So Bernie's spokesman says he didn't slip and that he got 7 stitches -- which is significant --

[pnwmom]

out of "precaution."

If he didn't slip and he didn't fall, then how did he get a cut that required 7 stitches? That's a lot of stitches just to be cautious.

They seem to be holding something back. The story doesn't make sense.

ON EDIT: The accident also gave him a black eye. Ouch! He's lucky it wasn't worse.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/15/bernie-sanders-shower-door-1223545

Sanders cut his head on the edge of the shower door, his campaign said, but did not fall.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/bernie-sanders-shower-injury-stitches

Sen. Bernie Sanders received seven stitches after cutting his head on the edge of a glass shower door on Friday morning during a trip to South Carolina, according to his campaign.

Sanders, the 77-year-old Vermont senator who launched his second presidential campaign last month, received a “clean bill of health” after treating the cut “out of precaution” at a walk-in clinic, said campaign spokesperson Arianna Jones.

The senator did not sustain the injury by slipping, Jones said.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Could be he banged his head on the sharp corner of a glass shower door

without slipping. But a cut requiring seven stitches is going to be pretty nasty.

[pnwmom]

2. How would you do that, other than slipping or falling? n/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

8. No idea - but I don't know that this is necessarily something sinister or suspicious.

I'm supposing, though, that his people are trying to make sure that the incident isn't spun to make him seem feeble because of his age.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

36. Bernie should "come clean" over this shower incident...he needs to provide "full transparency" about

the shower door. This could be the ultimate "shower-water-gate"... just a ruse to get the sympathy vote?! I demand answers!! LOL!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[JoeOtterbein]

56. Are you sure they don't have other "dirt" on him?

Hahahahahahah!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

61. Hahahaha, yes!! Good one!! If true, Bernie's sure to get "washed out" of the race.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[JoeOtterbein]

64. Or he might need to

"bleach" his emails!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

74. Bernie surely won't get "worked up into a lather" over it...

he should just let 'em just go "down the drain," tho the MSM will surely "pipe up" and bring the whole incident to a (shower)head!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Blue_true]

27. I have banged me head on shower doors before.

That is why I changed over to soft curtains. My problem was more a position thing, I thought that I was in a spot that I wasn't and made a fast move and wham!! I still have a problem with kitchen cabinets but fortunately mine are built in high enough and have soft edges, so I don't get hurt.

[JoeOtterbein]

63. Little kitchen hack:

Note that professional kitchens rarely put shelf-stable food or clean serviceware in closed cabinets. That is because vermin like roaches and rats prefer to be unseen in a dark place.

Take the cabinet doors off the food and serviceware cabinets (lock cabinets, which should be the lowest cabinets, with cleaning chemicals and other toxic stuff).

You will find your work in the kitchen is not only safer, but easier and faster!

[Blue_true]

286. I see professional kitchens, but in a home?

The doors off the top would look bad, the main feature of kitchen cabinets are the doors. I can see locking the lower cabinets, especially if kids are around.

BTW, I was doing some reading about natural mosquito repellents and came upon several articles about peppermint. Peppermint is marginal with mosquitos (depend upon how hungry she is), but according to several articles, mice really hate it and won't go near it. Fortunately I don't have an issue with mice, but a friend that owns a professional kitchen tried peppermint for mice and love the results. Apparently, even in the cleanest professional kitchens mice can be a bear to keep out.

[TCJ70]

35. At this point I have to ask...are you saying you've never...

...accidentally run into something? Stubbed a toe? Hit your funny bone?

There’s more than one way to bump your head on something other than slipping or falling.

I’m a chronic toe stubber. It’s like a second job for me. Accidents happen but not to you apparently?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

38. Maybe you need to resign from your first job, immediately?!?! haha!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[pnwmom]

46. Of course I've bumped into things. But I've never bumped my FACE into something because my eyes

are on my face -- just like Bernie's -- and I could see the thing and stop myself first. (Except playing basketball, when I did get bashed in my face by another player's elbow. But that's not Bernie's story.)

I could understand though, if he had slipped or started to fall -- which can happen to anyone! My son got a bad cut when he fell and knocked his face on the corner of a table.

But they're insisting Bernie didn't slip or fall.

[TCJ70]

50. So he has to have slipped/fallen because you can't...

...think of other ways to hit your head on something?

He couldn’t possibly have simply turned too fast while getting out of the shower and hit the door? That wouldn’t require a slip or fall. Maybe I’m just too used to hurting myself to buy into this particular conspiracy theory.

[vsrazdem]

96. Doesn't matter about your eyes. When on a road trip my dad once went to walked into a fast food

restaurant, and walked straight into the glass. It was so clean he thought it was an open area, and he was looking right at it.

[NurseJackie]

157. "But they're insisting Bernie didn't slip or fall." That means he fainted. Was it a cardiac syncope...

But they're insisting Bernie didn't slip or fall.

That means he fainted. Was it a cardiac syncope episode?

I think it's entirely possible that it could have been a cardiac syncope episode... one where he actually lost consciousness (or nearly lost consciousness) and then hit his head as a result.

I get the feeling that people aren't being forthcoming about this as the story keeps changing. Also the treatment that was CLAIMED to have been received is inconsistent with standard practice when an elderly person hits their head with enough force to cause a laceration (or even just a goose-egg/bruise).

In my opinion, this is much more serious than people are letting on (for obvious reasons). Nevertheless, people deserve to know the truth about the health of ALL candidates and whether or not he (or she) actually has the stamina to perform the strenuous duties and keep the long hours required to be the Leader of the Free World.

http://tinyurl.com/y44ktoxx (short URL goes to heart.org)

What is cardiac syncope?

Cardiac or cardiovascular syncope is caused by various heart conditions, such as bradycardia, tachycardia or certain types of hypotension. It can increase the risk of sudden cardiac death.

People suspected of having cardiac syncope but who don't have serious medical conditions may be managed as outpatients. Further inpatient evaluation is needed if serious medical conditions are present. Conditions that may warrant hospital evaluation and treatment include various cardiac arrhythmic conditions, cardiac ischemia, severe aortic stenosis and pulmonary embolism. If evaluation suggests cardiac vascular abnormalities, an ambulatory external or implantable cardiac monitor may be required.

Heart failure, atrial fibrillation and other serious cardiac conditions can cause recurrent syncope in older adults, with a sharp increase after age 70.

What are the risk factors?

Syncope is common, but adults over age 80 are at greater risk of hospitalization and death.

Younger people without cardiac disease but who've experienced syncope while standing or have specific stress or situational triggers aren't as likely to experience cardiac syncope.

Cardiac syncope is a higher risk in: people older than age 60; men; presence of known heart disease; brief palpitations or sudden loss of consciousness; fainting during exertion; fainting while supine; an abnormal cardiac exam; or family history of inheritable conditions. Other existing conditions and medications used are particularly important in older patients.

[vsrazdem]

167. Bullshit

[NurseJackie]

171. I certainly hope I'm wrong, but the changing story and inconsistent explanations...

I certainly hope I'm wrong, but the changing story and inconsistent explanations coming out about this lead me to believe that there's more to the story than meets the eye.

I think it's perfectly natural for ordinary people to be dismissive and to cover up their embarrassment by saying things like "oh, it's nothing" and "just a little bump" and "I'll be fine" and "don't worry". (Nobody like to make-a-fuss... and people generally don't like being "fussed-over".)

But when it's someone who's seeking to be the Leader of the Free World, I believe that the American people deserve to hear the truth and to have all the information presented in an honest and forthcoming way. No more of the dismissive "nothing to see here, move along" responses. That's the type of attitude that suggests things are worse than they're letting on... and that they just hope it will blow-over and be quickly forgotten.

I just know that the way it's being described... how it unfolded... the changes in the story... the claimed treatment... the claims that there was no x-ray or scan performed, well, it just doesn't add up to me. I feel like there are inconsistencies and omitted information which leads me to believe something else is going on. I think there's a possibility that there could be an underlying condition.

All I'm saying is, when people aren't completely forthcoming, they only make things worse. It's true when it comes to a candidate's tax returns, and it's true when it comes to a candidate's health.

[vsrazdem]

174. I'm sorry, but no. If there was any bradycardia or arrhythmias, there is no way he would have been

discharged. They would have kept him for at last a 24-hour observation. This is not a story. People just want to make it out to be one because it's Bernie Sanders.

[NurseJackie]

179. His regular geriatrician would know these things, but a "walk in" clinic...

His regular geriatrician would know these things, but a "walk in" clinic is only aware of what they're told. If they know a patient's full and honest history, then they'll respond appropriately. If the walk-in clinic is given incomplete information and if the patient refuses the recommended follow up (xrays, scans, etc) then there's very little they can do to force the issue.

Look, I don't blame him. I'd do the same thing too. I'd want to be in-and-out as quickly as possible. I'd want the bare minimum (stitches and a bandage) just to have it over and done with. Especially if I didn't feel like sharing my medical history.

This is not a story.

Actually, yes it is. There's another important element to this as well. Something that's bigger than whether one person is a little embarrassed and doesn't want to cause a fuss... it's bigger than the concerns about HIPAA standards and privacy issues.

People just want to make it out to be one because it's Bernie Sanders.

No, because it's someone who's running to become the President of the United States. Voters deserve to know if the person they're voting for is healthy and whether he (or she) has the physical stamina and whether he (or she) is mentally up to the arduous schedule.

[NurseJackie]

190. I recall that there was plenty of concern. You know what else I recall?

Where was all this concern last time...

I recall that there was plenty of concern. You know what else I recall? That there was much more transparency and consistency regarding the information the voters received.

You're making a legitimate comparison in asking that question, and there are distinct and meaningful differences. I think that most reasonable people can see, understand and appreciate those differences, too.

All I'm saying is that it's perfectly reasonable for people to want to know ALL the facts regarding something like this. Also, it's not unreasonable for voters to be suspicious when the story keeps changing and when the responses are evasive.

Fact of the matter is: People deserve to know the truth about a candidate's health, any underlying issues that he (or she) may have, what's being done to treat it, and what his (or her) long term prognosis is.

That's only fair and honest. It's a reasonable request. I think we can both agree on that.

[melman]

226. .

[lapucelle]

301. Even though his eyes are on his face, his glasses may have been on the sink.

People seldom wear their glasses in the shower.

[George II]

166. A few years I passed out and fell, cut my chin and needed five stitches. My doctor...

...was trying different blood pressure medication, the one I was on that week reduced my BP too much.

I've never needed seven stitches from stubbing a toe or hitting my funny bone. I've also walked into a sliding glass door thinking it was open, no stitches.

