***Biden Supporters*** Do the constant anti-Biden threads and anti-Biden news stories just make you

[LincolnRossiter]

love him more?

Yes...




...or hell yes?

[Kingofalldems]

1. He's worse than Trump!!!1111!!!

[bigtree]

2. no.

[Cha]

5. So? You're not a "Biden Supporter" to whom the

OP clearly addressed this question.

[emmaverybo]

10. +1

[LincolnRossiter]

6. See the title, mein lieber freund...

NT

[bigtree]

7. this 'attack' was in response to misleading statements made by Biden yesterday

...it's actually a news report.

This article is accurate. Biden's statement was not.

Biden Says He Opposed Iraq War Effort 'Immediately,' Despite Multiple Public Remarks Supporting It
https://www.newsweek.com/biden-iraq-war-2002-vote-2020-race-1457498

...it does not make me support him more, in response to your op.

Supporter only threads are in the candidate groups, not DUP.

(I always vote, and I always vote for party's nominee)

[Cha]

38. Yeah yeah.. this thread is for Biden Supporters...

which you clearly are not.

[vsrazdem]

62. If that is the case, shouldn't this be in the candidate forum.

[Cha]

64. It states in the OP it's FOR Biden Supporters.

[Bradical79]

156. So what?

[Cha]

157. So.. Thanks for kicking the thread FOR

Biden Supporters.

[Bradical79]

159. You're welcome ;-)

[Demsrule86]

90. It is actually a bullshit hit job of an article...and FYI...I have no interest in who supported the

war almost 20 years ago...going to have to dig deeper than that to destroy Biden...and advance your candidate who seems to be down in the polls...oh well,maybe the debates will help...

[floppyboo]

111. Was thinking the same thing - seems perfect content for candidate group page

Anyone disagreeing with the OP is setting themselves up. Really provocative if you ask me. Passive aggressive Unnecessary Divisiveness being fomented here.
Meh

[Demsrule86]

115. That is not your decision.

[dubyadiprecession]

132. We might want to talk about DWS. As Biden's running mate...

So we don’t want you to have a heart attack or stroke over her.

[floppyboo]

133. hahaha!

[Demsrule86]

89. You don't support Biden thus...how can you answer this?

[vsrazdem]

121. If you only want to hear from Biden supports, you should go to the candidate forum, otherwise

you should expect opposing viewpoints.

[Demsrule86]

160. I have seen posts directed at Sanders supporters...feel free to opine...but you can't really answer

the question and this is about a candidate and the primary...belongs right here.

[vsrazdem]

164. Thanks, I think I just did.

[Skya Rhen]

3. Yes, I love him even more. That's my man!

[Perseus]

14. That is exactly what a MAGAT told me when I pointed out something negative about the creature

The MAGAT said, "I don't care what you say, and anyway, whatever you say makes me love him more"...and I am not kidding, she is my cousin who put some weird love rant for the creature on facebook.

Glad to know that fanatism is alive and well.

[Skya Rhen]

25. Me singing the lyrics to Whitney Houston's song: You're still my man; nothing can change it...

[Perseus]

74. Dust in the wind

I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone
All my dreams, pass before my eyes, a curiosity
Dust in the wind, all they are is dust in the wind

[True Blue American]

77. I just watched Joe

On the Jimmy Kimmel show. Did not realize how much Colbert resembles Kimmel.

[George II]

4. HELL YES!!

[redstateblues]

8. Bring it on Biden Bashers and gaffe miners

So far the bashing has not had the desired effect

[Perseus]

16. Seems to have had an effect here in DU, Warren 20%, Biden 14%

Warren continues to climb, while Biden remains stagnant, so maybe here at DU it does make a difference.

[Cha]

19. Sanders is still at 8% if

you want to talk "stagnant" on the DU poll.

[Perseus]

73. Who is talking about Sanders? I said Warren at 20%, not Sanders

I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone
All my dreams, pass before my eyes, a curiosity
Dust in the wind, all they are is dust in the wind

[RandiFan1290]

79. Thank you!

Some of these people have Bernie on the brain 24/7

[awesomerwb1]

136. Like you for example?

[Cha]

141. Zing!

[Cha]

140. Not really.. but we do notice he's

still at 8%.

