Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumVOX re last night Winners: Inslee, Bernie and Democrats! Losers: Biden, Oil/Gas and Meat
Also listed as winners: The Audience , The Sunrise Movement, and CNN.
6 winners and 3 losers from CNNs climate town hall
Winner: Bernie Sanders
At the forum, Sanders benefited from following Biden, who was as rambling and unfocused as he has been this whole campaign season. By contrast, Sanders was sharp and on-message, with easy command over the details of his plan. And the more intimate setting allowed Sanders moments of quiet reflection and especially in response to a question about fossil fuel workers real emotion.
Ive spent my entire life fighting for workers, he said. Let me be clear: The coal miners in this country, the men and women who work on the oil rigs, they are not my enemy. My enemy is climate change.
Loser: Joe Biden
Joe Bidens big moment at the CNN town hall was not one he was hoping for: He was called out for planning to attend a Thursday campaign fundraiser co-hosted by Andrew Goldman, who helped found the natural gas company Western LNG.
Although Goldman isnt technically a fossil fuel executive and isnt part of day-to-day operations at the company, Biden said hed consider pulling out of the fundraiser if there was more of a link between the two. But even a whiff of coziness between Biden and someone with ties to a fossil fuel company wont make climate activists happy. (Immediately after the debate, Sunrise called on Biden to cancel the fundraiser.)
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)still a winner.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)but I'll allow it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LongtimeAZDem
(4,494 posts)who was in Square Roots: The Story of SpongeBob SquarePants with Alec Baldwin, who was in She's Having a Baby with Kevin Bacon
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,762 posts)whopper from Burger King is overcooked and dry but it's just the RIGHT SIZE. Just a public service announcement.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BannonsLiver
(16,162 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(44,762 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Otto Lidenbrock
(581 posts)Nothing they can do or say will work for these publications. The goalposts shift, at best you see a reluctant thumbs up.
Biden was the only one who had the receipts of actually doing something in the distant past regarding climate change before it was universally accepted as a crucial issue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)I mean the Sanders campaign complaining about WAPO was an affront to the Free Press and damn near fascism.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Otto Lidenbrock
(581 posts)That's the difference.
Biden staffers aren't enabling pile ons on individual reporters either.
And for the record I defended Bernie from a WaPo piece aimed at his wife's college presidency on here last week as a mountain made from a molehill.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Disqualifying.
(You guys turned me onto the alleged 'concern' thing. It's fun! Thanks!)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Otto Lidenbrock
(581 posts)Those so called progressives hated Hillary so much they thought Trump who was campaigning on - banning Muslims, building a wall, calling Mexicans rapists, insulting a Gold Star family because of their religion, accused of sexual assault by multiple women, ran fraud businesses - was more likely to turn left if he got in than Hillary.
Morons.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)I get it. We cling to our narratives even when they are unsupported by evidence...because it comforts us...blah blah etc.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Autumn
(44,762 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Otto Lidenbrock
(581 posts)The upshot of Bidens Global Climate Protection Act was to call on the president to set up a task force to plan how to mitigate global warming.
Biden spoke about the bill on the Senate floor in January 1987 in terms that seem uncannily familiar to present-day warnings. He discussed, among other ills, the threat to human habitat resulting from melting polar ice caps and rising sea levels.
"Life on this planet exists only under highly specialized circumstances," Biden said during a Senate session. "Indeed, so special are these circumstances that even a small rise in temperature could disrupt the entire complicated environment that has nurtured life as we know it."
The measure also called on the president to make climate change a higher priority item on the U.S.-Soviet agenda.
"President Reagan told Secretary General Gorbachev that if we had an invasion from Mars, both sides would put aside our differences. While not an exterrestrial threat, global warming could prove no less dangerous," Biden said.
Bidens amendment became law when Reagan signed the Foreign Relations Authorization Act on Dec. 12, 1987.
While other legislation predates Bidens bill, they addressed climate generally and didnt cite global warming mitigation as a specific goal, wrote Roel Hammerschlag, an associate scientist at the Stockholm Environment Institute, in a 2007 law review article.
At the same time, its important not to overstate the impact of Bidens bill, said Josh Howe, a professor of history and environmental studies at Reed College.
"It's significant insofar as Biden has been more or less on top of the issue since the mid '80s. But let's not stretch the intent of the bill and suggest that this was a comprehensive plan for reducing emissions or adapting to the consequences of climatic change," he said. "It was a plan to make a plan. Which, of course, neither Reagan nor Bush ultimately did."
Some historians argue that climate change and greenhouse gases were the motivation behind a provision of the Clean Air Act of 1963, according to John Reilly, an MIT professor and climate change expert.
Even if you take the view that the Clean Air Act, or Gores non-binding resolution, should be classified as climate change bills, Biden didnt claim to propose the first climate change bill rather, he claimed he was one of the first.
Paul Bledsoe, a former Clinton White House climate staff member who is now a strategic advisor at the Progressive Policy Institute, told us Biden deserves his due.
"Without question, Biden was among the earliest supporters of climate change action in Congress," Bledsoe said. "His 1987 bill was focused on forcing the Reagan Administration to establish a wide-ranging White House Task Force on Climate Change, a critical action that in fact was not taken until the Clinton Administration, so it was both prescient and influential on long-term policy."
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2019/may/08/joe-biden/was-joe-biden-climate-change-pioneer-congress-hist/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,762 posts)Okay. I give him his due on that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)Published in The Atlantic magazine. Link unavailable as the site was currently undergoing web maintenance
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
vsrazdem
(2,176 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Thekaspervote
(32,606 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 5, 2019, 04:32 PM - Edit history (1)
In a statement, Sierra Club political director Khalid Pitts said that Biden has helped lead the fight to protect our communities and families from toxic pollution, so we can be sure that any public debate he is a part of is guaranteed to include a robust and thorough discussion of climate action and clean-energy issues."
More at the link: which discusses others as well. Khalid Pitts the Sierra Club director does not talk about the other candidates.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/how-green-is-joe-biden/452970/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Autumn
(44,762 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)That doesn't mean they "back" Biden.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...has nothing to do with Western LNG. But of course, that has to be thrown in here anyway.
And who is "Sunrise Movement" to be telling candidates what they should or shouldn't do?
Then there's this:
What exactly WILL make climate activists happy? They seem to have a problem with everyone and anyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)lead·er·ship
/ˈlēdərˌSHip/
noun
the action of leading a group of people or an organization.
From the about us page on Western LNG
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jalan48
(13,798 posts)I'm glad to see young people included in the discussion as well.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Talk about timing, same moment...
Joe Biden@JoeBiden
We can't turn a blind eye to the way in which environmental burdens are distributed unevenly...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Thanks for the thread Hassin Bin Sober.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PDittie
(8,322 posts)the DNC, for everything they have done to try to prevent last night from happening.
I thought about not posting this, but some things need to be said. Moreover, some realities must be acknowledged. As Al Gore said: " an inconvenient truth".
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided