Joe Biden: Hillary Clinton shouldn't have talked about Access Hollywood tape in debate

[Eric J in MN]

Hillary Clinton in her second debate with Trump:

“I said starting back in June that he was not fit to be president and commander-in-chief,” Clinton said during the debate. The Access Hollywood tape, she said, showed “what he thinks about women, what he does to women. And he has said that the video doesn't represent who he is.”

“We have seen him insult women. We've seen him rate women on their appearance, ranking them from one to ten. We've seen him embarrass women on TV and on Twitter. We saw him after the first debate spend nearly a week denigrating a former Miss Universe in the harshest, most personal terms.”

Joe Biden recently:

“I remember at the time saying, you know, the first question that’s going to be asked is they’re going to ask [Trump] about his comments about the Access Hollywood tape,” Biden said Friday as he recounted the conversation. “And I said, I really think what should be done is — that they’re going to turn to [Clinton] and say, ‘What’s your view?’ And I said, I’d respectfully recommend she stand there and … say, ‘Everybody knows who Donald Trump is. Let me tell you what I am going to do for the country,’ and not get into the debate, because it just drags it down.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/joe-biden-hillary-clinton-trump-access-hollywood

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. He's right.

[brush]

60. He should stop talking about the past. Every time he does it it brings trouble.

Stop with the unforced errors.

[emmaverybo]

98. Trouble from the people who like to create trouble for him. Don't judge all voters by the usual

suspects. All he has to do is exist for them to pounce.

Interestingly, the candidates you would say are doing it right are not leading the pack. Maybe you ought to advise them.

[brush]

99. You actually think his reminiscences of the past have been helpful? I want the one who can beat...

trump to get to the finish line and he's looking like the most likely one. These forays backwards though don't help. He's got way more baggage to defend than any other candidate. Just look forward.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

107. I agree, it sure doesn't seem to be helping... so why do it?

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

[delisen]

109. Biden is bringing this up for a reason.

I think he is seeking to appeal to Trump voters for whom human rights of women are not a priority.

It is not a strategy I agree with-I think Democrats should stand strong against debasement of women and that we will actually garner more respect if we do.

[pnwmom]

82. He was absolutely wrong. n/t

[LenaBaby61]

2. 😑

[LincolnRossiter]

5. Love Hillary, but you might want to google her favorability ratings.

A number of pollsters still ask about her and other prominent people who aren’t currently running. Her numbers are bad.

[thesquanderer]

69. Polls well after the election do not show her winning if election were held again.

see https://www.mediaite.com/online/poll-donald-trump-is-still-more-popular-than-hillary-clinton/
for a poll from July 2017

and then from November 2017...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/11/06/12-months-later-trump-would-probably-still-win-the-2016-election/

"12 months later, Trump would probably still win the 2016 election"

Confronted with the events of the past 12 months and even Trump's unprecedented unpopularity — 59 percent disapprove of his presidency — a new poll shows that 2016 voters look as though they'd still pick Trump, albeit about as narrowly as they did before.

The Washington Post-ABC News poll asked respondents how they'd vote in a redo of the 2016 election, and, if anything, Clinton seems to have lost more ground than Trump. Among those who voted, 46 percent say they picked Clinton last year and 43 percent picked Trump — a slightly more favorable sample than the 2016 election, in which Clinton won the popular vote by two percentage points. But in a head-to-head rematch, Clinton's support drops even more than Trump's does, and they wind up in a 40-40 tie. Given that Trump overperformed in key, blue-leaning swing states, that means he'd probably have won again.

Interestingly, Clinton actually seems to have lost that ground because of disillusioned Democrats. Even as the Trump presidency has unified the Democratic Party against him and his policies, just 72 percent of Democrats said they would vote for Clinton in a rematch — vs. the 84 percent who said they did vote for Clinton last year. Trump's share of the Republican Party, meanwhile, dropped just five points from 89 percent who said they did vote for him to 84 percent who said they would do it again.

(Almost all of the Democrats who would no longer vote for Clinton would opt for a third choice — 9 percent go to Gary Johnson, Jill Stein or someone else — while the others would not pick a candidate. Trump does not pick up any of this support)

[delisen]

39. Putin hates Human Rights Hillary

That's why he promoted Trump, Sanders and Stein.

[pnwmom]

83. She got 4 million more votes than the other guy in the primary, and almost 3 million more

than DT.

What does her current popularity have to do with that debate?

[LincolnRossiter]

86. The poster I responded to said she was 10x more popular than Biden.

That’s demonstrably not the case.

[pnwmom]

88. Hillary was popular enough to win the Democratic primaries by 4 million votes.

We don't know yet whether Joe will win. So you're getting ahead of your skis.

[LincolnRossiter]

89. A better measure of popularity than two elections held four years apart are favorability ratings

taken contemporaneously. Hillary went from being the most popular woman in the world to having the second highest negatives of any major party nominee in history (Trump was first). The 2016 election took a major toll on her public standing—fairly or not.

This is a stupid argument, though. Biden is entitled to say what he’ll do differently against Trump and to comment on where he thinks our last nominee fell short against him.

“Ahead of my skis?” Lol.

