Joe Biden: Hillary Clinton lost because she had different positions than Obama

[Eric J in MN]

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But if voters wanted a third term of the Obama administration, would they not have chosen Hillary Clinton in 2016? Biden disagreed with that assessment.

"I campaigned like the devil for Hillary, but Hillary had different positions than the president had, and she emphasized different aspects of what would have occurred had I been the nominee," said Biden. "That doesn't mean I would've won. I don't mean that."

https://www.npr.org/2019/09/02/756872790/details-are-irrelevant-biden-says-verbal-slip-ups-don-t-undermine-his-judgment
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What positions?

Is Joe Biden saying he supports the TPP trade deal more than Hillary Clinton?

[BeyondGeography]

1. That interview didn't go well

[George II]

3. Actually the interview didn't go badly at all, but the way it's presented here isn't an accurate....

....assessment of the article. Unfortunately only a snippet of the interview was presented.

[questionseverything]

4. his vote to go to war with iraq is huge problem...from the article

"Immediately, that moment it started, I came out against the war at that moment," Biden told NPR.
But in multiple public remarks made after the invasion began in 2003, Biden openly supported the effort. Biden publicly said his vote was a mistake as early as 2005, but not immediately when the war began in 2003.
"Nine months ago, I voted with my colleagues to give the president of the United States of America the authority to use force, and I would vote that way again today," Biden said in a speech at the Brookings Institution on July 31, 2003. "It was a right vote then, and it'll be a correct vote today."

[BeyondGeography]

5. That's what I was referring to

Link to tweet

[questionseverything]

11. ikr

we are throwing away this election , is what it looks like to me

[BeyondGeography]

13. I think that's the worst thing he's said so far

But I'm a freak about that issue.

[questionseverything]

16. its upside down world

he votes for it,denies why he votes for it,says he was immediately sorry then o years later he wasn't sorry

[George II]

2. You didn't include this:

And he says this is a very different campaign because of Donald Trump.

"We weren't facing anything that we're facing today with this president three years ago," said Biden. "The next president is going to have to be able to pull the world back together. Not a joke. Literally, not figuratively, pull the world back together, reunite our allies. ... Four more years of this president, there will be no NATO."

What has been presented here seems to be trying to say that Biden disagreed with Clinton's positions in 2016, which he hasn't whatsoever. In fact, he's not criticizing Clinton or her positions at all, and most importantly he NEVER SAID what is in the subject line of the OP:

Hillary Clinton lost because she had different positions than Obama

The word "lost" isn't even in the headline OR the body of the article!!!

Why was the headline of the article rewritten and why wasn't the tone of the article presented?

[questionseverything]

7. from the article

But if voters wanted a third term of the Obama administration, would they not have chosen Hillary Clinton in 2016? Biden disagreed with that assessment.
"I campaigned like the devil for Hillary, but Hillary had different positions than the president had, and she emphasized different aspects of what would have occurred had I been the nominee," said Biden. "That doesn't mean I would've won. I don't mean that."


so I think he does say she had different positions and since we know she didn't win,it is inferred he is explaining her lose

[George II]

9. Yes, that quote is in the OP, but that's where the presentation of Biden's words....

...come to a screeching halt.

Plus he never said that was the reason Clinton lost, nor did he even "infer" that.

[LiberalFighter]

21. Too many times I find NPR twisting it.

[frazzled]

8. That wasn't what he said

He was challenged on running on support for Obama-era programs (not wholly true) and asked “if people wanted a third Obama term, wouldn’t Hillary Clinton have won in 2016?”

He disagreed with the premise, suggesting that Hillary had some different positions or emphases than he would have had, and stressed that this was not to say he would have won either.

Consider this the “ask a silly question and you’ll get a silly answer” situation. A faulty premise. What it does not appear to be, however, is him saying she lost because she had different positions than Obama (which she pretty much did not, anyway, in the general sense).

Don’t make it worse by skewing the report of the answer.

[George II]

10. Exactly. Some are trying to read something into his words that simply doesn't exist.

Wonder why people do that?

[still_one]

15. Thank you. Same media midrepresentations

[still_one]

12. Hillary lost because of Comey, the Sarandon's, Brianna Joy Gray, Cornel West, David

Sirota, Nina Turner, and those other self-identified progressives who who not only voted for Jill Stein, but encouraged others to do like wise, along with the deplorable press coverage coverage by spewing the LIE that the emails investigation had been reopened, and last but not least the foreign interference, and the social media platforms allowing illegal data mining from Cambridge analytical and the like

[pnwmom]

14. Her positions got her 2.9 million more votes than DT. She lost because of Russian interference,

the vote suppression of millions of votes, and Comey announcing the reopening of the email investigation.

And the whole election ended up turning on 80,000 votes spread across three states that had been heavily impacted by voter suppression.

[still_one]

17. She also lost because of people like Sarandon, Grey, Sirota, Turner, Cornell West and other self-

Identified progressives, who not only voted for Jill Stein, but encouraged others to do likewise

It didn’t take much either

In everyone of those critical swing states Hillary lost by less than 1%, Jill Stein received 1% in those states

As someone also pointed out that isn’t quite what Biden said, and misrepresented the situation

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287263668#post8


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=263676

[pnwmom]

18. Yes, that's all true, still_one n/t

[still_one]

19. and that is one reason why Warren has been gaining momentum I believe, because many recognize who

who were behind trying to undermine Hillary in the GE

[blm]

20. Vote suppression in swing states stole that election

HRC did not lose. The WH and DNC should have worked harder to secure the election process in the years before the 2016 election.