The Ghost of Jill Stein?

[deacon2]

As the purity tests begin and even some of our own candidates disparage the legacy of Barack Obama in a misguided attempt to raise their standing or tarnish Mr. Biden's, I thought it might be wise to reflect on what we had as a nation before the Current Darkness. I believe the author of this article has summed it up quite nicely. Let's please retain our respect for each other and for one of the best presidents of the modern era... and vow together to support a Democrat for president no matter who that turns out to be. If we can see our way to doing that, the ghost of Jill Stein won't haunt us in 2020.

https://www.salon.com/2019/08/19/barack-obama-was-an-awesome-president-and-democrats-shouldnt-forget-that/

[democratisphere]

1. Saw some bats fly out of HER belfry.

Not a good sign.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

2. I'm surrounded by people on the left end of the spectrum on social media/FB

and hear little but griping and complaining about Obama and it's hella depressing. And they refuse to believe that anything good would come from Biden. And some don't even think Warren would be good enough for them (she is a huge Bernie booster). They hate Trump but basically either believe that Obama is guilty of much of the same stuff as Trump is doing (usually regarding immigration) and/or caved too much to Republicans, paving the way for Trump. Most of them really hate(d) Hillary too. Most of them don't talk about Republican obstructionism and the role it played, stifling progress. Despite some of Obama's flaws, I certainly would rather he were still President or Hillary got elected in 2016 than what we ended up with, but most of them just see them all as equally bad. Maybe I need some new friends? I think that I have a harder time debating with my left-wing friends than I ever had with Republicans.

[unc70]

3. You do need new friends

I have friends all over the spectrum, all the way to rather fringe left. I never hear the kinds of positions you have described.

[mcar]

4. Some of them were probably here, back in the day,

complaining about President Obama every step of the way.

[still_one]

5. ++++++

[Life_Long_Democrat]

8. This is the problem when people who won't suffer

from what Trump and Republicans do refuse to get off the high horse of their "principles" rather than do something that actually helps other people.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

9. Most of my FB are disadvantaged and quite affected by Trump's policies

however, their thinking basically is revolution, burn it all down, which is sort of understandable, given that "the system" clearly doesn't work for them and they see the Democratic Party as too incrementalism and not changing enough, fast enough.

[betsuni]

6. K&R

[Gothmog]

7. A vote for Jill Stein was a vote for trump and Putin

[Proud Liberal Dem]

10. Yup

As well as staying home