Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumJoe Biden is not an exciting candidate. That's why he is doing well
Sanderss and Warrens policy platforms are more removed from Trumps than Bidens, but they are also perceived as highly divisive candidates. And this is not the kind of change most anti-Trump voters are looking for. What they want, is a return to order and civility.
The paradox is that the mainspring of Bidens support is therefore also a form of protest voting. Its a protest against the politics of perpetual scandal and polarization. Protest against protest, if you will which translates into a call for a return to order.
[link:https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/19/joe-biden-exciting-candidate|]
It is an interesting analysis - more at the link..not sure that it squares all the circles for me but it is worth a read!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
empedocles
(15,751 posts)typical, primary driven, purist, or 'aspirational' Dem candidate.
Biden is squarely aiming at trump, [not helping trump in any way no matter how 'incidental'], and winning the 2020 General Election.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bucolic_frolic
(43,182 posts)i hardly recognize the last 3 years from what is written in that article
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Unfortunately we got spoiled with Obama, he had everything. We won't find another one like that for a while. Not to be critical, but I don't think any of our 20+ candidates could equal Obama's "complete package".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)That includes the swooning over Obama. Pictures of him in swim shorts etc....It seems to be mostly women who go in for this behavior. Im a woman, and I think its stupid.
I dont care what our candidate looks like in swimming attire. Oddly enough, we never see that behavior around women candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Joe is the most electable candidate. Joe is the best candidate to defeat trump https://politicalwire.com/2019/08/19/bidens-weakness-may-be-his-strength/
The reason for this is to be found in what many consider Bidens main weakness. Hes an old-school candidate, with a policy platform and campaigning style that seem to belong to another political era. Even Barack Obama originally chose him as vice-presidential candidate to reassure electors with a message of compromise and reliability. And that was nearly 12 years ago before anyone even thought Donald Trump could stand a chance as president!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)and Biden, having been VP until the orange ape took over, is the candidate closest to that in a lot of minds.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,065 posts)That SHOULD be normalcy. It can be by getting rid of Trump AND McConnell
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JenniferJuniper
(4,512 posts)Just saying that people who don't follow politics closely see Biden a return to a less tumultuous, more normal time.
Biden is not in my personal top 10, but I do think that's why he's leading the pack and may continue to.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(113,065 posts)The mess left behind will be too huge and needs the guidance of a reality-based leader who has answers for uncomfortable questions.
I dont disparage Dems in this battle between good and evil. I just want a full commitment to good.....and fair.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)see some peace with some return to working together for the people not for just one party.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Thekaspervote
(32,778 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Joe is the most electable candidate. Joe is the best candidate to defeat trump https://politicalwire.com/2019/08/19/bidens-weakness-may-be-his-strength/
The reason for this is to be found in what many consider Bidens main weakness. Hes an old-school candidate, with a policy platform and campaigning style that seem to belong to another political era. Even Barack Obama originally chose him as vice-presidential candidate to reassure electors with a message of compromise and reliability. And that was nearly 12 years ago before anyone even thought Donald Trump could stand a chance as president!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Not exciting equals turnout buzzkill equals defeat.
Whatever normal was was followed by Trump.
As for doing well, by what measure?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)enough to get out the house and vote. Give me a freaking break.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)Whose bright idea was it to send his wife out to deliver an eat-your-peas line to Democratic voters at this stage of the game?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/jill-biden-to-reluctant-democrats-swallow-a-little-bit-and-vote-for-joe-2019-08-20?mod=economy-politics
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,252 posts)i would have no problem supporting either of them if they win the nomination even if they aren't my top choices at the moment.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,374 posts)When asked who has been the most passionate so far, Warren and Sanders each had 28%, while Biden had just 14%. Warren, who has touted her policy proposals, was seen as the most specific candidate, with 42%, while Harris was seen as the strongest with 32%.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-21/biden-leads-in-new-cbs-democratic-poll-but-faces-enthusiasm-gap
Online donations are an indication of grass roots support and hes struggling there too.
Of course everyone here will vote for him. At the same time, Im trying to picture what his campaign looks like in a year if hes the nominee since hes already being sheltered from the media and keeping a light schedule. Maybe hes just pacing himself.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(89,252 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
peggysue2
(10,832 posts)Listened to a similar analysis made by Donny Deutsch on his Saturday night panel show. Basically, that voters are looking for a normal functioning government (rather than revolution) following the non-stop chaos known as Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
highplainsdem
(49,004 posts)for the country and the entire world, where our allies have great respect to him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,322 posts)find Biden and the thought of getting back our Democracy Very Exciting.
I'm not interested in m4a.. I want to build on President Obama's signature legacy which is hella Exciting after what will be 4 years of trump stooges trying to take everything away.
".. abrasive political style.."? trump has people killing in his name..
Joe Biden is a Uniter!
Link to tweet
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287245842
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OhZone
(3,212 posts)This!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,322 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,622 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Maybe?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)the people's house even more exciting!!! K&R
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OhZone
(3,212 posts)Kicking Trump's ass is also exciting. ha
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,783 posts)McGovern, Dukakis, Kerry, Gore. McGovern and Kerry excited me, but for their ideas. Warren is exciting and inspiring. She has that extra thing that Clinton (Bill) and Obama had. That edge.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Princetonian
(1,501 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(145,321 posts)Link to tweet
This is the grouchy-white-guy-in-the-diner problem all over again. Reporters are blinded by their own age, background, education and geography. Instead of going to West Virginia diners to find the Trump voter, reporters should go talk to the residents of The Villages in Florida, the African American churchgoing ladies and the buttoned-down professionals in the affluent suburbs (the Romney-Clinton voters). These people have endured a noisy, offensive and intrusive presence in the White House. They dont necessarily want a different noisy, intrusive presence even one they agree with on substance.
Part of the mystery of Bidens appeal would be solved if the moderators flipped their questions, as one smart Democrat not in the Biden camp put it. Instead of asking Biden or another moderate, Why arent you going with the big, bold idea of Medicare-for-all?, the moderators might consider asking Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) or Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), Why blow up Obamacare, and why dont you trust people to choose Medicare if given the option? Instead of assuming that extreme proposals are the standard, requiring the moderates to explain why they are such wet blankets, the moderators should press the super-progressives on questions such as: What makes you think that voters want to go through another health-care makeover? Why should poorer people pay for richer peoples health care or subsidize their college debt?
Better yet, ask the candidates to relate the personal story from a voter who moved them the most, or the last voter whose phone number they took so that the candidate could call later, or the most insightful thing they have heard from a voter. It might reveal who is talking at voters and who is listening to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden