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bigtree

(85,977 posts)
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:15 PM Sep 2019

Biden Camp Looking to Lower Expectations on Iowa and New Hampshire

Last edited Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:47 PM - Edit history (1)

Jennifer Epstein @jeneps 19m
Biden campaign says Iowa is really, really, really important but isn't a must-win. Same official also hedged on New Hampshire, noting that candidates from neighboring states (Warren and Sanders) traditionally do well there.

A top Biden campaign official said the former vice president may not win the Iowa caucus, and the race likely will remain competitive far beyond the first four primaries and caucuses. The official and two others briefed reporters on the condition of anonymity.

The official’s comment, effectively hedging for a potential loss in the first-in-the-nation nominating contest, is at odds with Biden’s repeated message to voters and interviewers in Iowa that the state holds “the key to the kingdom.”

The official also sought to lower expectations in the next state on the calendar, New Hampshire, saying it has traditionally favored candidates from neighboring states. Senator Elizabeth Warren is from Massachusetts and Senator Bernie Sanders is from Vermont. The official said polls in early primary and caucus states -- where Biden largely leads -- are likely to get tighter as more voters tune into the race in the coming months.

The race is likely to become a battle between three or four candidates, the official said. At the very least, a second official said, the former vice president’s campaign sees Biden, Sanders and Warren as likely to stay in the race well past Super Tuesday at the beginning of March.


read: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-09-03/biden-s-campaign-says-iowa-caucus-isn-t-a-must-win

...amazing admission for the 'electability' candidate.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Biden Camp Looking to Lower Expectations on Iowa and New Hampshire (Original Post) bigtree Sep 2019 OP
I mean I will say this qazplm135 Sep 2019 #1
Biden DownriverDem Sep 2019 #6
I see 6 people coming out of Iowa Funtatlaguy Sep 2019 #2
they should all do that, to get out the vote treestar Sep 2019 #3
He has no organizers in my county (In Iowa) Bettie Sep 2019 #4
Already? BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #5
So the Biden campaign is playing smart politics? LincolnRossiter Sep 2019 #7
They're not looking to "lower expectations", they're just saying that even if he loses... George II Sep 2019 #8
Bernie Will Probably Win Iowa Based On His Anti-Immigration Views and ... TomCADem Sep 2019 #9
 

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
1. I mean I will say this
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:18 PM
Sep 2019

I don't think it's wrong to say Biden CAN win even if he loses the first two states.

But it certainly dents his inevitability aura if that happens, and there may be a feedback loop there that is not favorable to him.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

DownriverDem

(6,226 posts)
6. Biden
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:40 PM
Sep 2019

is our best candidate. He knows how it goes in both the White House and the Senate. If he runs with a strong, progressive, Dem woman, they will be a formidable ticket. I wish folks would see it as I do. It's a numbers game and that's how it's played.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Funtatlaguy

(10,862 posts)
2. I see 6 people coming out of Iowa
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:45 PM
Sep 2019

Then 1 drops out after NH.
Nevada stays status quo.
1 more drops after S.C.

That leaves 4 that survive for Super Tuesday in March.
The common wisdom says those 4 will be Biden, Warren, Sanders, Harris.
But Harris might be replaced by someone else like Booker, Beto or Pete especially if Harris doesn’t finish first or second in S.C.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

treestar

(82,383 posts)
3. they should all do that, to get out the vote
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:47 PM
Sep 2019

but just being first isn't enough to make more delegates and overwhelm the other states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Bettie

(16,076 posts)
4. He has no organizers in my county (In Iowa)
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 03:57 PM
Sep 2019

and none of his organizers or supporters have shown up at any of the many parades we've done this summer.

Nearly all of the others have had supporters and/or organizers show up to march. I know he's shown up for at least one larger town festival/parade, but I was surprised never to see or get called by a single staffer.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

LincolnRossiter

(560 posts)
7. So the Biden campaign is playing smart politics?
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 04:50 PM
Sep 2019

Say it ain’t so.

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primary today, I would vote for:
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George II

(67,782 posts)
8. They're not looking to "lower expectations", they're just saying that even if he loses...
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 07:21 PM
Sep 2019

...in Iowa and New Hampshire (highly unlikely) Biden is still in a good position to win the nomination.

Look at it this way (and this is NOT "refighting the last primary&quot , in 2016 Hillary Clinton barely won in Iowa, by two-tenths of one percent, and then lost New Hampshire by more than 20%. She went on to easily win the nomination.

The fact is that Iowa and New Hampshire represent about 1.5% of ALL pledged delegates, and they're won proportionally. So even if Biden "lost" both of them" (again, highly unlikely) he'll come out of those two states with a good chunk of delegates with more than 98% of the pledged delegates remaining.

Not only that, but those two states are not representative of the demographics of America or the Democratic Party. They're two very small states which, combined, are almost 92% white.

On the other hand, the next two states, both larger population-wise and Democratic registration-wise, each have more non-white residents than Iowa and New Hampshire combined. Those states mirror the demographics of the Democratic Party much more so than either of the first two states.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

TomCADem

(17,382 posts)
9. Bernie Will Probably Win Iowa Based On His Anti-Immigration Views and ...
Tue Sep 3, 2019, 10:02 PM
Sep 2019

...and xenophobic trade policies.

Look at the Republican primaries in the past. It was a virtual tie between Donald Trump and Ted Cruz back when Trump was not considered a serious candidate, which was due in large to Trump going all-in with anti-immigrant, Muslim ban rhetoric.

Remember, Iowa's Senators are Chuck Grassley and Joni Erst. Of course, the white nationalist Steve King is not only a member of Congress from Iowa, but he is a fan of Bernie's anti-immigrant views:


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Even this year, Bernie again warned against immigrants from "Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America coming in"



“Nobody, I mean not many people believe in open borders. If you simply opened the borders, you’d have people from Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America coming in. And no one thinks that is a plausible approach. On the other hand, I think the strength of this nation is the diversity and the new ideas from immigrants from all walks of life have given this country. So you need a rational, non-racist immigration policy which welcomes people in from all over the world to improve our economy, but clearly you cannot have open borders.”


The irony is that Sanders’ stance against “a rational, non-racist immigration policy” gets a bit lost when he also thinks that it’s a bad idea to “have people from Vietnam and China and Mexico and Latin America coming in.”

In short, Bernie's campaign is designed to appeal in early primary states with certain less diverse demographics.
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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