NateSilver: A fun question is why, if the Sanders campaign thinks it gets negative coverage because

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With the media and just people!

[bluedye33139]

1. I think the press has already made up its mind about Sanders

and they will treat his campaign staff and supporters as stereotypes. I think that it's our duty as Democrats to avoid being dragged into that. I have virtually no real differences with Sanders on policy matters.

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4. I think Nate Silver has an Excellent point.

[qazplm135]

7. I think any two sided situation almost invariably

has issues on BOTH sides.

Sanders and some of his supporters are the worst I've ever seen in the simple act of persuading those who don't think like he and they do.

I'm right/Sanders is right, that's the end of it, and if you don't agree you are a corporatist stooge.
The volume of condescension, the venom against those who disagree, the pettiness, the over-the-top praise...it's all quite a turnoff.

If they toned it down like 30 percent, they'd probably do more to convince more people.

[bluedye33139]

8. I have a personal aversion to the word corporatist

because it's an actual word and it means something far other than "people who love corporations." Corporatism is the practice of allowing bodies (corpus) of people to act as a group and to be addressed as a group. Unions are corporatist, for instance, because labor is able to act as a body and to negotiate as a body. Everyone is a corporatist. It's my pet peeve.

[TwilightZone]

31. Agreed.

It's just a catch-all insult that people throw around instead of making a coherent argument.

The irony, of course, is that the word has nothing to do with the point they think they're making.

[Vegas Roller]

10. +1000

You put it so beautifully with cogency and passion!!

[Jakes Progress]

15. This is what we ran into with campaigning in the last election.

We had Sanders supporters who came to canvass antagonized people over and over.

I think 40 or 50 percent would be more like it.

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45. Yeah, but they don't.. they escalate.

[stonecutter357]

36. lol i have to !

[redstatebluegirl]

2. I think he liked it better when he had only one democratic opponent.

Funny he sounds a lot like someone else when he gripes about the media.

[oldsoftie]

3. Ha!

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5. No doubt.

[AtheistCrusader]

6. Maybe he's trying to mine votes from easily confused republican voters.

[LiberalFighter]

23. yep my thought too

[Control-Z]

61. Right?

I've wanted to say that for the longest time.

[Vegas Roller]

9. K&R nt

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69. Thank you, Vegas!

[we can do it]

11. Grumpy BS and minions attack actual Dems and press.

Whine when called out.

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33. Oh yeah.. who are we gonna believe..

our eyes? Or what they tell us we should believe?

[melman]

12. Nate Silver is a buffoon

and his "point" is nonsensical.

The truth is the campaign is fighting back this time and clowns like Silver can't handle it.


Which is just too bad for them.

[Horizens]

14. Nate: The Best

Nate Silver is one of the best, if not the best, at what he does. His point is right on.
Listening to sanders and his jill stein supporting staff complain bout the press (a la trump) is a bore. The press is what the press is -often an obnoxious pain in the arse. But it goes with the territory. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

16. Yeah because Bernie staff are the only ones who complain about the press.

Nate should stick to statistics. He’s even admitted he’s no good at punditry.

How are his top tier candidates he picked at the beginning of the year doing , btw?

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/biden-advisor-symone-sanders-clashes-with-cnns-brianna-keilar-over-recent-biden-gaffes-its-a-press-narrative/

Biden Advisor Symone Sanders Clashes With CNN’s Keilar Over Biden Gaffes: It’s ‘A Press Narrative’

(Simone)Sanders responded, “This is a press narrative, not a voter narrative. If you were to look at the coverage in Iowa this weekend and juxtapose the local newspapers and local television coverage to national media coverage you would have thought these reporters were at two different events.”

She said she won’t tell the press how to do their jobs, but added everyone should “elevate the conversation” and that “we cannot allow this election to devolve in a tit for tat over name-calling and ‘gaffes,’ something that does not matter. This is not something that’s registering with the American people.”

[yaesu]

20. Nates a corporate shill, always has been. nt

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[sheshe2]

30. Do you have any hard evidence to back that up?

A corporate shill? That is a serious accusation.

[betsuni]

41. "Corporate shill" is anyone with a job who doesn't like Bernie.