[TCJ70]

169. I'm glad you didn't need stitches when you ran into the door...

...that doesn’t mean no one needs stitches ever for door related injuries. The lack of imagination, which at this point seems willful, in this thread in regards to how someone can bump their head is astounding. With a glass shower door, some of which have metal trim, all you have to do is turn wrong getting out to hit it. Not hard to do...and I speak from experience.

[R B Garr]

256. Yeah, maybe this was a biopsy instead?? Why are they

changing stories about whether he slipped or not. It’s really a strange and unexplainable development.

[George II]

261. Well, if it was the result of banging his head on the edge of a door, in a day or so....

....we'll be seeing bruising and swelling.

[NurseJackie]

324. His eye is swollen shut. It's BAD! (screen caps inside)

we'll be seeing bruising and swelling.

His eye is swollen shut. It's BAD! I knew it was much worse than we were being told. That's not just an ordinary bump! He had to have hit his head HARD! This is NOT good news.

[Maru Kitteh]

363. Jeezuz. Look at that extensive periorbital and paranasal swelling!

That is a serious head injury.

What is he not telling us? Did he have an episode of syncope and if so why? That looks like a completely unguarded strike, the kind that usually happens with a loss of consciousness.

[NurseJackie]

364. I'm totally convinced that he fainted and hit something HARD, or...

... he became dizzy (a cardiac syncope episode) and even if he didn't pass out completely BEFORE the impact, there's no way that he didn't black out AFTER a hit like that.

Actually, I'm insulted that his campaign hasn't been more forthcoming about what happened, what the underlying cause is/was and what the prognosis is.

[progressoid]

130. I got 2 staples in my noggin a few months ago from hitting my head on a door frame.

I bent over to pick up some tools and BANG - cut on the top of my head. Pretty easy actually. This was a pine door frame which is kind of soft. I imagine if it had been something harder like metal or glass, it would have been worse.

I took a picture of it and sent it to my wife. I was going to just let it go, but she wanted me to go to the emergency dept as a precaution. They gave me a couple staples and a tetanus shot.

I'm 54.

[pnwmom]

131. You were bent over. How did the door frame get under your face? Were you on a ladder?

[progressoid]

140. I hit the TOP of my head on the edge of the door jamb.

I was standing on the floor and bent over to pick up some tools (had been remodeling the bathroom). I simply misjudged how far away the door was and bonked my head on the door jamb.

[Mr Tibbs]

168. It's a tall person thing

We bang our heads routinely. We get tasked with changing light bulbs, and putting the star on the xmas tree. It is our fate as tall folk.

[lapucelle]

184. I'm tall, and I don't "bang my head routinely".

I hope you're not implying that BS "bangs his head routinely".

[Mr Tibbs]

230. Well I do

...on accident, of course...

[lapucelle]

234. Then it would be more accurate to say, "I bang my head frequently".

[George II]

260. Hmmmm.

[Pachamama]

304. Bernie is tall?

[RandySF]

89. My elderly dad did that.

[NurseJackie]

156. When they say "without slipping" to me that means "he fainted unexpectedly," and that's...

When they say "without slipping" to me that means "he fainted unexpectedly," and that's... entirely possible that it could have been a cardiac syncope episode... one where he actually lost consciousness (or nearly lost consciousness) and then hit his head as a result.

I get the feeling that people aren't being forthcoming about this as the story keeps changing. Also the treatment that was CLAIMED to have been received is inconsistent with standard practice when an elderly person hits their head with enough force to cause a laceration (or even just a goose-egg/bruise).

In my opinion, this is much more serious than people are letting on (for obvious reasons). Nevertheless, people deserve to know the truth about the health of ALL candidates and whether or not he (or she) actually has the stamina to perform the strenuous duties and keep the long hours required to be the Leader of the Free World.

http://tinyurl.com/y44ktoxx (short URL goes to heart.org)

What is cardiac syncope?

Cardiac or cardiovascular syncope is caused by various heart conditions, such as bradycardia, tachycardia or certain types of hypotension. It can increase the risk of sudden cardiac death.

People suspected of having cardiac syncope but who don't have serious medical conditions may be managed as outpatients. Further inpatient evaluation is needed if serious medical conditions are present. Conditions that may warrant hospital evaluation and treatment include various cardiac arrhythmic conditions, cardiac ischemia, severe aortic stenosis and pulmonary embolism. If evaluation suggests cardiac vascular abnormalities, an ambulatory external or implantable cardiac monitor may be required.

Heart failure, atrial fibrillation and other serious cardiac conditions can cause recurrent syncope in older adults, with a sharp increase after age 70.

What are the risk factors?

Syncope is common, but adults over age 80 are at greater risk of hospitalization and death.

Younger people without cardiac disease but who've experienced syncope while standing or have specific stress or situational triggers aren't as likely to experience cardiac syncope.

Cardiac syncope is a higher risk in: people older than age 60; men; presence of known heart disease; brief palpitations or sudden loss of consciousness; fainting during exertion; fainting while supine; an abnormal cardiac exam; or family history of inheritable conditions. Other existing conditions and medications used are particularly important in older patients.

[lapucelle]

181. It looks like it must have hurt...

[Sneederbunk]

3. Be advised Bernie, you are receiving the Hillary treatment early.

[pnwmom]

4. So, you think he should get a Guy Pass? Even though his story doesn't make sense?

Link to tweet

Bernie Sanders hits head in shower, needs stitches: What a warrior! And he just keeps on campaigning!

Hillary Clinton passes out after attending 9/11 service in 100 degree heat, while wearing Kevlar, with a fever: She has Parkinson's! She uses a body double! She's so shifty!

[betsuni]

20. Perfect! (Not enough room to mention the full body brace and bolts falling out of her pant leg.)

[Cha]

21. lol.. ".. a guy pass.. " No he

Does NOT.

[R B Garr]

26. That is a brilliant tweet/observation about the vile double

standards Hillary was subjected to.

Bernie needs to explain why he got stitches and what really happened. Transparency.

[melman]

32. Yet here you are doing the exact same thing

Odd.

[Cha]

39. No, she's Not. Not the same. Asking

questions because the report seems odd.. is not the same as trying to put Hillary on her death bed when she fainted.

[melman]

44. Yeah it is the same

Gross tabloid speculation about a person's health. It's exactly the same.

[Cha]

48. No it's Not. "preventive stitches"? ".. didn't

Last edited Sun Mar 17, 2019, 01:53 AM - Edit history (1)

fall.."? they should just be transparent and tell the public what happened. BS is running for potus.. he's not some private citizen.

[vsrazdem]

106. This is a nonstory. This is described in medical lingo all the time. Instead of using Steri-Strips

or skin glue, if the person is going to be active, as a "precaution" they use the stitches instead. There is nothing sinister here.

[Cha]

112. How did it happen if BS "didn't

slip or fall"?

[vsrazdem]

115. Turned to get out of the shower and hit his head on the glass door. Some of these showers have

half doors, it almost happened to my at my daughter's house, as I was not used to that type of shower. It is not that difficult to do.

[Cha]

268. I still don't see how

anyone could hit a shower door and need stitches?

A big bump but stitches?

[TCJ70]

277. Some shower doors have metal trim on them...

...that may interlock with other metal trim to create a loose seal. Turning into that could certainly lead to a bad time.

[NurseJackie]

283. Cheap DIY tub conversions from the 70s...

... it's highly unlikely that a modern hotel uses those.

[TCJ70]

285. You can still buy the style I'm talking about today. Nothing DIY about it...

https://www.homedepot.com/p/STERLING-Standard-48-in-x-65-in-Framed-Sliding-Shower-Door-in-Silver-with-Handle-660B-SP-46S/202952283

That’s just one example of door. I’m not saying it was this door in particular.

[NurseJackie]

288. Yes I know. I shop at home Depot too.

Unless Bernie is staying at a remodeled roadside Thunderbird Motel, he's unlikely to encounter something like that. No need to even bring it up as a possibility, that's all I'm saying.

[TCJ70]

292. There are 509 framed sliding glass shower doors on sale at Home Depot...

... it not the rarity you describe. Here’s a link...

https://www.homedepot.com/b/Bath-Showers-Shower-Doors/Bypass-Sliding/Framed/N-5yc1vZbzcgZ1z0p93lZ1z0p99g?catStyle=ShowProducts&storeSelection=914,989,970,917,4150

[NurseJackie]

294. It's rare in modern hotels. It's 70s style home conversion.

I never said that it wasn't commonly available. It's unclear to me why this irrelevant point is so important. Fact is, Bernie isn't likely to encounter it in a modern hotel. Do you want to refute that? Or bicker about home Depot stock?

[TCJ70]

296. Glad you've done the modern hotel survey...

...where can I read it?

EDIT: Better question, what hotel was he staying at? Maybe we can figure out what kind of door they have that way...

[NurseJackie]

298. You know I'm right.

This is getting silly. Let it go.

Edit: if you care so much, research it and let us know.

[ehrnst]

345. The campaign would not say what hotel he was at, so that's not possible. (nt)

[lapucelle]

208. Do you have a link to some of the "medical lingo" that advises stiches as a precaution

for active people?

[Cha]

269. That would be good.

[Cha]

276. Didn't say it was "sinister".. just needs

more explanation than.. he got 7 stitches on a shower door.. and he didn't slip or fall.

How could he have hit it that hard to break the skin and require all those stitches?

[ehrnst]

357. Web MD doesn't describe that 'lingo'

Nothing here about difference in needing stitches vs glue depending on if one is 'going to be active." The scalp is not an area of movement like an elbow or knee, so I'm not seeing where stitches there would be impacted by activity.

https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/stitches-staples-glue#1

Maybe you have another source?

[pnwmom]

54. I'm not speculating about his health. I didn't say a word about his health.

All I've said is his story doesn't make sense, and no one gets 7 stitches just "out of precaution."

For some reason they're holding something back.

[melman]

59. Of course not

You merely said what they said about his health isn't true.


That's totally different.

[pnwmom]

65. I'm questioning what they said about how it occurred -- that he didn't fall or slip.

Anyone can slip on a towel or some water in a bathroom, and it doesn't have anything to do with their health.

[R B Garr]

85. Precautionary stitches sounds made up. You're right; no one

gets stitches out of precaution. Why make things up.

[Autumn]

165. They do go to walk-in clinics out of "precaution". A person's head will

bleed profusely from even a minor cut. Sounds like that's what his staff did.

[George II]

172. I worked weekends in an emergency room for about three years, we had lots of head wounds....

....but no one ever got stitches "out of precaution". Either a patient needs stitches or he doesn't, especially on a forehead that will leave a large scar forever.

[cannabis_flower]

207. I think they meant...

He went to urgent care out of precaution and they recommended stitches. People get injuries all the time and don't go anywhere and usually it heals up anyway.