[Cha]

138. lol.. you said "stagnant".

[calguy]

22. It only makes a difference on DU

We're more liberal minded than most of the voters who will be voting next ywar. And, brace yourself, hardly any of them have ever heard of DU.

[emmaverybo]

24. So? Love DU, but it won't be electing the next president. We need a large spectrum of voters from

a larger political spectrum than represented at DU. DU does not represent the Dem party in its full
diversity and wider range of political positions.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

57. Doesn't seem to reflect it at all.

[emmaverybo]

71. I haven't been here long enough to say that. I will, however, trust your judgement, one I have

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encountered from others.

So far I have not found any forums, interactive blogs, online news sources that do appear to represent a wider range of Dem voters. Not that have much activity anyway.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

87. I agree with that. Guess all you can go by are polls

of Democrats nationally to measure where the entire party is. Like in the last poll I saw 72% of all Dems support Impeachment. More Dems than not want someone who can beat trump #1 priority.

[Demsrule86]

92. Well...you know DU doesn't represent the electorate...Biden is ahead in all the polls save

the outlier which the media admitted was an outlier but are still using it because it is all they got..Biden beats Trump by double digits in Wisconsin...EW doesn't. She is a good person and Senator...like her. She has my vote in a general. But I do not believe as things stand today,she will be the nominee.

[Cha]

20. Not in the polls regarding who will be the Best

to Beat trump and in the Swing states it hasn't.

[redstateblues]

30. New poll in WI has Warren tied with Trump. Joe is up 9

We have to win WI, PA, MI. Joe is the one that can get it done.

[Cha]

34. Exactly, redstateblues! I'm interested in

those polls!

[cheezmaka]

66. Absolutely!

That's what really matters at this point... Bring on the Statesman!

[WA-03 Democrat]

9. Go Joe Go!

I love Joe. He is going to right the ship. Let’s except that we have a mess that could end our system of government and we need to, once again, clean it up!

Get out the vote!!

[emmaverybo]

11. Love this guy! He's gonna make a great president! Sorry some folks have to resort

to Biden bashing instead of making a great case for other candidates. Tell us how/why others are
more qualified for office than Joe. Oops. Can’t do....

[Perseus]

17. Since when is reporting real news, the truth, is bashing anyone?

Why won't some people accept that Biden did not tell the truth about his support for the Iraq invasion? Its not like it is not on video, that it is not recorded in newspapers, I mean, there is plenty of proof.

It would have been better for him to have said "I made a mistake when I supported the Iraq invasion, and I have learned a lot from my mistake and that of the Bush administration who mishandled it horribly." I would have applauded that.

[emmaverybo]

26. He became a critic of Iraq war and a fixer post-war. Enough mea culpa for me. NT

[redstateblues]

50. Joe is a good man. Trying to paint him as as a liar won't work. Try something else.

This bash is going to fall flat like all the others.

[Perseus]

75. No one is saying he is not a good man, but the truth is he did not tell the truth about his

support for the Iraq war.

Are we going to continue making a pass at people when they don't tell the truth just because he is "our chosen one"? Isn't that part of the problem we are having with the creature today?

We have to demand that our candidates tell the truth all the time, we cannot criticize the creature for not telling the truth then turn around and give Biden a pass because he is our candidate. When is this going to stop?

Demand the truth from every one, otherwise we will continue in this path of deceit, we will never have a government that is on the level with its citizens.

I really don't get it.

[Bradical79]

158. This is what it's usually like during primaries

Brains and ethics get left behind for certain people.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

58. You still haven't decided? I listened to town halls tonight

If you don't like Joe, can see how it would be hard to choose among everyone else. People with the most knowledge and the best ideas seem to have an optics issue. Demeanor...too hyper.. yelling voice instead of talking voice. Lose points with the general public surface only type voters. Note to self if I run for prez in my next life...hire an image coach.

[emmaverybo]

78. Looks like they are gonna take off and fly. Also lots of arm pumping jabbing repetitive movements

and delivery all at same intense, loud pitch. I agree 100 percent in need for speech coach to work with physicality.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

84. Hearing it makes me nervous, so I can only guess that

it would also bother the average voter. You can't be on 10 every minute. You have to drop to a calm sometime. No one wants a president who never modulates to calm.

Voice modulation is one of the most powerful weapons that you can have in your arsenal while delivering a speech. Not only does it reflect confidence but it also helps in convincing your audience about your beliefs or ideas. This is the power that voice modulation commands over people!

[Demsrule86]

93. When right wing in many cases articles are posted in order to prop up a different candidate...and

clearly some look exclusively for such article this is bashing. Yes, this is bashing and not 'telling the truth' as anything that doesn't fit the narrative is ignored. As for the war, I don't give two shits whether he supported it or not...I am sure like many he had misgivings...you can't know what he thought or felt...he did what he thought was right...good enough for me. I would remind you that I voted for Kerry and Hillary who also supported the war...and you probably did too. No apologies...that is what some and the media want...NO WAY.

[BootinUp]

12. I need a Biden fix. Any recent vids someone can

Recommend?

[WA-03 Democrat]

15. Agree it's awesome to see an experienced sane person

Running for the highest office!!

[lapfog_1]

13. haven't changed my feelings about Joe at all

but they have changed my opinions of some candidates and especially their supporters.

[apcalc]

18. Makes NO difference to me

I’m voting for the Democratic party nominee. I don’t care who says what about ANY of them!

Democrat? Got my vote!

[CatMor]

21. Yes ...

although I've always loved him.

[CousinIT]

23. I'm ignoring all negativity about all Dem POTUS and Senate candidates.

I suggest everyone else do the same. Make up your own mind. Don't fall for the bullshit.

[WA-03 Democrat]

28. 100% Right On!!

[Thekaspervote]

36. This!

[oasis]

27. ImWithJoe. His long list of bona fide's speak for themselves. nt

[Thekaspervote]

39. Agree completely! He is the most qualified..THIS is what drives Biden supporters

[oasis]

109. "Joe's built up a reservoir of goodwill" said a cable tv pundit.

He's 100% correct!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. Exactly. Plus he's a union guy. Plus he's got dignity and

experience and knowledge and heart and respect for tradition. IOW he is the perfect ANTITHESIS of Dipshit.

[oasis]

117. Unions will back Joe, so you don't have to worry yourself about that. nt

[floppyboo]

124. Which Unions are backing him now?

I really hope Sherrod Brown keeps getting air time. Unions are the only way out of the corporatocaracy mess.
Guess most will wait till the new year to endorse. I'm guessing Biden will continue to decline through winter. Even here on DU, where I assume members are more ear-to-the-ground on policy stances, Biden hasn't moved from 14% in ages, despite the loud voices.
Yes, Bernie is stuck at 8% but I think it is well known that DU isn't Sanders friendly at present.
Perhaps Reddit is where the Biden supporters are?
I'm curious how the different social media sites 'poll'.
The national polls on RCP are interesting to a point. For trends only IMO. Summer + the fact that it is still really early, probably isn't the best indicator of anything.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

125. Firefighters may

[oldsoftie]

29. Just makes me realize how bad its gotten here.

"I have met the enemy & he is us"

[peggysue2]

31. Too true!

Sadly, so.

[NYMinute]

32. Desperate memos from Vermont are futile

Lucy Flores/ me too - failed
Anita Hill - Failed
Racism insinuation - failed
Busing brouhaha - failed
"Gaffe" amplification - failed
1994 crime bill braggadocio - failed
Iraq war chest thumping - failed

The only people who get excited about it are a group that won't be voting for Biden anyway.
Complete waste of OPs and electrons

[emmaverybo]

37. Yes. Started way back with Linda Flores. What one could call a concerted effort.

[Skya Rhen]

143. Flores brought me to DU. I decided to get off the sidelines and go all in for Joe. He didn't deserve

that character assassination attempt. He is too good of a man...

[emmaverybo]

150. Glad you are here. When Flores accused him of mocking the issue of consent, twisting an

inoffensive, self-effacing joke he made about hugging a little boy, I really felt her complaint had gone too far. Whether a gaffe or not, I leave to others to judge, but Biden mocking rape victims as she meant to imply?

I believe also that Biden is a good man and has done good on behalf of women.

[Bayard]

33. I thought Joe did very well in the climate change discussion tonight.

He's my guy.

[Duppers]

48. I *must* watch the rerun.

Missed it.

Every candidate should be discussing global warming.

[Demsrule86]

94. I did too.

[guillaumeb]

35. That depends.

Are the stories correct?

[4now]

40. To me It just means that some are getting more desperate

[Croney]

45. And I don't know whose opinion they're trying to change.

Looking at the facts and reading all the stories, I still think I'm backing the best candidate at this time, while greatly admiring several others.

[Green Line]

41. Hell yes

[highplainsdem]

42. Yes. But it's depressing to see some Democrats trying so hard to take down the candidate

polls show would be the strongest against Trump.

I'd like to see an electoral college victory this time, not just a popular vote victory. And Biden seems to be the candidate with the best chance of winning that electoral college victory for us.

[SCVDem]

43. Joe is on Colbert tonight

Must see TV!

[EveHammond13]

44. Yes

[NurseJackie]

46. It makes me happy...

... to know how much Biden scares them all.

[OhZone]

47. Hell Yes!

Oh Yeah!

[world wide wally]

49. We are lucky to have him!

You don't know what you got until you lose it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. I'm still on the fence, but the stories are not turning me against him.

Especially since they seem to be the same stories over and over, posted by mostly the same people. I can't help but sympathize with him, at least, when there seems to be a concerted effort to trash him using the same stories over and over and the same tired, stale "gaffe" meme.

[redstateblues]

52. All you Joe supporters are not supposed to be enthusiastic. SO STOP IT RIGHT NOW!

[Tiggeroshii]

53. Nope.

His lying about his support for the iraq war was an example.

[Wawannabe]

54. Hell to the yes! nt

[amuse bouche]

55. Come on..he couldn't remember Obama's name. He called him 'President...my boss'

[LincolnRossiter]

56. I once heard him call Jill Biden "my wife."

The old guy is really slippin’.

[amuse bouche]

100. Denial is sad and doesn't change the facts

[amuse bouche]

120. I agree. It's bad. We have too many great candidates to settle

[cstanleytech]

59. Personally I find threads that try to attack one of our people while trying to portray one of the

others as the only "real" Democrat and the one we should all be supporting to be extremely annoying.
Edit: Also I should point out they do not influence me to support or decline to support the candidate rather they cause me to add the poster to ignore more often than not as the candidate is not at fault for maybe having a jackass as a follower.

[Demsrule86]

95. This has nothing to do with the OP and you are not as Biden supporter.

I am not sure even what you mean.

[vsrazdem]

61. I'm sure Biden supporters can deal with it. They like him and they will stick with him through

the primary. Bernie supporters have been dealing with the same issue forever.

[LincolnRossiter]

63. Handle it? It fuels us. The attacks keep coming but Joe keeps going.

That’s what we need. By the time Trump unleashes his shenanigans on Joe it’ll all be old hat and he’ll be prepared endure. Most candidates couldn’t withstand the singular focus that the media’s aimed at Joe. He’s getting better at parrying the jabs.

[emmaverybo]

72. Good point. Handled himself beautifully with Colbert and good showing on climate change. I also

see some strong interviews now where he seems centered, conveys his campaign’s message well, but doesn’t come across as cocky. I feel he is hitting his stride.

[betsuni]

65. It's the same as last time.

Iraq War vote (warmonger!)
1994 Crime bill (racist!)
Wall Street (beholden to Big Banks!)
Fundraising (beholden to lobbyists and wealth donor elites!)
fracking (beholden to fossil fuel industry!)
health problems
lying

The only thing different are the gaffes, which to the press are what emails were.

I'm still undecided, but these anti-Biden threads make me defend him and like him more.

[cheezmaka]

67. Yes

Biden is the one to take it to Trump. I would NOT take a chance with anyone else and risk another four years with 45....

[elleng]

68. They have no effect on my feelings and thoughts about him,

but re: the perpetrators, that's another thing entirely.

[emulatorloo]

135. Same here. Undecided yet, but negative scorched earth campaigning never works on me.

[crazytown]

69. The some anti-Biden threads remind me of Republicans attacking a Democrat

You could cut and paste some of the phrases. So yeah, I'll stand up against to GOP talking points . Period.

So keep your auditions for somebody
Who hasn't got so much to lose
'Cause you can tell by the lines I'm reciting
That I've seen that movie too - Elton John

[Demsrule86]

96. Most of the sources originate in the right wing...disgusting to post such as that.

Sure, they wait until the post or the times pick it up...or the cable stations...but it comes from the right.

[Gothmog]

70. Yep

Link to tweet

[TreasonousBastard]

76. Not exactly a "Biden supporter" although I do have him close to the top...

First, NOBODY is perfect.

Biden has made a few bad calls and mistakes over the many years he's been in public life. Probably a bunch more in private life.

But, I firmly believe every one of these horrific misdeeds ( , just in case...) was done after somber and sober deliberation, and he was often in the position of choosing the "least bad" option.

None of these incidents disqualify him from the Presidency. All they do is show that he is human.

[BlueTsunami2018]

80. No, I just sigh and move on.

It makes me a little sad really. Like we don’t want to win. There’s so much real, serious shit on the other side that nitpicking our own over nonsense is folly.

But it is what it is I guess.

[procon]

81. Love? I don't make my political decisions based on

an emotional reaction. Why would anyone be that shallow and uninformed with so much at stake?

No thanks.

I look at the historical record, his character, integrity, trustworthiness, steadiness under fire, and experience in dealing with our allies and enemies alike. His expertise in navigating through complex political and diplomatic conflicts both domestic and foriegn is unriveled in the current field.

Biden has been a selfless public servant most of his life. His constituents keep voting him back into office. Most importantly, President Obama, a man whom I deeply admire, chose Biden to be his VEEP for both terms. That's a powerful endorsement that mitigates the silliness of his misspoken annecdotes.

[LincolnRossiter]

85. You must be a hoot at parties...

Have some coffee. lol.

[LanternWaste]

91. It's fun to pretend formal and colloquial speech are equivalent in meaning.

It allows us a convenient pretense of self-cleverness we may not otherwise have had access to.

No thanks, indeed.

[emmaverybo]

137. THIS: "...experience in dealing with our allies and enemies alike. His expertise in navigating

through complex political and diplomatic conflicts both domestic and foreign is unrivaled in the current field.”

Keep up the coffee!

I despair that this, Joe’s specific expertise, so sorely needed at this time in history, is undervalued.

[stonecutter357]

82. let's go Joe !

[Skid Rogue]

83. Same old crap...

different front runner. If DU during Hillary's primary bid didn't toughen your skin nothing will.

[LanternWaste]

86. I think it was Ghandi's kid brother Timmy who said

“I like your Sanders, I do not like your Sanders supporters. Your Sanders supporters are so unlike your Sanders.”

Every "this is troubling for Biden" or "this is concerning" post or response gets Biden another five bucks from me this week.

[Demsrule86]

88. Yes, I know they are bullshit... and I ignore them...and make a note of who posts this sort of thing

I have made a pledge to suport my candidate Biden...but not trash other candidates...it only hurts us. I have little respect for those who attack other Democrats...thinking it helps their candidates. I slipped up after the first debate but since then have not have not posted any negative articles about other candidates. Someone has to win and we don't want to help the other side.

[NurseJackie]

97. Always the same ones, I've noticed.

and make a note of who posts this sort of thing

Always the same ones, I've noticed. And typically supporters of the same candidate (either currently, or historically) and that reveals much to me as well. All I'm saying is that it's pretty obvious that with these types of posts, they're getting worried and nervous. Biden frightens them when they see their currently preferred (or historically preferred) candidate's chances slipping away. In fairness, I understand that they want "their" candidate to prevail... but it's very short sighted to try and "kneecap" the party's likely nominee with things like "but his gaffes" and "but his IWR".

