myocardial infarction (PCI, heart attach) cases. Most of the studies involve comparing these blood thinners where a patient has a blockage in the arteries of the heart. These studies show no benefit or little benefit to using bivalirudin over heparin in PCI. That's not what my husband's issue was. He had a mass on his heart valve which had pieces that were breaking off and causing clots elsewhere. I haven't found any studies of this yet. I can tell you that they treated him with bivalirudin for the heparin reaction.

If I knew this was the best treatment for most people, I would be fine for them sacrificing my husband. His hospital did so much other stuff wrong. I hate to write this, other than some homophobic staff, I think most of the staff were doing the best they could. The reason I hate to admit it is because I have a lawyer on my case. If my lawyers get money, great, good for them. I don't care about money. I don't want this to happen to other people. I KNOW that was my husband's motivation. So, I raise a drink to all of us who are trying to make life better.

[Demsrule86]

42. I am so sorry for your loss...go after the bastards that caused this.

[LanternWaste]

16. I see no reason the vast majority of DUers would deny the eventual democratic candidate their vote

I see little to no reason the vast majority of DUers would deny the eventual democratic candidate their vote. A handful here, a handful there may or may not; but the overwhelming majority will. Make sense...?

[Eliot Rosewater]

18. Probably, but MORE than support is how we support. For instance, this isnt support:

"Yeah, I guess I am gonna vote for fill in the blank here, but I sure dont like their position on..."

"OK, I guess we have no choice now, time to HOLD our nose and vote for ..."

Etc.

I could go on.

HOW we act in public about our candidate is very important. Thanks for your response

[LakeArenal]

52. A held nose is still a Dem vote.

[Eliot Rosewater]

53. Not if you tell everyone around you in real life and say it on the internet it isnt,

the number of people who hear and see that SHIT can result in several not voting.

I hope we learned that lesson.

[LakeArenal]

54. Everyone in my real life already know whom I might hold my nose for.

That’s real life and I’m not pretending to family and friends.

As far as DU, if candidates and supporters would refrain from public negativity in support of their candidate that makes me personally not like their candidate. But that is never going to happen.

Several of the candidates have done things that are an anathema to me. They have done these things publicly and doubled down on those things over and over.

I will not post negative thoughts on candidates I don’t like. But I will never pretend to be excited for them should any of these are the candidate.

[aikoaiko]

17. Any Democratic nominee will get my vote, some my money, and some my enthusiastic public support

But for some it will just be my vote.

[Eliot Rosewater]

19. I feel you but let me debate you on this.

If you are not thrilled with the nominee, and withold your donation, maybe they lose, if they lose the ACTUAL HUMAN RACE is in trouble, not just Americans.

If you are not thrilled with the nominee and in public you make that clear with negative comments, people listening might be on the fence as to vote or not vote at all and said negative comments can and do sometimes push them into the not voting at all slot.

We are up against not just the GOP who always cheat at everything but the god damn Russian KGB, it is called something else now and I refuse to do putin's bidding and call it by it's new name because that is what HE wants me to do.




Food for thought?

[aikoaiko]

20. You're not wrong. Maybe when I get past the convention, I'll dig deep for whoever

Every four years the primaries depress me more and more.

[cwydro]

21. Hey, have you noticed your own negative comments?

Do I need to link to them here?

[Demsrule86]

39. Seriously? I read Elliot's stuff and have not noticed any bad comments...I suppose one could

cherry pick most comments...this is sort of the point of the OP.

[cwydro]

43. Oh come on, he's known for going after one particular candidate.

Usually in all caps.

[Demsrule86]

47. I don't like the candidate you refer to either but he is now my second choice...as he might win

Wisconsin...we all have our favorites...but vote blue no matter who is my motto. and let's not damage our eventual nominee with negative comments here or on social media...social media being particularly bad.

[cwydro]

48. Absolutely.

[Eliot Rosewater]

49. Thanks, I have commited to full support of whoever the candidate is

and will follow my own advice if the one candidate I dont like is nominated and it will be as if I was on board all along.

Easy for me, I was on board LONG before 90% of the people here even knew who he was.

[Demsrule86]

63. I thought you had, knowing you, but I don't speak for others...have a great day.

This is an important post.

[Demsrule86]

40. +1000 I actually think this is what hurt Hillary, and we need to get behind fully any candidate.

The person who is our nominee should have our support both in the general and God willing the presidency...lets not knee cap our president as was done to Clinton and Obama...let's try to win and actually pass progressive legislation.

[Demsrule86]

41. And that is the sort of half hearted effort that elects Republicans...we need to be fully invested.

I hope you reconsider.

[emmaverybo]

26. No purity tests needed. I won't be happy if my candidate does not go on to GE as he has a resume

matched by no other.

However, I will be a part of the blue wave to drown Trump and happily watch his bloated body hit bottom. I will toot the horn for our candidate in contrast to our current dangerously incompetent, anti-American, morally corrupt and criminal president, a threat to democratic values throughout the world.

[Thekaspervote]

28. I will vote for our nominee regardless of who it is

And agree ...staying positive about one’s candidate of choice is the best way to convince others to vote for them. Negative posts only further drive people away

[Amimnoch]

34. Well, what I can say is:

If Beto is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Warren is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Biden is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Harris is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote Her as much as I am capable.
If Buttigieg is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Gabbard is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Klobuchar is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Yang is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Booker is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Williamson is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Castro is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Gillibrand is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her as much as I am capable.
If Steyer is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If De Blasio is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Bullock is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Ryan is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Moulton is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Delaney is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Messam is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If Sestak is Nominated, I will donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote him as much as I am capable.
If someone else throws in and is nominated, I will almost definitely donate to, vote for, canvass for, and social media promote her/him as much as I'm capable.

[Demsrule86]

38. +1000 Now there is a boots on the ground base Democrat. We are the base. I vote Democratic

every election...work most of them. I was in hospital in September of 16 and was back at it the day I got out. Ohio might have gone for Trump, but Cortland (where I lived then...live in Cleveland now) didn't by God.

[Sapient Donkey]

35. That's never been a question for me.

I've always found the XXXXorBust type talk to be a real head scratcher. I mean, I kinda get what they think will happen, but I don't think they are correct in their assumptions about how things would play out in the long run.

I am also tired of the negativity. I have no problem with the vetting and the exploration of people's past stances/policies, but when doing so we shouldn't be doing it in order to find things to tear them down. Instead it should be about understanding their approach, views, and behavior. Which also means trying to understand why they may have said or did whatever that may be. Something like making sure it's constructive criticism.

[Demsrule86]

37. We should not talk about candidates badly...we don't know who the nominee will be...I have

argued who can win a general but except after one unfortunate slip up after the debate...I won't post shit about candidates. I will vote blue no matter who...and for God's sake people,keep it in the family. Stay off of twitter and social media with mean comments about other candidates.

[Runningdawg]

59. I WILL vote for the nominee however

If it happens to be Marianne Williamson I am going to need to be high AF.

[Eliot Rosewater]

60. LOL

[Demsrule86]

64. haha...me too...

[ancianita]

65. I've already done that. For almost every candidate but Steyer and Gabbard.