[blue cat]

119. It's a legitimate concern

Especially since I believe they are lying about not slipping or falling. No way he hit hard enough for 7 stitches from just turning or something like that. I’m a nurse, so we’re taught that if someone trips or falls, look at medical cause first before blaming it on i.e. tripping on a carpet.
Could it be medication that caused him to slip?

[NurseJackie]

173. "Could it be medication that caused him to slip?" Maybe... but I fear it was cardiac syncope.

"Could it be medication that caused him to slip?"

Maybe... but I fear it was cardiac syncope.

I think it's entirely possible that it could have been a cardiac syncope episode... one where he actually lost consciousness (or nearly lost consciousness) and then hit his head as a result.

I get the feeling that people aren't being forthcoming about this as the story keeps changing. Also the treatment that was CLAIMED to have been received is inconsistent with standard practice when an elderly person hits their head with enough force to cause a laceration (or even just a goose-egg/bruise).

In my opinion, this is much more serious than people are letting on (for obvious reasons). Nevertheless, people deserve to know the truth about the health of ALL candidates and whether or not he (or she) actually has the stamina to perform the strenuous duties and keep the long hours required to be the Leader of the Free World.

http://tinyurl.com/y44ktoxx (short URL goes to heart.org)

What is cardiac syncope?

Cardiac or cardiovascular syncope is caused by various heart conditions, such as bradycardia, tachycardia or certain types of hypotension. It can increase the risk of sudden cardiac death.

People suspected of having cardiac syncope but who don't have serious medical conditions may be managed as outpatients. Further inpatient evaluation is needed if serious medical conditions are present. Conditions that may warrant hospital evaluation and treatment include various cardiac arrhythmic conditions, cardiac ischemia, severe aortic stenosis and pulmonary embolism. If evaluation suggests cardiac vascular abnormalities, an ambulatory external or implantable cardiac monitor may be required.

Heart failure, atrial fibrillation and other serious cardiac conditions can cause recurrent syncope in older adults, with a sharp increase after age 70.

What are the risk factors?

Syncope is common, but adults over age 80 are at greater risk of hospitalization and death.

Younger people without cardiac disease but who've experienced syncope while standing or have specific stress or situational triggers aren't as likely to experience cardiac syncope.

Cardiac syncope is a higher risk in: people older than age 60; men; presence of known heart disease; brief palpitations or sudden loss of consciousness; fainting during exertion; fainting while supine; an abnormal cardiac exam; or family history of inheritable conditions. Other existing conditions and medications used are particularly important in older patients.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. Yup, it's the old "Bernie double-standard" trick... I see the point.

but, missed it by THAT much!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[backscatter712]

221. It was Russian bots spreading rumors of Hillary's poor health in 2016.

It wasn't right when it happened to her, it isn't right to be bashing Bernie for a simple slip-and-fall.

Let's move on, shall we?

GO WARREN!!!

[Cha]

19. Oh Balderdash! BS is getting VETTED.

NEWSFLASH!!! Hillary isn't Running

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

45. No, Hillary clarified that saying "I'm NOT running" means she MIGHT run...which means she IS running

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

354. ???

[Blue_true]

30. Not really. The health of an old candidate will always be an issue.

Bernie could be much healthier than younger people but will be watched closer.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. Bernie IS much healthier than most young candidates, but health's a fair issue as it was for Hillary

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[redstateblues]

87. Much healthier than most young candidates? Really?

That’s a ridiculous statement with no data. Like Beto, Booker, Harris etc. I think not.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

132. Okay, maybe not Beto.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

340. IKR? Harris, Buttigieg, Gillibrand, Booker, Gabbard, O'Rourke

[NurseJackie]

366. All you can do is laugh at the absurdity of it all.

[lunamagica]

97. How do you know that?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

135. You can see it from the energy Bernie gives off & the incredibly busy campaign schedule he keeps up.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TexasTowelie]

142. ...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

176. Bernie is pretty active. He doesn't stay up all night and sleep all day. He works.

[ehrnst]

356. For a 77 year old man with a desk job, he's active.

[George II]

162. No we can't. At best we "see" him for about an hour or two a day.

[ehrnst]

355. See post #348

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=28658

[awesomerwb1]

126. Beyond ridiculous

"Much" healthier than most young candidates....wow.

Must have the same doctor as trump.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

134. Okay, I meant to say AS healthy as most younger candidates, perhaps, with the exception of Beto.

Can't surmise that Bernie is MORE healthy than they are, that's true.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[treestar]

189. What do you know about the health of Sens. Harris, Klobuchar and Warren

and 37 year old Rep. Gabbard?

Your statement is wishful thinking to the utmost.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

193. Obviously, my statement is based on OBSERVATION...Bernie has the energy & stamina of any candidate.

He campaigns longer and harder than anyone. Surely, you see that!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[treestar]

306. Are you sure you've observed the others

enough to be able to actually allege that they campaign less? Even so, it would not mean their health is not better.

[ehrnst]

338. Your flurry of anxious posts here totally shows complete faith

that nothing said here on DU could harm him in the least.

[sheshe2]

348. Sorry, no.

He campaigns longer and harder than anyone. Surely, you see that!

…………………………………………….

Texas has 254 counties. Beto O’Rourke has campaigned against Ted Cruz in each of them.

After tens of thousands of miles on the road, hundreds of town hall meetings and innumerable cups of coffee, U.S. Rep. Beto O’Rourke made the final stop on his much-ballyhooed tour of all 254 Texas counties on Saturday, visiting Gainesville in his continuing bid to unseat U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz this fall.

Over the last 15 months, O’Rourke’s county-by-county driving tour has taken him all over the state, from his hometown of El Paso on the Mexican border to Cooke County in the north, where he held a town hall on Saturday afternoon.

Read More:https://www.texastribune.org/2018/06/09/beto-o-rourke-ted-cruz-texas-254-counties/

[ehrnst]

353. See post #348.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=28658

[NurseJackie]

159. LOL! No he's not.

Bernie IS much healthier than most young candidates,

LOL! No he's not. What an absurd thing to say.

[lapucelle]

191. I wonder if the doctor advised him to rest after the injury. N/T

[NurseJackie]

197. Probably, but generally people disregard those types of instructions from their doctors.

I wonder if the doctor advised him to rest after the injury. N/T

Probably, but generally people disregard those types of instructions from their doctors. And I guess that's "okay" for ordinary people.

But it rises to a different level when someone who hopes to be the Leader of the Free World ignores the instructions of a medical professional.

All I'm saying is that if any candidate behaved like that, well... it's something that would make me question his (or her) judgement and his (or her) ability to accept advice from experts to avoid complications. It could have unanticipated consequences and far reaching implications.

I just know that I like to look at all aspects about a candidate, and how they make decisions is just one of many things I consider when searching for clues as to what kind of leader he (or she) would be.

[lapucelle]

201. I just read on this thread that (some) "Tall people routinely bang their heads".

I don't know if that's true, but I hope he's careful going forward.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

218. Yes, me too... wishing all candidates well out on the campaign trail.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[lapucelle]

235. Who needs medical school?

Tall people frequently bang their heads.

If the person is going to be active, as a "precaution" they use the stitches. It's described in medical lingo all the time.

Relative health of several individuals can be accurately assessed through the casual observation of their public appearances.

[NurseJackie]

291. He's not that tall. Maybe at one time he was...

... but the osteoporosis makes him seem shorter.

[lapucelle]

297. Has he ever released a medical report? He did look refreshed and well-rested

until he banged his head, as people of his height (reportedly) routinely do.

[Tipperary]

320. Yeah, he always looks bent over to me.

Plus, we all shrink as we age.

[NurseJackie]

321. Yeah, there's "shrinking" from spinal compression...

Plus, we all shrink as we age.

Yeah, there's "shrinking" from spinal compression that almost everyone experiences to some degree. But it's the osteoporosis that causes people to have the appearance of a sunken neck and hunched-over shoulders. My mother suffered from that and it was debilitating for her. She could barely look ahead when using her walker.



Fortunately, the condition itself wasn't painful for her, but it caused her to have to strain in order to try to function "normally" and that often caused discomfort and muscle aches. I'm definitely a candidate, but my bone density is "normal" for my age (lord, I hate that disclaimer... I want to slap my doctor whenever I hear it )

[Blue_true]

287. I had buffalo wings once just after oral surgery on both sides of the back of my mouth.

Foolish, but my land were those wings good.

[NurseJackie]

289. Glad you enjoyed them...

... and that the pain was worth it.

[lapucelle]

194. That kind of unsupported claim almost reminds me of what Dr. Bornstein said...

Doctor: Trump Would Be 'Healthiest Individual Ever Elected' President

https://www.npr.org/2015/12/14/459700154/doctor-trump-would-be-healthiest-individual-ever-elected-president

Is there any way of actually knowing such a thing?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

200. See my clarification above. (#134 & #193)

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[lapucelle]

202. How would anybody know that? N/T

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

213. See #193 above.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[lapucelle]

214. So there is no way to know it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

216. Again, see #193 above... it's based on observation & logic.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

351. Your personal unsupported observations are not the same as "logic."

You are a fan, and that's what you believe about him. Your observations are not shared by others, so you need more than to simply say that your observations= logic.

Trump fans think he's in great shape, too. It doesn't make it true.

See post #348 for an example of providing backup for one's claim about a candidate's endurance.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=28658

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

195. See my clarification above. (#134 & #193)

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

350. Those posts say that you THINK this, and provide no backup other than

you think it's true.

Simply referring to it again and again it doesn't make it more valid.

Persistence in insisting on something doesn't = it being evidence based.

See post #348 for an example of evidence: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=28658

[George II]

330. Yesterday (Sunday):

[NurseJackie]

332. In these photos, Bernie's bruising and MASSIVE swelling looks quite serious to me. I can't believe...

In these photos, Bernie's bruising and MASSIVE swelling looks quite serious to me. I can't believe his doctor (even a "walk-in-clinic" doctor) would have given him the all-clear to continue on as if nothing had happened.

In my opinion, it makes more sense that the doctor's instructions were to rest for a few days before resuming the rigors of the campaign. Even if the doctor wasn't a geriatric specialist, he or she should know these things... and that these types of injuries are much more serious in the elderly.

It's my belief that the patient is ignoring doctor's orders (as many do) but something like this is definitely an example of bad judgement. All I'm saying is that people should trust their doctors and follow instructions.

As we can see, this is much worse than we were being told. That's not just an ordinary bump! It looks BAD... very bad! For the swelling to be that bad, he had to have hit his head HARD!