[Demsrule86]

98. It sure is...and we can support candidates with out trashing those we don't support...

[Hassin Bin Sober]

106. Always the same ones indeed.

[NurseJackie]

108. I know, right? HA!

[Demsrule86]

161. I feel Bernie has been treated unfairly as well as Biden by the media.

He is in second place but you would never know it with all the Warren momentum and enthusiasm yada yada here.

[Gothmog]

99. Joe was great last night at the townhall

Link to tweet

[ooky]

104. I thought so too.

He was sharp and on point with his responses to the questions and sounded like someone who knew what he was talking about.

[Thekaspervote]

110. The Sierra Club chooses Biden! Founded in 1892 it is The gold standard of environmental orgs

[JustAnotherGen]

101. I'm undecided but

The hen pecking of Biden EVERYWHERE is working my last nerve.

We could take 50 years of Biden's supposed so-called "gaffes" and they would make more sense and be more HONEST than any single 45 / 280 tweet.

[Polly Hennessey]

102. Hell yes.

[brooklynite]

103. How many do you feel are inappropriate?

Anyone is welcome to post something about the candidates I support without being criticized for "bashing"...

[Iliyah]

105. The constant

negativity of VP Biden reminds me of 2016 election with HRC on the DU.

[Watchfoxheadexplodes]

107. He will be the nominee so threads bashing him

Make me

[cwydro]

119. Nothing anyone posts on a message board has the slightest influence on my opinions.

It surprises me that so many get upset by threads, posts, opinions, or whatever.

[LincolnRossiter]

122. Perhaps nothing you post on a message board influences anyone else's opinion. Which begs the

question of why you’re here. Or why any of us are here. Thanks for weighing in.

[cwydro]

123. I wouldn't expect anything I post to influence anyone.

I enjoy reading DU; that’s why I’m here. I’ve been here since 2005, so don’t worry about why I’m here.

I can’t speak for why anyone else is here, and why should any of us care?

But thanks for responding.

[Demsrule86]

162. You are not correct about this. Social media had a huge role in damping down the vote for Hillary

in 16...let's not do it again.

[progressoid]

126. omg

welcome to Jr. High.

[cwydro]

134. lol.

Well said.

[underthematrix]

127. Vice President Biden is the frontrunner so heat from those

behind him is expected. I'm gonna to continue to follow Joe Biden's lead and NOT TAKE IT personally. I'm gonna vote BLUE no matter who. That's essentially what Biden has said too, which may be why he's the frontrunner.

[Miles Archer]

128. I'm indifferent to them, and I never click on them

I don't base my decisions on what others say.

My chosen candidate is Biden. If another Democrat secures the nomination, I will vote for that Democrat. Period. Until then, he's my chosen candidate, and I am not swayed by winds, whichever way they may blow.

[redstatebluegirl]

129. Of course they are going to bash him, he is in front.

I read an article that said the Sanders people think they can convince Biden supporters to move to BS, not going to happen in this house. The more they bash him, the more I dig in.

[floppyboo]

130. I am not aware of Sanders or Biden attacking each other - supporters aren't on the ballot.

It may be optimistic to think you can change people's minds, and there is a right way to do it, and a wrong way. Just don't pay attention to the meanies out there - on all sides.

[Demsrule86]

163. Very good advice...I agree. Sanders is my second choice as I think it comes

down to Wisconsin and Sanders is the only one who has a chance other than Biden to win this state.

[dubyadiprecession]

131. Hell yes!

I hope joe picks a good running mate. Debbie waserman Shultz, keep your phone charged.

[Kaleva]

139. You'll see similiar responses over at FR about the attacks on Trump

Attacks on Trump just make the Freepers love him more.

[LincolnRossiter]

142. Don't know what FR is, but the difference is that Trump is a piece of shit who constantly says and

does shitty things. So digging in to defend him makes no sense unless one is also a piece of shit.

Joe, on the other hand, is an accomplished, decent, lifelong public servant, yet he’s the focus of 99% of the negative scrutiny in this campaign. And it’s always over stuff that’s either old as hell, petty as hell, or both. So digging in to defend him, especially since there’s A pretty good chance he’s going to be our standard-bearer, is the right thing to do.

Not a good comparison.