[sheshe2]

42. Silly me, I forgot.

Thanks~

[Clash City Rocker]

34. When you keep using the same buzzwords, they start to lose their meaning

Now I interpret “corporate shill” as “person who refuses to kiss Bernie’s ass.” I’m sure I’m not the only one.

[sheshe2]

44. ...

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66. Ding Ding Ding!!!! Me Also!

[Eliot Rosewater]

51. PROOF please, right NOW please

[yaesu]

21. He is the best, at helping tRump. nt

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29. It's not Silver who "helps trump"

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[sheshe2]

53. You have a link for that? nt

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37. Well Done, Horizons!

Dead on!

[11cents]

19. "Fighting back" using their donor-funded time in stupid twitter wars...

...and borderline doxxing anti-Sanders twitterati who aren't even political professionals, e.g., "Hoarse Whisperer."

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71. Thank you for that, 11cents.

[USALiberal]

26. Lol, nice try! Nt

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28. The truth is BS hired Divisive Jill Stein

advocators for his staff, Sirota, Gray, DrDooley, Turner.. and has Divisive Sarandon introducing him at Ice Cream Socials.

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And, Nate Silver is dead on.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

46. Any reason you need to spam a thread with the same cut and paste of the same tweets?

Gets a little annoying having to scroll through them each time. I got it the first time you posted it.

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47. Don't care if the truth "annoys" you or not.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

48. Didn't say a word about whether I thought it was true or not.

Just not sure why it has to be in the same thread more than once. And it's multiple screens long.

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50. I don't care that it annoys you.

[LiberalLovinLug]

32. + 1000

The corporate media will be touting Biden all the way is my guess. The candidate that they think will least affect their bottom lines, or more aptly their parent companies, and owners that have their hands in more than one industry that they don't want taxed fairly. Sanders, Gabbard, and Warren are all threats.

They've pretty much negated Gabbard with no coverage (even though she was one of the strongest performers in the last debate). They have practice with Sanders from last time. Ignoring the massive rallies he brought out, ignoring his policies, and pretty much dismissing him long before the primary ended. I think Warren will be a tougher nut to crack for the corp media. But if she is still a threat to win still by next year, you can bet she will be targeted, in subtle ways, to make sure she doesn't win. The question is, will the DNC remain neutral unlike last time, or push for the most conservative candidate to placate the MSM.

[sheshe2]

56. Sooo

Sanders, Gabbard, and Warren are all threats.

Sanders and his team believes Warren is a threat. Sarandons attack proved that.

But if she is still a threat to win still by next year, you can bet she will be targeted, in subtle ways, to make sure she doesn't win.

She is a threat now and will be a bigger threat next year to Sanders.

I took on giant banks and I beat them. I took on Wall Street, and CEOs, and their lobbyists and their lawyers, and I beat them. I took on a popular Republican incumbent senator, and I beat him. I remember when people said Barack Obama couldn’t get elected. Shoot, I remember when people said Donald Trump couldn’t get elected.

But here’s where we are. I get it. There is a lot at stake, and people are scared. But we can’t choose a candidate we don’t believe in just because we’re too scared to do anything else. And we can’t ask other people to vote for a candidate we don’t believe in. Democrats win when we figure out what is right and we get out there and fight for it. I am not afraid, and for Democrats to win, you can’t be afraid either.

The message was clever: She played to voters’ desire to vote for a candidate they believe in, while insinuating that she was that candidate. Warren also managed to get more speaking time than any other candidate, narrowly edging out Sanders.

Since the debate lineups were announced, there had been speculation about how Warren and Sanders, who share a broadly common set of policies (though not the same approach to politics), would interact, and about whether the candidates would attack each other or join forces. Warren’s answer was to outflank Sanders without ever needing to attack him head-on.


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/07/elizabeth-warren-i-am-not-afraid-democratic-debate/595135/

She is not just talk. She is action. She has achieved more than most politicians in their life times. Fact it is not the 'evil' DNC that fears her. It is the Sanders Campaign.

She does not just talk the talk...she walks the walk and her record of achievements proves that to be true.

Warren, my Senator, is bright, charismatic, energetic and a positive force that this country needs right now.