That's what a boxer's black-eye looks like, so we're talking some SERIOUS impact. Impacts as forceful as that are very likely to cause a concussion or internal bleeding. It's just INCONCEIVABLE to me that a doctor wouldn't have recommended xrays or scans... as a "precaution".

[George II]

336. Back when I worked in an emergency room (many years ago) we occasionally had patients....

....that refused treatment and/or ignored the advice of the attending physician.

Invariably most were back in a day or two.

[KitSileya]

358. Ouch! It's a good thing he hit his forehead and not his temple

I jumped and fell right on my forehead when I was 6, and went running up to my dad crying as I also scraped my knee. As he was cleaning the scrape, he looked up, saw my goose egg, grabbed me and my brother and hauled me to the ER. (My mom was out, hence he couldn't leave my brother home alone.) I wasn't even bleeding, as the skin hadn't split, but he knew hitting your head wasn't to be trifled with! I got an x-ray for my trouble, and the doctor told my dad I was lucky I hit my forehead and not my temple, as if I had hit that soft spot with that kind of force, I'd most likely be dead. As it was, I actually cracked my forehead bone, and I have a bump there to this day. That's because the bones in your head don't grow together like other bones; instead, the body "plasters" over the crack with more bone. Of course, at 6 my skull was a lot softer than an adult's, but on par in vulnerability with an elderly man, I would guess.


(I actually stopped wearing bangs because every time people got a glimpse of my forehead they'd exclaim in worry, thinking I just recently hit myself. Now I always have my hair scraped back, and no one reacts anymore, they're so used to seeing the bump.)

[NurseJackie]

359. [N]ew research is saying that even a single concussion may cause lasting brain damage.

https://www.npr.org/2013/03/15/174409382/can-just-one-concussion-change-the-brain

But new research is saying that even a single concussion may cause lasting brain damage. The new study compared brain scans from a group of healthy individuals and a group of concussion patients and found that after a year, those who suffered a concussion showed signs of structural brain damage in regions of the brain linked to mood disorders and depression.

But there is a, what I would call a significant minority - that can range anywhere between 10 and 20 percent, depending on what literature you read - that may go on to develop chronic problems.

And that may include problems with mood, being depressed or anxious, or maybe problems with headaches or balance, or maybe just difficulty with their thinking, having problems paying attention or concentrating. So it's a small percentage, but a significant minority.

FLANAGAN: So it's not surprising to me in that people can develop these long-lasting problems. I think what is striking about the study is that there's evidence of structural changes. There's actually a physical change in the brain that potentially may account for some of these problems that people have over the long term.

FLATOW: Problems such as?

FLANAGAN: Such as being anxious or depressed, perhaps having problems with their ability to pay attention, concentrate, plan and organize, solve problems. And these are some of the common symptoms that people who have what we know as post-concussion syndrome often complain about.

[KitSileya]

361. Not to mention, hitting one's head in childhood

Is something that has happened to very many serial killers, enough that it's a red flag alongside the typical trifecta of late bedwetting, pyromania, and cruelty to animals. However, I think Senator Sanders is a tad too old to worry about that - and so far, I haven't gone all homicidal either!

Seriously, though, I was lucky I didn't get a concussion (or break my neck considering how I injured myself - throwing myself off a bench to grab onto a carpet cleaning contraption, so I could swing back and forth by my arms like the older kids did, only I missed the crossbar.) Hopefully the Senator will relent and let himself be properly checked out - he does have that gold-plated health insurance congress critters get, after all.

[lapucelle]

192. How would anybody know that? N/T

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

196. See my clarification above. (#134 & #193)

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

349. Those posts say that what you think, not what anyone knows. (nt)

[ehrnst]

341. How would one know that he is "much healthier than most young candidates?"

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I understand that you think he's really really awesome, but that's a statement that can be proven or disproven with data.

I mean, a 77 year old man is "much healthier" than Harris, Buttigieg, Booker, Gillibrand, and Klobuchar?

Seriously?

I'll bite - do you have any data to support that claim?

His last medical information release didn't lend credence to the claim that he's "much healthier than most young candidates" even three years ago.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/14/nyregion/cory-booker-gillibrand-weight-loss-2020.html

https://www.instagram.com/p/Bq7aQnhh9Sr/?utm_source=ig_embed

https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/kamala-harris-interview-daily-routine.html

I work out every morning. Usually it’s half an hour on the elliptical or SoulCycle, and on the weekends Soul Survivor [a longer and more intense SoulCycle class]. Sometimes I swim if it’s not going to create an issue with my hair. Then I get ready. I usually stand at my kitchen counter eating some kind of Raisin Bran in almond milk while I look at my schedule for the day. It’s the generic Raisin Bran that I get from the grocery store — I try to not have a lot of sugar in it. I have tea with honey and lemon and then I’m out the door.

https://www.military.com/undertheradar/2018/10/15/vets-public-service-south-bend-mayor-pete-buttigieg.html

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

346. See my clarification above. (#134 & #193)

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

347. Did you read my post before replying?

AS healthy as most younger candidates, perhaps, with the exception of Beto.

See my post that you just responded to. His medical release from two years ago (see my previous post) did not indicate that he was "AS healthy as most younger candidates, perhaps, with the exception of Beto."

If you have data that shows differently that you can contrast to the other candidates that I gave you information on, please share it.

He campaigns longer and harder than anyone. Surely, you see that!

No, I don't. Again, that's a quantifiable statement, and "surely you can see that!" is not data. Surely, you aren't comparing him to these 20+ year younger than he is candidates... do you have data that quantifies this other than your observations and opinion that he is the awesomest? What data do you have on the younger candidates and how "long and hard" they campaign?

It's OK that *you think* that he's extraordinarily awesome and the most best in every way, bestowing on him feats of physical endurance and strength to rival those of candidates 20-30 years younger who work out daily. But that doesn't make him actually so by any quantifiable measure, and if other people talk about him like he's a 77 year old man, in average to good health for his age, that's no cause for one to be angry, defensive and frankly worried sounding.

You state that health "was an issue" with HRC, "so it's the same with Bernie." No one here attributed to HRC the extraordinary super health that you are doing. And she went through 11 hours of hostile questioning and never broke down or lost it, let alone got testy over being asked about tax returns.

If he is indeed all that you say, why the frantic replies to anyone here on that "doesn't get what you do about Bernie's total awesomeness?" All that will become very apparent on it's own, won't it? Do you think that he needs you swatting back at any and all commentary on his head injury, and that if you don't have his back, something awful will happen? Because it really seems like you do, and you aren't that confident that his candidacy can endure people's posts in this thread in Democratic Primaries on Democratic Underground.

[George II]

160. This isn't "Hillary treatment", it's vetting. If there are health or medical issues involved...

...shouldn't we know about them BEFORE we nominate him or elect him? And if there aren't any, it would be good to know that too.

Don't you wish we knew more about trump's medical and psychological history before the last election?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

222. Now I've heard EVERYTHING!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[WeekiWater]

211. No, he really isn't.

Probably thinks he is but few are scrutinized to the extent of a powerful woman.

[flotsam]

249. And mostly by the people

who were most outraged by the "Hillary Treatment" when it was applied to Hillary.

[ehrnst]

343. He's being vetted. Ambition for the Oval Office comes with scrutiny equal to the ambition.

Unless a politician is female, then her ambition is considered to be WAY more onerous, and therefore deserves even more scrutiny.

[marylandblue]

5. Are precaution stitches really a thing? nt

[Tipperary]

9. Lol, the ones I have received were never "precautionary." Usually I was bleeding pretty badly.

[pnwmom]

13. And facial wounds bleed a lot! One of my children needed five stitches in his forehead,

and the blood was gushing.

[Tipperary]

28. Yeah, I would think at his age, they would at least be worried about concussion.

Or anybody with a head injury, for that matter. It kind of beggars belief that someone as well known as Bernie, who had to be bleeding pretty badly, just walks in to a clinic. I mean, was he holding a blood-soaked towel to his head? Did someone patch him up first - like EMT personnel? I see what you mean about it being odd.

He was in the shower, so obviously had to get dried and dressed first. It just seems that someone would call EMTs when an elderly man injures himself in a hotel. For liability reasons if nothing else.

[pnwmom]

31. Right. This hotel could have a serious liability issue. They shouldn't have dangerous shower doors.

And the clinic should have gotten him a head x-ray at least, like they did for my son after his facial injury.

[Tipperary]

34. I would think calling EMTs would have been job number one.

Then they have documentation for the report they would have to make. Or maybe, he just walked past the front desk, nodded good morning, as he held a bloody something to his head. And no one noticed, lol.

[dewsgirl]

122. Yep, first time I had them non csection related, was last year

I would have bled to death without them. Who ever heard of precautionary stitches?

[George II]

305. I doubt any medical facility, even just a walk-in clinic, would permanently scar a person....

....as a precaution.

Seven stitches is a large wound, maybe an inch or more. That's going to be one large precautionary scar.

[flyingfysh]

12. It depends on where the injury is

I had an unfortunate encounter with a mop which had fallen across a doorway while I was distracted by pets. I fell, and my head hit the corner of a counter, and I bled all over. At the doctor office, he decided to go with basically some kind of glue instead of stitches, because the skin there didn't get stretched in normal use.

[Cha]

23. Never heard of them until right this

minute.

[Adrahil]

49. Yeah, never seen stitches given as a "precaution"

I don't wanna make too much f this, but that's completely silly.

[Cha]

80. ".. like he only needed a couple but

added 5 more as a precaution.."?! Say what?!

[justhanginon]

153. Maybe the clinic is paid by the stitch.

[dogman]

198. I have.

I've had a doctor say a wound could be taped wit a butterfly bandage but a stitch might be better for healing and scar prevention. When I was a teen I had a 1 inch gash on my eyebrow receive 12 stitches. I was fortunate the on duty doctor was a plastic surgeon who wanted to prevent my eye from drooping shut. This is completely silly but apparently there are a lot of medical professionals here who know so much more than the clinic he went to.

[pnwmom]

263. We don't know what the clinic knows. We don't know, for example, if he had an x-ray.

All we know is he had a significant gash, a black eye, and that the spokesperson said it wasn't caused by a slip or a fall.

[JaneQPublic]

82. I'm wearing a precautionary body cast now.

Safety first.

[True Blue American]

149. I really need to get one of those!

As a precaution, you know!

[ehrnst]

161. I thought that the visit to the walk-in clinic was the "precautionary" move.

Which messages that "it wasn't a serious injury" but the seven stitches needed indicates that is was indeed serious.

The repeating of "he didn't fall/slip" is interesting. Perhaps they didn't want people to assume that it was caused by something that is common in elderly people who are losing balance, or getting dizzy spells while otherwise healthy.

[msongs]

6. his story makes perfect sense esp given there is no proof of some other sinister

explanation. having run into several doors in my lifetime and slipped and fallen in a shower once long ago when I was 30-something I have no reasons to doubt him

[pnwmom]

10. You slipped and fell. They are saying he didn't slip and he didn't fall. So why do you think

his story makes sense?

[msongs]

15. because there is no reason to believe otherwise except your opinion that it is otherwise nt

[pnwmom]

24. Sober, healthy, sighted people don't tend to run into doors. Usually there is a reason,

and I don't understand why they're not sharing it.

If he slipped and/or fell, that would make sense. Many people have had bathroom slips, and would easily understand how this could happen. But I'm getting sick of politicians who don't tell the truth and this doesn't pass the smell test.

[TreasonousBastard]

53. He's five years older than me, and I've had serious balance issues...

directly related to aging. I've had a few bad falls that didn't cause permanent damage, but at least once a day I'm about to fall and manage to grab on to something. Once I feel myself keeling over, I'm down unless I can grab some support. Grab rails in the tub have stopped me from falling many times, but I still have little control other than holding on for dear life.

So, I could easily see Sanders going through this and getting a cut, but then denying it to try to stop the "he's old and unfit" talk.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

114. Now it's imbalance issues...oookaaayyyy, whatever! Maybe it's the alcoholism some are bandying about

or partial blindness... or maybe Crone's Disease?!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[TreasonousBastard]

133. It could be anything-- or nothing. Why are you so upset?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

136. LOL, I'm not upset in the SLIGHTEST, truly... actually, I'm quite AMUSED by

some of the wild speculation over Bernie bumping his head... I'm repeating it for LAUGHS because it's FUNNY!! Sorry if I sounded upset... this is me LMFAO!!



Seriously though, I bump my head, hard, sometime's as often as once a year...twice in my life I required stitches, once as a teen and, the other time, twenty years later. No one questioned my age, my alcoholic intake, my eyesight, or any imbalance.

That's why it's so funny that some here - not necessarily you - wanna make a scandal out of this ... next thing you know, they'll be calling for an FBI investigation!!

Hope this clarifies things.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

339. Frantic attempts to rebut every single post about this topic totally

clarifies things.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

327. "or maybe Crone's Disease?! "

Crohn's Disease is a chronic inflammation of the intestines. Why would it make you fall?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

84. So, now you're suggesting Bernie has a drinking problem?!?! Now I've heard everything!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[pnwmom]

100. No. It could be what some other people have suggested here -- that he slipped

on a towel or some water and just doesn't want to admit it.

Because he's superman or something.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. Oh okay... that was clever!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[ehrnst]

342. You'd think from some of the fan posts, wouldn't you?

"Healthier than most younger candidates."

[Bradshaw3]

98. Bullshit! People run into doors all the time

Thye ger distracted or aren't quite awake in the morning. It's ridivulous to sugges totherwise and comes from agenda. What doesn't pass the smell test is you trying to turn it into something sinister based on the fact -oh wait it's NOT a fact - it's you stating speculation that there must be something more, a LIE because it "doesn't pass the smell test" in your words. The only thing that lacks credibility is certain people refighting the 2016 primary over and over again. Some, in fact are obsessed on the subject.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

111. Ding! Ding! Ding!... We hava winner!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[Cha]

118. All you have are empty

accusations.. stop trying to deflect.

This has nothing to do with the past. This is the here and now.

BS is getting Vetted.

[vsrazdem]

99. And what medical expertise do you have to make this statement. This is bull.

Now trying to insinuate that he is either not sober, poor sighted or unhealthy. Please just stop.

[Cha]

25. I think pnwmom is asking good questions..

the story doesn't make sense to me, either.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. Yes, I demand a full investigation into "Shower-Water-gate"... Bernie needs to "come clean"

over this shower incident... the shower door excuse requires "full transparency"!! We need answers!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[True Blue American]

150. Why in the world

Would anyone lie about stitches as a precaution? Does not make sense.

There would be a record of either 911 or him being treated.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

215. Seriously... we need a full Senate investigation into "Shower Water-gate"!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

[True Blue American]

220. I could care less

But why in the world would anyone lie about something that would be recorded?

If he called 911 there would be a record. Same with anything that happened

[ORiGINAL Double D]

205. How tall is Bernie?

Let's try that one for size.

[Autumn]

155. Maybe they had a pivot shower door. You don't have to slip and fall to get hurt.

This is similar to mine. I've turned around when it's open hit it, and gotten bruised. This is like the crap Republicans and idiots pulled when Hillary had pneumonia.

https://www.build.com/dreamline-shdr-3634720/s1143941?uid=2737703&source=gg-gba-pla_2737703!c1655532377!a64347491195!dc!ng&gclid=CjwKCAjw4LfkBRBDEiwAc2DSlFsfY5sbaKb5Tu3B76QuO2weN72J1M9xj71NnrTPec-VNuErayxcYxoCmdIQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

[NurseJackie]

325. Doesn't look like a simple "turn around and bump his head" ... it's REALLY BAD (pics inside)

I've turned around when it's open hit it, and gotten bruised.

Doesn't look like a simple "turn around and bump his head" ... it's REALLY BAD. You can clearly see that it's turning purple (beneath the foundation powder makeup) and is eye IS swollen shut.

I knew it was much worse than we were being told. That's not just an ordinary bump! It looks BAD... very bad! He had to have hit his head HARD!

[George II]

328. I'm not a doctor but but if he merely hit the edge of a glass shower door and cut himself....

....why would his eye be swollen almost shut and bruised? That's an inch or so away from the cut.

Even the South Carolina newspapers have picked up on this:

https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/article227957214.html

"The Charleston Post and Courier said Sanders’ staff declined to disclose where Sanders stayed in the Charleston area or the name of the clinic he visited."

[Autumn]

329. I posted about my shower injury experience. I wouldn't presume to know how he was

injured, I just know it's possible to get hurt in the shower without slipping and falling . Nor do I presume to know how serious it is. I'm not his doctor, I commented on how a person can be injured in the shower without falling. But it looks like he's fine to me so I would guess stitches and a bandage took care of it.

[NurseJackie]

331. No, it doesn't look "fine" at all. That's a SERIOUS injury with MASSIVE swelling It's unrealistic...

But it looks like he's fine to me

No, it doesn't look "fine" at all. That's a SERIOUS injury with MASSIVE swelling It's unrealistic to believe that a responsible doctor would recommend he just continue on as if nothing had happened. That just doesn't make sense to me.

What makes more sense to me is the likelihood that the patient is ignoring the doctor's instructions to rest and take it easy for a few days. In my opinion, he's probably taking unnecessary risks with his health and that's not very smart.

All I'm saying is, I think it's important for the elderly to accept the fact that injuries like this are even MORE serious than they would be in someone who's half his age, or someone who's forty.

I certainly do hope that he takes it easy and heals quickly. We need him back in the Senate.

[Autumn]

333. What you want me to believe jackie? What you think of his injury with no proof of your opinions

on his injury or video of Bernie going about his day and his campaign unimpeded? hummm... I know. I'll go with what I see, not what you think. Don't bother answering my questions, I don't need an answer

[NurseJackie]

334. I'm going with what I see too: the actual evidence of how BAD it is. I live in the real world...

I'll go with what I see, not what you think.

I'm going with what I see too: the actual evidence of how BAD it is. I live in the real world, and I know that it serves no good purpose to ignore these types of injuries in favor of wishful thinking and putting on a brave face.





Fact of the matter is, I know what I'm seeing, and it doesn't look good. I also know that these types of head injuries are very serious with the elderly.

I also know that it take a SERIOUSLY FORCEFUL impact to cause a bruise and swelling like that (not to mention the seven stitches). If the bruising and swelling is bad enough to close his eye, then the impact was strong enough to cause internal bleeding, a fracture, or a brain concussion.

Those types of injuries can have long term, and even deadly consequences... and could result in stroke or other permanent brain damage. That's hardly worth the risk of pretending that nothing happened, when it clearly did.

Don't bother answering my questions, I don't need an answer

Then why ask them in the first place?

[TCJ70]

7. Knocking your noggin on stuff sucks...

...glad he’s alright.

[still_one]

11. If you release the medical records from the walk-in clinic that would tell the details, and also

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what was done. Was a CT scan performed? If not that might imply he didn’t fall. Was a tetanus shot given, etc.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

57. Yes, let's have EVERY candidate disclose ALL medical records ever generated relatin to their health

unless, of course, the candidate is NOT named Bernie. Nothing wrong with double standards, I guess... as long as they're only applied to Bernie!!


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[still_one]

93. Don't lecture me about double standards when you intentionally distorted what I said

All I said was releasing the information from the walk in clinic would verify what happened. I said nothing about releasing ALL medical records, YOU ADDED THAT, and never even said he should or should not do it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

101. Yes, and releasing ALL medical information would ALWAYS clarify a candidate's health condition...

But, why is it ONLY in BERNIE's case that people have suggested the release of HIS medical records to "shed sone light" on the situation?! I'm sure it's just a coincidence.


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[still_one]

104. I didn't suggest that. I speak for myself, and I made it very clear I was specifically referring to

the records from the Walk-In-Clinic.

In fact with the multiple threads that have been posted about this, this was the only comment I made on the subject, and I have no desire to post further on this, not because of yours or anyone else's response, but because there is nothing else I want to say about it

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

105. Okay... fair enough. Have a good one... peace.

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[still_one]

120. You too. Also, in general I try to avoid the Primary forums. Ideally they should be a place to

discuss where the candidates stand on the issues, and pros and cons relating to that, but usually they devolve into something much less substantial.

[Dem2]

14. He banged his head

Sucks, but the older one gets, the more likely one is to do these sorts of things.

[Uncle Joe]

16. ...

[Awsi Dooger]

17. Maybe they don't want the impression of old guy slipping in shower

Just a guess. But slipping or stumbling in the shower fits every stereotype of problems as we age.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

43. I'm pretty sure that's what happened.

[BeyondGeography]

18. Ever been on automatic pilot in the fourth different hotel room in five nights?

I don’t know what happened but to me there’s nothing at all strange about the explanation.

[Adrahil]

52. You don't find "precaution" stitches odd?

I don't think this a huge deal, but I do think they are going over the top in trying to minimize it.

[BeyondGeography]

60. Yes, I don't know why they bothered with that "detail"

Keep it simple. Guy walked into a shower door. The End.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

67. Often times whether to stitch or not can be a judgement call

Seven stitches equals about an inch and a quarter.

The decision was probably based on whether he was going to go home and rest or keep on working.