[Kaleva]

144. It's human nature to double down on what or whom one supports is what I'm saying

You'll also see by the poll in the link that a great majority of respondents want the option to go negative.

I vow not to say anything critical about any candidate running in the Dem primary

[LincolnRossiter]

145. Of course it is.

It's human nature to double down on what or whom one supports is what I'm saying

Moreso when the criticisms one’s rebuffing are spurious. I doubt you’d find many of us supporting Biden if it came out that he used to beat his wife or was once a member of the KKK. But doubling down in the face of unwarranted screeching by supporters of candidates he’s leading just feels right.

[Kaleva]

146. Did you vote in the poll I provided a link to?

[LincolnRossiter]

147. I just did. But I had to be as honest as most of the rest.

I do vow not to pile on candidates and to try to limit my criticisms to (1) policies and (2) concerns about electability. I honestly don’t like Bernie as a candidate and probably wouldn’t get on well with him as a person, but I don’t take opportunities to start threads bashing him. Kamala’s stinging criticisms of Biden’s racial record really rubbed me the wrong way, but I’m getting over it. Of course I would gladly vote for her should she win the nomination. I have a lot of respect for her.

Everyone else I like. Not the biggest fan of some of Warren’s supporters or the fact that she, as several insiders have said, seems to be getting a “free ride” in the press these days, but I think she’s just a terrific candidate.

[Kaleva]

148. What constitutes constructive criticism and what are baseless attacks depends on the individual

What goes on here in this forum will have no effect whatsoever on the outcome of the primaries but it does have an impact on many members who participate and if DU history is a guide, it will get very ugly here as time goes on.

So I think it best to kind of just step back. I guess it would be different if it had an impact in the real world but it doesn't and it doesn't make any sense to me to allow it to have an impact on my personal real world.

[emmaverybo]

152. Good attitude to emulate--if I can.

[emmaverybo]

151. I could not agree more. And the case could not be better made. NT

[Tarheel_Dem]

149. Yes! and Hell Yes!!!! n/t

[onecaliberal]

153. I will not listen to anything negative about any Dem candidate.

Any of them are a million miles better than what we are currently saddled with. We will be lucky to survive as a democracy.

[Lulu KC]

154. Yes, I do love him more and

I am about 2,000% aware of the ageism in our culture. It is like water. Old people annoyed us when we were young, but we'd just call our friends on the landline to complain. Now it is in our face all the time.
Cultural issues galore.

[liberal N proud]

155. You just have to consider the source and remember what 4 years ago was here on DU

[Demsrule86]

165. Yeah...it was hell. The new rules have really helped.

[Gothmog]

166. We all have a responsibility to stand up and speak out when we see abuse of power

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

167. "Voters just don't care... they think that he's an honorable man..."

Link to tweet

[BlueMississippi]

168. Oh hell yes!!! nt

[cynatnite]

169. He's been gaffe prone for years....it's nothing new....

I've always liked him.

[Gothmog]

170. These alleged gaffes are eye-rolling examples of the absurdity of the press or the woke left

Link to tweet

To many Biden supporters, who polls consistently show are older, more working class, and more culturally conservative, these alleged gaffes are eye-rolling examples of the absurdity of the press or the woke left. They think the young activist in eastern Iowa should toughen up, that the throwaway line to the 13-year-old is endearing, and that Biden’s lack of precision when he speaks, about scooters or so many other things, is a sign of his authenticity. And they grouse that Biden is held to a standard President Donald Trump is not.

How Democrats see such episodes is at the heart of the Democratic primary. One side views these sorts of typical Biden campaign-trail moments as evidence of a politician well past his prime — casually sexist in a way that might have gone unremarked in, say, 1973 when he first joined the Senate. His supporters see them as good examples of why he’s the lovable Democrat best-suited to beat Trump. What is clear is that the critics, who are louder and more visible online and on cable TV, have had absolutely no impact on changing Biden’s status as the steady front-runner in the race.

This woke-working class divide is at the heart of the most salient fact about the Democratic primaries: Nothing has damaged Biden. Biden entered the race with about 30 percent support nationally and he has that same 30 percent today.