Biden Campaign, get ready to hate David Axelrod again...

[bluewater]

Link to tweet

The short -- but sweet -- honeymoon between the Biden Campaign and David Axelrod seems over...

[Eliot Rosewater]

1. Weird how all the BASHING comes from the same group

[George II]

2. Yep.

[bluewater]

4. "Trump's wall is child's play compared to Bernie Sanders's climate plan"

Someone just posted that as an OP.

Isn't comparing our candidates to Trump a form of "bashing"?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287253012



oh... but that is different somehow?

Got it.

[melman]

6. Yeah

isn't it interesting how that isn't considered BASHING?


I mean if someone is SO concerned with BASHING you'd think that would apply to all BASHING.


And yet...

[melman]

7. Oh almost forgot

That someone also deliberately kept the article headline out of the thread title.

Why would they do a thing like that? Could it be because they know full well it's nothing but BASHING?

[George II]

14. You obviously read the OP so you probably understand why that was done. This isn't LBN.

[melman]

15. Oh I absolutely understand why it was done

It was done in order to obscure the Trump reference. Probably because the person who posted it realized how low that is.

[George II]

16. No it wasn't. But if you didn't/don't like it, there are two obvious remedies.

[melman]

17. What are those remedies?

[George II]

27. Nice try.

[melman]

28. Try?

Try what? You said there were two obvious remedies. I merely asked what they were.

[bluewater]

19. Comparing our candidates to Trump is just wrong.

"Trump’s wall is child’s play compared to Bernie Sanders’s climate plan"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287253012

[George II]

26. Tell that to the award winning author of the column. But it doesn't "compare"....

...the two.

[bluewater]

31. "Trump's wall... COMPARED TO Bernie Sanders's climate plan" sure seems like a comparison...

That sure SEEMED like a comparison, the articles's headline even used the wording "COMPARED TO" when discussing Trump's WALL and one of our candidate's plans:

"Trump’s wall is child’s play compared to Bernie Sanders’s climate plan"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287253012

[George II]

35. It's comparing a wall to a climate plan. Why don't you comment about THAT post over THERE?

[Celerity]

40. Your award-winning author David Von Drehle, had a grand old time slagging Clinton on her emails

and other favourite (RW) Clinton-bash tropes. Pick and choose much? You cannot use appeal to authority (ie. awarding winning and WaPo) to prop up his attacks on Sanders (and he bashes Warren as well) without acknowledging his chequered past when it comes to our previous POTUS candidate, Sec Clinton.


The Clinton Way

BY DAVID VON DREHLE

MARCH 12, 2015

https://time.com/3741847/the-clinton-way/

snip

The Clintons play by their own set of rules. And in this case, the former Secretary of State explained, those rules bless her decision to erase some 30,000 emails from the family server despite knowing that the emails had become a subject of intense interest to congressional investigators. These were merely “private personal emails,” Clinton averred, “emails about planning Chelsea’s wedding or my mother’s funeral arrangements, condolence notes to friends as well as yoga routines, family vacations, the other things you typically find in inboxes.” After she finished taking questions, Clinton’s staff disclosed that no one actually read through those 30,000-odd documents before she “chose not to keep” them.

snip

Along with her husband–the 42nd President of the United States–Hillary Clinton is the co-creator of a soap-operatic political universe in which documents vanish, words like is take on multiple meanings and foes almost always overplay their hand. Impeachment can be a route to higher approval ratings; the occasional (and rare) defeat merely marks the start of the next campaign. Whatever rules may apply to them, the law of gravity is not one.

Still, Clinton’s failure to defuse the email issue, along with a growing list of questions about the family’s relentless fundraising and her husband’s choice of companions, has revived hopes among erstwhile rivals in the Democratic Party that the Hillary dreadnought might actually be sinkable. Backbiting inside the Clinton campaign–a hallmark of her failed 2008 presidential effort–has begun to leak into the political press. Republicans who were morose over their presidential chances mere months ago have a spring in their step.

Trust Me

The story of the Clinton rule book is a long and Gothic yarn, with its roots in the loam of human nature: lust, money, ambition, idealism. The mix of those last two–ambition and idealism–put the young Bill and Hillary Clinton on the path of politics a half-century ago. The first two–lust and money–posed significant obstacles in their way.

It’s news to no one who lived through the late 1990s that Bill Clinton can be sexually reckless. But for a politician who grew up in the years of John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, when sexual recklessness was the presidential norm, only to find himself in the chastened age of Gary Hart, Clinton’s lifestyle required that he and his wife become good secret keepers.

snip


plenty of other Hillary and Bill trashing in there

[George II]

42. How funny. So, let's see, March 12 2015 was 232 weeks ago, and this writer puts out 2 columns....

...a week.

If my math is correct, you had to go back 464 columns to find this. I'm impressed.

[Celerity]

43. Took me 2 minutes to find that, I would never waste time going through a tonne of columns 1 by 1

[True Dough]

45. +1

[George II]

8. The "Biden Campaign, get ready to hate David Axelrod again" is yours, the other one is...

...from the Washington Post.

Yep, "that is different somehow."

One is the opinion of an award-winning writer, the other is speculation.

[bluewater]

12. You are replying to the wrong person.

Mis-read the thread's lines perhaps? Looks that way.

[George II]

36. No, I replied to the right person.

[Lordquinton]

47. You think that's bad...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287247837

[Hassin Bin Sober]

49. Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't see a whining about bashing in that thread.

[bluewater]

3. Are the same people "bashing" all the candidates?

I have heard people say Biden has been bashed.

And that Sanders has been bashed.

And that Harris has been bashed.

So the SAME GROUP OF PEOPLE is doing all this "bashing"?