A head wound doesn’t get much “activity” so you can get away with glue or a bandage. Stitching is a bit more invasive but less risk of it opening up.

[Cha]

77. yeah, they're trying to minimize the

hell out of it while making it more controversial.

He's running for potus.. Full transparency is in order.

Link to tweet

I googled precautionary stiches and the only thing it came up with is.. using precaution after the stiches are ready to come out.

[ehrnst]

163. Slipping and falling during normal activities while otherwise healthy, is something

people associate with elderly decline in neurological function, especially in the shower, which is why grab bars are recommended for the elderly.

Medications that are interacting with each other can also cause dizziness leading to falls in people that age. I hope his geriatrician is reviewing his meds.

[ehrnst]

344. That's going to be very common as the campaign gears up and he travels more.

If different hotels every night are going to be that disorienting for someone, then it's something to consider.

[rusty quoin]

22. What? Is this really something?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

76. Of course it's something, it involves Bernie! Neva let facts get in the way of a good Bernie bashing

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[pnwmom]

79. I wouldn't have thought anything of this if they'd just said

he slipped on a wet bathroom floor and hit his face on the shower door.

Slipping on a wet floor is something that could happen to ANYONE.

But they insist he didn't slip or fall and that he only went to the clinic "out of precaution." As if the 7 stitches were optional. It just doesn't make sense.

[Me.]

29. How Did They Know Where To Stitch If He Didn't Need Them?

[peggysue2]

37. Interesting question, no?

I'm glad we're all about transparency.

Because normally you don't receive stitches--let alone 7 stitches--unless the cut requires it.

Seems like a bit of tap dancing is going on. Needlessly.

[TCJ70]

40. I don't think anyone has denied there was a cut of some kind.

I’d think that’s how they knew.

[pnwmom]

62. They said he only went to the clinic "out of precaution."

Anyone who's dealt with several stitches to the face knows how bloody that would be -- and he had seven. I've brought two children to the ER for fewer stitches than that, and I wouldn't have said it was "out of precaution." What was the alternative? Staying home and watching it bleed?

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090505090547AALJIyU

Doctors don't really plan "I'm going to give this person 5 stitches"-- they start stitching and stop when the wound is closed. However many stitches it takes to properly close the wound is how many they give. The location of the cut, the depth, and the width will all affect how many stitches are given, but a good rule of thumb is about 1 stitch per cm, or 5 stiches to an inch.


https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/does-this-cut-need-stitches#1

How big is it? You’ll want to see a doctor if the wound:

Looks very deep, even if it’s not especially long or wide
Is more than a half-inch long
Opens so wide that you can’t get the edges together with just a little pressure
Has ragged edges
Has debris in it such as dirt, glass, or gravel
How badly is it bleeding? You’ll likely need stitches if the wound:

Bleeds enough to soak through a bandage
Keeps bleeding even after you apply direct pressure for 5 to 10 minutes
Spurts blood

[TCJ70]

69. He's not some rando off the street...

...he’s a presidential candidate. I’m not a doctor, but if the cut, whatever shape it took, caused a concern of opening up later, maybe someone thought they should do it to prevent further injury. Now, that’s all speculation since I’ve not seen the cut, am not a doctor, and wasn’t around when anything happened...but at least it’s positive speculation...

[pnwmom]

75. Doctors don't give 7 stitches unless there's a good reason, even if the person

is running for President.

[TCJ70]

88. Are you a doctor?

I can’t say you’re wrong because I don’t know one way or the other. I’m just curious how you back up that statement.

[pnwmom]

92. No. I'm a parent of children who have required stitches, who also sustained injuries

that didn't require stitches.


Anyone who's dealt with several stitches to the face knows how bloody that would be -- and he had seven. I've brought children to the ER for fewer stitches than that, and I wouldn't have said it was "out of precaution." What was the alternative? Staying home and watching it bleed?


https://www.webmd.com/first-aid/does-this-cut-need-stitches#1

How big is it? You’ll want to see a doctor if the wound:

Looks very deep, even if it’s not especially long or wide
Is more than a half-inch long
Opens so wide that you can’t get the edges together with just a little pressure
Has ragged edges
Has debris in it such as dirt, glass, or gravel

How badly is it bleeding? You’ll likely need stitches if the wound:

Bleeds enough to soak through a bandage
Keeps bleeding even after you apply direct pressure for 5 to 10 minutes
Spurts blood

[Me.]

175. THat Is Nonsenical

and makes absolutely no sense and typing it over and over won't give it validity

[TCJ70]

199. I only typed it once...n/t

[Me.]

204. You're Quite Right

So let me amend to say...repeating it

[Me.]

68. If There Was A Cut On The Head There Would Be LOts Of Blood

and I question precautionary as opposed to necessary

[TCJ70]

72. I'm not typing it out again. Post 69:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=26489

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

227. You can't be serious. What's next?...Even if there were lots of blood...

could it be fake blood? Can we PLEASE get back to the REAL issues of the campaign?!?!


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[Me.]

237. I Most Certainly Am Serious

Fake blood? Then are they fake stitches?

[Cha]

42. Good Question, Me! How do you get preventive

stiches? Do you sew up skin that isn't open? What?

Like pnwmom said.. it doesn't make sense.'

Why not just "Transparency"? How bad could that be?

[Me.]

66. I Know, It Happens To Everyone At One Time Or Another

Right?

[Cha]

73. We're not the only ones asking..

Link to tweet

All we're asking for is transparency. All the controversy could have been avoided. Once again.

[vsrazdem]

102. Sometimes they can just use Steri-Strips and not stitches. My guess is they felt

since he was not going to be at home and on the go, as a precautionary measure they put in the stitches, rather than use the Steri-Strips or glue.

[rusty quoin]

141. Jesus, he got stitches and the doctor said how many. It use to be normal.

[Autumn]

164. Head wounds bleed a lot. They may have considered that, thought to bandage it

the decided as a precaution they should take him in and have it looked at and what do ya know, seven stitches.

after treating the cut “out of precaution”

seems to have morphed into "preventive stitches" Because all Doctors will put in preventive stitches just in case you hit your head... later.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

228. I used butterfly strips once to help close a cut... if that helps solve this fake controversy.

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[True Blue American]

151. :)

[dalton99a]

33. The injury was sustained while fighting off a Ninja

or maybe he was trying to apply butter to his forehead

Anyway, glad he's alright

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. Makes as much sense as other explanations I've heard around here.

Just glad he's alright too. Hope Bernie and ALL the candidates continue to enjoy good health and stay safe out on the campaign trail.


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[bluedigger]

55. You're overthinking the situation.

Obviously Bernie was holding the rolled up motel shampoo packet in one hand in order to reuse or recycle it, depending on how many times he had already rinsed, lathered and repeated. Then, as he spryly hopped out, the unfamiliar shower door first stuck, and then rebounded out of his still slippery old man hand, thereby creating a nasty gash in his paper thin forehead. He's clearly guilty of forgetting to rinse one last time, probably due to his preoccupation with saving the world, and whatnot. See? Logical explanation.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. The most logical explanation I've heard all day!! Hahaha!! Good one!!

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[forklift]

58. Maybe his head cracked open

while frantically preparing 10 years of tax returns.

Jokes aside, I wish him a speedy recovery and healing. It is terrible to have head trauma like that at any age but in elderly, the wounds are slow to heal. I'm sure he is getting excellent care.

[Me.]

70. OK, I Confess

You made me laugh

[comradebillyboy]

71. He bumped his head looking for his tax forms.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

86. Okay, now THAT was funny... gotta give it to you there!! Can't stop laughin'!!

Yes, even some of us Bernie supporters still have a sense of humor...


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[comradebillyboy]

108. I'm happy I could bring a smile to your face.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

110. You most certainly did! Have a good one... peace.

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[backtoblue]

83. I walked into a corner of a cabinet once

Didn't go get stitches, but it nearly knocked me out and my head bled for a while.
Speedy recovery, Senator!

[Eric J in MN]

128. Was it in a dark room? NT

NT

[backtoblue]

129. Nope

It was in my grandmother's kitchen. It wasn't the first or last time I've walked into something stupid. I've never been known for being graceful...

[WheelWalker]

90. He probably forgot to duck. My shower doors hang from an aluminum frame.

Happens to me now and then. Also, I forget to duck under the garage door when it might not be all the way up (I'm probably the last person without a garage door opener). Admittedly, I've suffered from glaucoma for over 20 years, and my peripheral vision isn't perfect anymore which might be a contributing factor.

[Laffy Kat]

91. Ouch, seven sutures for "precaution" sounds kind of weird.

I'm mean some providers might say, "This might heal faster if I put in a couple of stitches, what do you want me to do?" but seven? Anyway, everyone has accidents and I don't think the campaign should hold back information. Glad he's ok.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

229. Who would want to hold back information in a campaign? I like the new "Bernie standard"...

Let's apply it to everyone!!


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[quickesst]

94. I'm not a Bernie Sanders fan....

.... But I'll come to his defense anyway. Here is an experience I had that may shed some light on the statements concerning stitches as a precautionary measure.

I once cut my thumb when I let my skill saw slip. It was a deep cut to the bone. Being the tough guy I thought I was at the time I decided to forego stitches. The cut did heal eventually without any permanent damage, but if I had chosen to get stitches there is no doubt the cut would have healed much faster and would have left less of a scar than it did. I realize now that by not having the cut treated and stitches put in there was a higher chance of infection and permanent damage. Luckily for me it all turned out okay in the end.

Point being, Bernie may have been fine treating his cut at home. It was a chance he was not willing to take as far as infection or a longer healing period. Sometimes there is no there there.

On edit: I was around 45 years old and worked 60 hours a week on a construction crew. Now at the ripe old age I'm 66, had this accident occurred, it would be a pretty fast trip to the emergency room for stitches and treatment.

[pnwmom]

95. Do you think it's likely he got this laceration without slipping or falling? n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

109. Bernie's explanation IS highly suspicious... perhaps, an FBI investigation is in order?!

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[quickesst]

117. I have no clue...

.... as to the circumstances surrounding the incident. I can only speculate what may have happened but I choose not to do so until more information is made available by Bernie Sanders himself. If he chooses not to comment about it, the only thing left will be what is available now. Speculation, which I choose not to participate in.

All I can say is, bathtubs can get slippery, and I, along with millions of other people have been slipping in the bathtub from the time we could walk to the present, which in my case is 66 years old. So.....

[pnwmom]

121. Right. Slipping in the bathroom could happen to anybody.

So you'd think anyone would acknowledge it, if that's what happened.