I have posted them here before.

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59. Yeah, Sanders is worried about Sen Warren!

As he should be!

Thanks, she!

[LiberalLovinLug]

62. Good luck to Warren! I'll be cheering for her.

Of course Warren is a threat to Sanders. And Sanders is a threat to Warren. Like every candidate is a threat to the other's chances to win. Goes without saying.

That is not the kind of threat I am talking about. I'm sure you are smart enough to get that. Both Warren and Sanders are the biggest threat to excessive corporate power in the country, with their proposals. And if Sanders dives, they will double their focus on Warren.

I saw a statistic which frankly floored me. I'm sorry I don't have the link now. But on it, Sander's voters second choice was Warren. Yet Sanders was not the second choice for Warren supporters, not even the third choice. I don't get it. Isn't policy...what a Presidential candidate will do for you...the most important? Shouldn't that "trump" any other reason, gender included? Like Sarah Silverman stated, she was for Hillary but something better came along for her, even though in the end she campaigned for Hillary once it was decided.

But as someone who admires Sanders, and what he has been fighting for for decades, I'd be just as happy with Warren. Because its what they stand for, not their race, age, or gender. I frankly wish she had run last time.

And I'm under no delusions that both Warren and Sanders will both be targeted hard by corporate players, at least those greedy ones like the Koch Brothers, as this plays out. I think Warren is tougher for them, because she is liked so much, and BECAUSE she was a Republican. It gives her more credit. She is very prepared.

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58. Well you're Wrong.. right off the bat.

[Thekaspervote]

13. Funny how that works!!

[Scurrilous]

17. K&R

[yaesu]

18. another hit peace from corporate shill nate to help tRump. nt

[Cha]

25. NO.. this is another Hit Piece from

you because you can't address the issue.

[Eliot Rosewater]

52. Stop ATTACKING this person without PrOVING what you are saying

[aidbo]

64. Lol "attacking"

[Eliot Rosewater]

65. Still no proof, got it.

[mcar]

22. Yep

It's a strategy, albeit an odd one.

[luvtheGWN]

24. Is it just me?

Or are a lot of people tired of Bernie? He always reminds me of the old guy in the neighbourhood house on the corner who shouts "Get off my lawn" to the kids who use the shortcut.

His story hasn't changed. Yes, he adds bits and pieces, and he supports Canadian-style healthcare, and his ideas are along my thinking, but really, it's the same old, same old.

And since I don't have a vote, I should probably just shut up...........

[DrToast]

27. The angry old man stuff doesn't bug me that much

Where he lost me was how he behaved in 2016 when it was clear he wasn’t going to be the nominee.

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35. Well Yeah!

[NurseJackie]

54. Agreed.

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63. You're right.. Thank Goodness!

[Kurt V.]

38. It's not possible to have a rational conversation about sanders here. no problem.

the ppl that ran a billion dollar campaign of a fine candidate and very good person, but lost, remain blameless.

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39. What are you talking about?

And.. Everyone is "rational".. just because you accuse us of not being "rational" doesn't mean it's so.

[Celerity]

43. Sanders has hired some REALLY problematic people, so he is now reaping what he sowed nt

[betsuni]

49. Sanders wants to keep it out there that the "corporate media" hates him.

He wants us to think that he is the only truly progressive candidate threatening the status quo, that the other candidates are on the side of "Them" and are just as corrupt.

Same way he takes another candidate's plan and exaggerates it to make himself look more progressive. Take someone's student debt plan and turn it into cancelling all student debt. Now with his climate plan. Every time. Then he and his surrogates can insinuate the other candidates are corporatists beholden to Wall St. and former Republicans or whatever.

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55. Yeah, they're so "clever"..

you got it, betsuni!

And, there's this..

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67. A Different Opinon on BS' Strategy..

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[Gothmog]

57. K&R

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60. ..

[NYMinute]

68. BS is desperate nt

[cwydro]

70. Rec.

[SidDithers]

72. It's OK. He's got Bern Notice now...

He doesn't need the media.

Sid

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73. Ah yes.. Sirota VS

WaPo.

Think I'll take the WaPo!