But what precisely was "bashing" in David Axelrod's observation in any case?

[George II]

10. It wasn't what Axelrod said, it was the framing of what he said in the OP.

[still_one]

11. Pattern

[bluewater]

13. "Trump's wall is child's play compared to Bernie Sanders's climate plan"

Selecting an article with an inflamatory "bashing" headline could be considered "framing" too, don't you think?

Perhaps "bashing" OP articles are worse? Like this one:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287253012

[George II]

37. The words in that headline aren't my words, the words in the subject of this OP are the OP's words.

[Lordquinton]

48. Which you clearly disagreed with

Right? Cause all of our candidates are better than trump and you would support all of them, including Bernie Sanders, right?

[thesquanderer]

53. The same people tend to bash the candidates, but it's diff people for diff candidates.

There are certain people you can count on to bash Biden, others to bash Sanders, or Gabbard, maybe Harris. Those are the candidates most likely to get bashed here. Oh, and Gillibrand, but she deserves it.

I don't consider ANY negative comment to be a bash. But when a negative comment is not supported by facts (or worse, countered by fact), it's a bash.

And a negative OP is more likely to be a bash than a negative on-topic reply to someone else's post, because, unprompted, the author went out of his/her way to post something negative.

I also consider guilt-by-association posts to generally be bashes. That is, it's not about something the candidate said or did, but about what someone associated with the candidate did.

Also, OPs that promote opinion pieces by people with known biases toward the candidates, which become a way to bash someone while saying "I didn't say it, this known pundit did" as if these opinion writers aren't perfectly capable of being bashers. It doesn't have to come from a right-wing source to be a hit piece.

[emulatorloo]

5. You're trying too hard.

Maybe try a little more subtlety and a lot less over-the-top hyperbole in your thread titles. For example, I seriously doubt anybody “hates” anybody.

Have a nice evening

[JI7]

9. most supporters of candidates don't lash out at everyone who has

criticisms of their candidate .

[Thekaspervote]

20. This!

[emulatorloo]

21. Most supporters of candidates don't lash out at everyone else's candidates

I know we did “scorched earth” in 2016, but I was hoping we could be positive about all our great candidates this year and focus on policy. They would all make excellent Presidents.

[bluewater]

24. THIS!

The number of ad hominem attacks that get posted here on DU is disturbing.

[Thekaspervote]

51. But not yours.. right?

[5starlib]

18. I'm inspired to beat Trump. You don't get an extra vote for being enthusiastic

I don't really get this. Trump is why Dems are winning and won in 2018. Every Dem and sane American wants that man out of office. That's the motivation and inspiration! If you hate Trump and don't vote against him in 2020, then you were never going to vote. And just because you're an enthusiastic Warren or Bernie voter, doesn't mean your vote counts more than anyone else. This is not a normal election. Political norms and conventional wisdom is thrown out of the window in the age of Trump. Everyone is still thinking in the past.

[Thekaspervote]

22. David Alexrod was also "less" than kind to Hillary

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287235585#post7

[riversedge]

38. I grew to very much dislike Axerod during the 2016--exactly because of those

articles--plus he was on TV a lot whining about HRC!!

[Hekate]

23. Bless your heart, bluewater

[bluewater]

25. https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287253012

Don't forget to spread the blessings around.



https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287253012

[blm]

33. Yeah, the constant highlighting of anti-Biden remarks is annoying

And has been from the first. I see it as unusual behavior for a DU Warren supporter.

[Hekate]

44. We've got a couple of posters who never quite get around to touting their ostensibly-chosen ...

...candidate's virtues. All they've got to contribute is Joe-bashing. I wonder why?

[EveHammond13]

29. David Axelrod is a weathervane, he thinks this makes him a "sought after guest"

on tv punditry shows

[EndGOPPropaganda]

34. Axelrod stinks

From this Warren supporter to you. We're on the same team

[EveHammond13]

46. +1

[brooklynite]

50. Well, it's not like he ever won a Presidential campaign...

[emmaverybo]

30. Last two of the day or planning more?

[EndGOPPropaganda]

32. Again?!?! I hate David Axelrod and I'm not even a Biden supporter

David Axelrod is deeply bothsideist. And anyone who gives 'both sides' credit in 2019 is a defacto conservative.

I stopped reading him and listening to his podcast a long long time ago.

[Thekaspervote]

39. Putting this thread in the trash can

[Kurt V.]

41. this isn't very important imo. Axle ain't who he used to be.

[lunasun]

52. So these voters in IA need to be inspired to vote? I'm hearing the exact opposite in Chicago

People saying do not wait to be inspired this time . If you stayed home last Election because you were not inspired then see how that hurt Dems and how we got trump
VOTE even if it’s not your perfect match is what I hear .
I myself will vote blue no matter who of the 20 gets the nod

Maybe people in IA don’t see trump as so bad and don’t feel they have that much to lose if he wins again so they can afford to vote only if inspired . Different areas are going to have different priorities

Did Sanders win the IA 2016 primaries ? Almost and maybe that is the way they are leaning there for inspiration
Regardless of primary wins I hope the countrywide Dems come together before the convention

[Peacetrain]

54. I live in Iowa.. and this is absolute bullsh*t.. "ONE VOTER SAYS" honestly..

the activists in Iowa, are possibly the farthest left progressives that are in the United States.. no kidding.. but the general Democratic party is center left and plain old Liberals.. so if all you are talking to is the activists.. Bernie Sanders would be President now and not the Trump.. I have nothing against the far far left.. they are out there working their butts off.. but they reflect their views.. and we have issues because the rest of the state is so much more pragmatic.. so I do not think for a moment anyones honeymoon is over.. David A will work his heart out for a Biden presidency if VP Biden gets the nod.