[quickesst]

124. Seems that way....

..... but like I said, I'd rather not speculate. I do think Bernie's campaign will be put into a position where more clarification will be needed. I found out years ago that jumping to conclusions without the full set of facts behind any incident will at the least cause some embarrassment. Just ask those who jumped to Jussie Smollett's defense 5 minutes after he reported the incident, that is, if you can find any of them.

I will offer one thing as a possibility rather than speculation. Embarrassment. The circumstances which led up to the cut could have been a result of Murphy's Law. I have been in that position before. Still, I believe I will wait a few more days before any further comment.

[RandySF]

107. My 84-year old dad hit his head on the shower door once.

[Cha]

113. Did he get stiches?

[RandySF]

116. No, but he got a nasty scratch.

[Eric J in MN]

127. Was it a sliding door or a swinging door? NT

NT

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

137. You got ME in stitches... LMFAO with all this speculation over Bernie bumping his head!!

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[ehrnst]

337. All of your replies on this thread totallly show a lack of concern

Last edited Mon Mar 18, 2019, 02:08 PM - Edit history (1)

about the speculation here on DU.

[radical noodle]

123. Since when

does one get a "clean bill of health" at a walk-in clinic? Maybe the cut has a clean bill of health.

BTW, even though I question how in the world it happened, I seriously do NOT want to see a re-enactment of the incident in question.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

138. Now that's using your "noodle" Noodle!!

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[CrossingTheRubicon]

125. Suggestions that he was so upset by Beto's entry that he threw himself thru a glass shower door...

seem ridiculous to me.

Fake news! Fake news! Fake news!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

139. That's funny, tho it actually makes more sense than some of the other crazy explanations stated here

Though, truth be told, I think Bernie's more worried about Joe Biden declaring his candidacy... Beto is a non-factor and, thus, poses little threat in this race.


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[TexasTowelie]

148. Wasn't Bernie considered a non-factor when he began his campaign in 2015?

I recall that he was polling in the same range as what Beto is polling now. I expect Beto to stay in the race until at least the Super Tuesday primaries. For a non-factor candidate Beto has been the topic of deceitful propaganda and dirty campaigning even prior to announcing his candidacy.

[happybird]

143. I've smacked my head on a shower door many times

My parents used to have one in their guest bathroom that swung open and shut like a regular door. When you opened it to grab your towel, it slowly swung partially shut again. No glasses + distracted by drying off and gathering up bottles = bonk. God help you if the room was steamy and you were in a hurry. They finally switched that stupid door out to a curtain because we all hated it.

BFD he cut his head. There are much more important things to worry about. Trying to make it into an issue is petty and no better than the dumb speculation about HRC's health. We are (or should be) better than that.

I hope he feels better soon.

[DLevine]

144. Divided we fall. nt

[happybird]

145. + 1 million

[Kurt V.]

146. +1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

225. Bingo!! United we stand!!

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[TexasTowelie]

147. About ten years I was helping my friend push start his truck

so that he could pop the clutch and start the truck in second gear. I was running at full speed when both legs gave out from under me--I fell straight down on both knees and was unable to break the fall by taking another step or getting my hands out in front of me. I did a full face-plant on concrete and had blood gushing from the bridge of my nose and the cleft above my lip along with other facial abrasions. I broke my right arm and sprained my shoulder such that I needed physical therapy for the next couple of months.

Despite the seriousness of the accident and the fact that about one-third of my face was covered with caked-on blood for the next two weeks, I did not have any stitches put in. However, even though I was 44 years old, I didn't try to cover up the fact that I fell. There wouldn't be anything embarrassing for a 77 year old man to admit to slipping or falling in the shower.

The reaction that I would expect from anyone no matter their age would be to cancel the plans for the next couple of days and get some bed rest. I'm surprised that a doctor wouldn't offer that advice to a patient rather than flying across the country for a campaign rally. Why anyone would not follow medical advice (or at least show some common sense) and rest doesn't seem like a wise decision. It's early in the campaign so the rally probably could have been rescheduled. Regardless whether the injury occurred because a fall or stumble, the decision-making afterwards is questionable.

[watoos]

152. What I want to know

does he have a hole in his tongue?

The only way we lose in 2020 is if we fight among ourselves.

[handmade34]

154. don't like Bernie...

he is not worth discussing the stitches... things happen... I got 7 stitches last week... really... it was no big deal

[mcar]

158. You don't get stitches "out of precaution"

You get stitches bc you have a deep wound. There needs to be more explanation of this incident.

[Autumn]

170. Head wounds bleed profusely. You do go to a walk in clinic "out of precaution"

Doctor's don't give stitches "out of precaution". Sloppy writing but whatever works.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

231. That's true... lots of blood vessels in the old noggin'!!

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[Autumn]

248. The belief that one must faint or slip and fall to get a head injury requiring stitches is silly.

[mcar]

254. Head wounds bleed profusely

If he didn't have a head wound, he wouldn't have needed stitches. One doesn't just go to a clinic "out of precaution" and randomly get 7 stitches in one's forehead.

Why can't they admit he got injured and needed stitches to close a gash in his head?

[Autumn]

258. They did admit he got injured, that's why the 7 stitches. Your problem is with the shitty

writing of the article. No doctor is going to just randomly give 7 stitches to someone in their forehead unless they do have a head injury.
But by all means go with "what is Bernie and his staff hiding" like the Pukes and idiots did when Hillary had pneumonia and got dizzy.

[lapucelle]

264. I wonder if the doctor advised him to rest.

It's odd that he wasn't sent to a hospital emergency room by the walk in clinic staff, given that he had a head injury.

[mcar]

310. True

[lapucelle]

185. How exactly would they determine where to put the "precautionary stitches"?

[Autumn]

280. Who said he received "precautionary stitches"? It's not in any article. Just a few people

pushing that crap to make it look like he had a stroke or something nefarious. There's no such thing as precautionary stitches, ask any 10 year old . They can tell you.

"out of precaution, he went to a walk-in clinic" to have the cut checked out.

Sen. Bernie Sanders received seven stitches after cutting his head on the edge of a glass shower door on Friday morning during a trip to South Carolina, according to his campaign.

Sanders, the 77-year-old Vermont senator who launched his second presidential campaign last month, received a “clean bill of health” after treating the cut “out of precaution” at a walk-in clinic, said campaign spokesperson Arianna Jones.

How exactly would they determine where to put the "precautionary stitches"?

[lapucelle]

282. This guy...

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=26535

He said it's "described in medical lingo all the time".

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/128726385#post106

He sounds like an expert.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=26821

[Autumn]

284. "How exactly would they determine where to put the "precautionary stitches"?" You asked.

Where it's bleeding would be the logical answer to "where to put the "precautionary stitches". It also doesn't take an expert to know if a person has any signs bradycardia or arrhythmias they aren't going to be treated and released at a walk in clinic.

[lapucelle]

290. I don't understand why any head injury requiring stitches would be treated at a walk-in clinic.

I also don't understand why anybody with a head injury requiring stitches would not have been advised to rest for the day.

[Autumn]

299. Anyone with a head wound would go to a walk in clinic or an ER if they are in another state.

If you got a nasty cut or if you got sick and you were in SC for an event would you go home to VT to get treatment? It sounds like he did take it easy

candidate was given a "clean bill of health" will attend all of his previously scheduled campaign events over the next couple days.

By the way, I'm not an expert but I suspect the "clean bill of health" meant he didn't have a concussion since the injury he was treated for at the walk in clinic was to his head.
We were on vacation in TX and my daughter got sick the 2nd day. We went to a walk in clinic, saw a doctor, got medication and continued our vacation.

[lapucelle]

300. I would think that a local walk in would refer him to a local hospital emergency room.

Head injuries can be tricky...there is always the chance of a concussion.

I can understand going to a walk in clinic if you're traveling and get sick. Injuries are a bit different.

[Autumn]

303. No they don't always refer you to an ER. If you have an injury they treat you and determine

if there are any other associated problems with your initial complaint. They will give you an instruction sheet of things to look out for and if any of those things happen then you should seek emergency help. Injuries can be a bit different, had Bernie cut off 3 fingers in car door then they would have sent him to an ER. Any doctor in any walk in clinic or ER, anywhere is more than capable of putting stitches in a cut and slapping on a bandage.

[R B Garr]

313. Actually, if there was any chance you were knocked out

even for the briefest time, they do refer you for further evaluation. That’s pretty basic with slip and fall:head injuries.

[Autumn]

314. You don't know that he slipped and fell or that he was knocked out. If he did

slip, fall and was knocked out the walk in clinic would have done just that. That's what they do, and since he went to a public breakfast after, covered by the media acted normal and wasn't all woozy and passing out I would think he was fine. They didn't refer him for any evaluation so I guess that shoots the your little theory of him having brain injuries down the drain.

[R B Garr]

315. Who said he had brain injuries. This is why you keep

getting questioned about what you fabricate. I said if there was even the slightest chance he was unconscious, they would run more tests, usually at the ER. A walk-in clinic is not an ER room, how laughable.

[Autumn]

316. I'm not the one fabricating the idea that he slipped and fell and was knocked out.You are.

I discussed with another poster how walk in clinics work. You are posting about him slipping and falling and being knocked out. Both articles clearly state he did not slip and fall.

[R B Garr]

317. You are fabricating that he didn't, so it's the same thing.

What we do know is that his story changed, so no wonder people are asking why.

[Autumn]

318. His story never changed, it's right there in both articles. You just don't accept it. nt

[Autumn]

319. Again, for the last time His story has not changed. Both articles state he did not slip and fall.

[MoonRiver]

177. Before they passed, my mom and dad lived in nursing homes.

One of the greatest concerns among staff was shower/bathtub accidents among their elderly clients. Just saying.

[True Blue American]

223. And most of those places have grab bars.

Even my glass shower door has one and it is rimless.

[MoonRiver]

232. That's true. Maybe Bernie should install some.

[vsrazdem]

178. I didn't know Alex Jones was on DU, cause the conspiracy theories are flying.

[lapucelle]

182. I've never heard of "precautionary stitches". Is that something new?

[DLevine]

187. Actually, it's something made up.

From the article: Arianna Jones, a Sanders spokeswoman, said "out of precaution, he went to a walk-in clinic" to have the cut checked out. "Precautionary stitches" is just made-up shit-stirring.

Wouldn't it be great if we could work together to get that orange shitstain out of office instead of eating our own. Let's not do Republican's work for them.

[Autumn]

210. "Precautionary stitches" is not used in the articles. Several people are using that phrase.

Makes one wonder where that term is coming from.

[DLevine]

212. It's coming from shit-stirrers who want to divide us.

We spend our time taking cheap shots at each other's preferred candidates; meanwhile, our country is being destroyed by that orange shitgibbon. Breaks my heart. I support 100% whoever our nominee is. We have great candidates- let's not tear them down.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

186. NOT a Bernie-fan, but this is just as ridiculous as when it was done to Hillary.

Is this who we want to be?

[DLevine]

188. Agree. Let's work together. nt

[joshcryer]

224. People are just trying to push buttons.

Because when it was done against Hillary the left and right respectively bashed her.

The woman had pneumonia and yet still campaigned hard.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

233. THIS!!!! +1,000!!!

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[Squinch]

203. Ahh. Another of the many mysteries surrounding Mr. Sanders.

[Srkdqltr]

206. Shower doors are evil

I was thrilled to be rid of them in my house.

[KPN]

209. Could be by a similar way I got 5 in my head back in my late 30s. I banged it on the edge of the

cab-over part of a pickup camper shell that was on jacks when I was walking around it with my eyes looking down rather than up. Maybe he was looking left rather than right, or sideways rather than front.

Oh, and I had a baseball cap on at the time and a full head of thick hair.

Geesh!

[backscatter712]

217. Slip-and-falls happen to everyone. I've had my share.

The fact that Bernie was speaking at a campaign event just hours after this happened just shows he's decently tough.

[RandySF]

219. I think he would have sustained other injuries if he fell at his age.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

236. Precisely!! The fact that Bernie didn't suffer worse injuries PROVES he's in phenomenal shape

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[NurseJackie]

238. It "proves" nothing of the sort. We only know what they tell us...

The fact that Bernie didn't suffer worse injuries PROVES he's in phenomenal shape

It "proves" nothing of the sort. We only know what they tell us, and that information is inconsistent and the details continue to change.

phenomenal shape

Totally ridiculous. Saying something like that is an absurd exaggeration and laughable on the face of it. (Even sillier than the claim that "Bernie IS much healthier than most young candidates") So I'll just have to take that boast with a grain of salt.

Fact of the matter is ANY fall is dangerous for individuals who suffer from osteoporosis. An xray or other scan should have been ordered. If it wasn't, then the "walk in clinic" was negligent. If it was, but refused, then I must question the judgement of whoever made that decision.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

243. So then, why is Bernie out-campaigning ALL of his fellow Democrats?!

You know the answer.


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[NurseJackie]

244. The answer is: he's not.

You know the answer.

The answer is: he's not.

So then, why is Bernie out-campaigning ALL of his fellow Democrats?!

I see no evidence of that. It's just wishful thinking and meaningless exaggeration on an internet discussion forum.

It is not "proof" that he's in "phenomenal shape" or that "Bernie IS much healthier than most young candidates". They're just empty boasts that I cannot take seriously.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

245. You're just not paying close enough attention... and that's why Bernie is winning!!

Understandably, that's difficult for some to accept. Bernie is a campaign juggernaut!!

Not even the massive head wound, as some are portraying, can slow him down. How do you explain THAT?! (Can't wait!)


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[NurseJackie]

246. LOL!

Bernie is a campaign juggernaut!!

Not even the massive head wound, as some are portraying,

Precautionary stitches, eh?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

247. Can't have it both ways, eh!! Ouch!!

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[NurseJackie]

250. Can't stand it when I'm right, eh!! Ouch!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

252. Keep telling yourself that... you may start actually believing it.

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[NurseJackie]

259. It's not about what I believe, it's about what's true. You can't have it both ways.

Keep telling yourself that... you may start actually believing it.

It's not about what I believe, it's about what's true. You can't have it both ways.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

267. Thank you for proving my point!!

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[NurseJackie]

270. No... thank YOU for proving MINE!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

273. Yes, just keep repeating everything I say... THAT'LL work!!

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[NurseJackie]

274. Nobody is doing that.

[lapucelle]

271. ...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

253. I think some elderly people who live a sedentary lifestyle with all the accompanying ill health...

.... effects can’t grasp the idea Bernie is in phenomenal shape for someone his age - or even someone 15 years younger. I know of people in their 60s who need help up a flight of stairs.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

257. Exactly right!! Somebody else who gets it!!

According to some, Bernie suffered a massive head wound that's being covered up... yet he's able to maintain a full campaign schedule. Then I guess he really is in superhuman shape!! They can't have it BOTH ways... yet they still try!! Too funny!!




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[lapucelle]

275. The photos bear out the fact that he suffered a head wound that's being covered up...

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

279. LOL!! Yes, Bernie's head wound IS being covered up... it's called a "bandage"!! haha!!

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[lapucelle]

281. So, it is true

that BS suffered a head wound that's being covered up.

It's not speculation. Good to know.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

293. YESSSSS!! Go with it!!

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[NurseJackie]

335. Can't cover up this massive swelling. His eye is swollen shut, like a boxer.

Any impact that causes something that bad is also forceful enough to cause a concussion, or fracture, or internal bleeding. That could lead to a stroke or brain damage. That's true for ANYONE, young or old, fit or frail... but in the elderly, it's especially true.

it's called a "bandage"!! haha!!

The bandage only covers the stitches. The powder foundation is being used to try an cover the massive bruising. But there's no amount of makeup that can disguise the swelling.

I feel so sorry for him. It's too bad he's taking unnecessary risks.

[NurseJackie]

255. The two things are unrelated.

You're just not paying close enough attention... and that's why Bernie is winning!!

The two things are unrelated. It makes no sense for anyone to suggest my "paying close attention" would impact Bernie's campaign at all. It's an absurd thing to say.

You can't have it both ways.

[Tipperary]

312. Thank you.

“Much healthier than most young candidates.” All you have to do is look at the pictures; he looks awful in those pictures.

[RandySF]

239. If he hit his head, the rest of his is irrelevant.

But if he fell, he clearly would have been hurt worse.

[NurseJackie]

241. Not necessarily.

But if he fell, he clearly would have been hurt worse.

Not necessarily. It seems like a logical thing to say... but the fact of the matter is that there are lots of factors that come into play.

Honestly, I have to say that we'll probably never know exactly what happened. The details change and are inconsistent, things are omitted and there are other walk-backs. I sincerely doubt they'll let us know everything, but the voters do deserve to know the truth about whatever underlying issues there may be. I just get the feeling that there's more to this than meets the eye and my feelings are certainly justified by the behavior I've observed.

In any case, I think it's perfectly natural for ordinary people to be dismissive and to cover up their embarrassment by saying things like "oh, it's nothing" and "just a little bump" and "I'll be fine" and "don't worry". (Nobody like to make-a-fuss... and people generally don't like being "fussed-over". Nobody wants to be in the doctor's office any longer than the absolute minimum. I get that.)

But when it's someone who's seeking to be the Leader of the Free World, I believe that the American people deserve to hear the truth and to have all the information presented in an honest and forthcoming way. No more of the dismissive "nothing to see here, move along" responses. That's the type of attitude that suggests things are worse than they're letting on... and that they just hope it will blow-over and be quickly forgotten.

I just know that the way it's being described... how it unfolded... the changes in the story... the claimed treatment... the claims that there was no x-ray or scan performed, well, it just doesn't add up to me. I feel like there are inconsistencies and omitted information which leads me to believe something else is going on. I think there's a possibility that there could be an underlying condition. Even if the condition didn't CAUSE the accident, then it's something that could be exacerbated by it.

I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. Time will tell.

One thing I'm absolutely certain about is that a second occurrence wouldn't be as easy to dismiss with claims that there's "nothing to see here, move along".

Please be careful, Bernie. We need you in the Senate.

[pnwmom]

242. Worse injuries than a gash that required 7 stitches and gave him a black eye? n/t

[Power 2 the People]

240. We've really reached a new low here with the Bernie conspiracies.What's next? Did he shoot JFK?

[Lunabell]

251. Showergate

Obviously needs to be investigated for the significant lies and obfuscation. Geesh

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

295. Yesss!! Better known as "showerWATERgate"!! Bernie needs to "come clean" over the shower incident...

and stop the "coverup"... take off the bandage!! HAHAHA!!


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[R B Garr]

262. Oh, just saw the part about the black eye, although I

can’t really see it in the picture. After looking at this more, I thought maybe he really got a biopsy and they didn’t want to reveal that so they went with this slip / no slip distraction.

[NurseJackie]

265. It doesn't look very good.

I just hope he heals quickly... we need him in the Senate.

[R B Garr]

266. Okay, so you could see the black eye? I couldn't see

it in the picture with the bandage in this article, but I’m sure there are other pictures.

[NurseJackie]

272. It was visible in those photos (the HD ones)...

It was visible in those photos (the HD ones) but I'm sure whoever did his makeup or foundation powder did their best at hiding it. As bruises go, it will get worse before it gets better.

[R B Garr]

278. Thanks, NJ. I'm on an iPhone and couldn't see it. nt

[Pachamama]

302. I am sorry - I like the message of Sanders, but not the Messenger....

I am sorry he got injured - could happen to anybody regardless of age. But when I see this man and even the picture of him there with his hair all over the place and the bandage on his forehead, its very sad and depressing compared to when you see the youth and vigor of other candidates. And yes, Joe Biden looks more youthful and vigorous than Sanders.

He still always feels like the crotchety old man that is screaming at people to get off his lawn....I just don't feel the "Bern" his supporters feel....

And now with some of the other candidates that are talking about a lot of the same message and priorities.....It just isn't happening for me....

[Tipperary]

308. This. Spot on.

[Adrahil]

307. He was looking for his tax returns....

Thought he left them in the shower.

[NurseJackie]

360. Or... He fainted when Jane said "Found them! Here they are!"

Poor Bernie! I hope he feels better soon!

[Tipperary]

309. That eye looks puffy too. No surprise with that kind of injury.

The accident might not have even happened in the shower. Who knows?

[redstateblues]

311. This will help Bernie delay his tax returns. Very clever.

[ismnotwasm]

322. The aging process thins the skin

Certain medications can make this worse. I think he hit something at just the right angle with just enough force to tear the skin. Head cuts bleed a lot. Bernie’s cut is more consistent with a slip and fall—even if it was just against the shower door. Or, it’s possible he was in a hurry, distracted and rammed his head hard into the door. Using the word “precaution” is what I find ridiculous. He hit his head, he needed stitches. He NEEDED to see a healthcare practice for this.

[happybird]

326. Been wondering if they were going for

"out of an abundance of caution."
Precautionary is just poor word choice.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

323. I hope he is well. He has a rigorous campaign ahead of him.

[WeekiWater]

352. Can Larry David come stand in for Sanders for a couple of days?

Let Sanders recoup at home? Guy isn't looking all that good lately.

[KayF]

362. the media is covering this up

DU and Infowars are the only places with the REAL TRUTH on Bernie's and Hillary's health issues.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

365. I'm glad this incident is behind him and hope he makes a full recovery.