[pnwmom]

92. That's a very poor measure. Hillary, unlike the person you're comparing her with,

has been staying out of the limelight -- while Trump continues to trash her at every opportunity. She's been doing nothing to defend herself or burnish her credentials because she isn't running for President and her poll numbers are unimportant.

What Biden said about Hillary is guaranteed to annoy millions of the people, especially women, who voted for her. Apparently he thinks that's a good idea. Good luck with that.

[myohmy2]

12. +1

...

[cwydro]

49. ...

[Hoyt]

4. Don't see a problem with that. Now if he had told a mom to shut her baby up. . . . .

[YOHABLO]

6. Well that's some water that has moved 'way past' under the bridge. Hindsight is 20/20

[George II]

8. Is there a reason why you posted this?

[Eric J in MN]

9. Buzzfeed published an article about this today.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/joe-biden-hillary-clinton-trump-access-hollywood

[George II]

10. I know, but is there a reason why you posted this?

[Autumn]

44. Is there a reason it shouldn't be posted? Let's check and see.

Primary candidate? Yes.
Current article? Yes.
Are copyrights respected? Yes.
Posted on a political discussion board? Yes.
Is it in the correct forum? Yes.
Did the poster follow site rules? Yes.
Is there a rule against someone posting ? No.

[George II]

46. Are you now posters' spokeperson?

[Autumn]

47. No, I'm not. Just curious if are you now the chief executive officer of what is posted and why

articles are posted? I haven't seen any announcements.

[Tipperary]

50. There seems to be a recent rash of posters telling others what to post or not post.

I hear ya.

[Autumn]

52. Yes, and I'm almost certain if there were new rules or admins there would

have been an announcement. Or if MIRT duties were expanded to policing and deciding on content that would have been announced also. I checked the Announcements (Group) and saw nothing.

[Tipperary]

54. Ha!

Love it!

[George II]

63. I've come to expect you to follow me around here. Second post of the day, a response....

....to a question that wasn't directed to you.

Have a great day.

[Autumn]

65. I reply in kind George. You do that often, sometimes up to 6 or 7 times in one thread.

I can keep track too. You have a great one.

[George II]

66. More often than not in threads that I myself have started.

[Autumn]

67. You demand answers but never give them. More often when other people

start threads or respond to them. Are we going on your merry go round? If so I'm getting off now, it's a lovely day.

[True Dough]

111. Check, and checkmate!

[onecaliberal]

11. FFS n/t

[DURHAM D]

13. Apparently Joe thinks he can win the nomination without

Hillary voters and women generally.

Why is he talking about this? Seems like he is always insecure when the subject of Hillary comes up.

[highplainsdem]

20. Did you even read the article? It explains why he was talking about debating Trump -- that

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he was asked about how he'd debate Trump without coming off as too antagonistic.

From the article -- two important paragraphs that should have been in the OP:

The remarks came during a long response Biden offered to a supporter who wondered how the former vice president would debate Trump without coming off as too antagonistic.

“I think the biggest mistake that was made, and everyone underestimated it the last time about President Trump, the place he’s most comfortable is in the gutter arguing,” Biden said at the outset of his reply during a town hall-style forum at a park overlooking the New Hampshire coast.

That was why Biden had offered Clinton that advice.

Trump was not only ready to respond to anything HRC said about the Access Hollywood tape by going after Bill Clinton, his campaign had brought in women who'd accused Bill Clinton of assault, and they held a press conference featuring them right before the debate.

And Biden saw that sort of thing coming.

FWIW, HRC DID try to pivot away from the subject, after Trump mentioned the accusations against Bill, but Trump was determined to stay in the gutter.

I'm going to quote that part of the debate below -- I think it's okay to quote this much of a transcript of a public debate:

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/2016-presidential-debate-transcript-229519

Trump: That was locker room talk. I'm not proud of it. I am a person who has great respect for people, for my family, for the people of this country and certainly I am not proud of it, but that was something that happened. If you look at Bill Clinton, far worse. Mine are words and his was action. His words, what he has done to women. There’s never been anybody in the history of politics in this nation that has been so abusive to women. So you can say any way you want to say it, but Bill Clinton is abusive to women. Hillary Clinton attacked those same women, and attacked them viciously, four of them here tonight. One of the women, who is a wonderful woman at 12 years old was raped. At 12. Her client, she represented, got him off and she is seen laughing on two occasions laughing at the girl who was raped. Kathy Shelton, that young woman, is here with us tonight. So don't tell me about words. I am, absolutely, I apologize for those words, but it is things that people say, but what President Clinton did, he was impeached, he lost his license to practice law, he had to pay an $850,000 fine to one of the women. Paula Jones who is also here tonight. And I will tell you that when Hillary brings up a point like that and she talks about words that I said 11 years ago, I think it's disgraceful and I think she should be ashamed of herself, if you want to know the truth.

Raddatz: Please hold the applause. Secretary Clinton, you have two minutes.

Clinton: Well, first let me start by saying that so much of what he just said is not right, but he gets to run his campaign any way he chooses. He gets to decide what he wants to talk about instead of answering people's questions, talking about our agenda, laying out the plans that we have that we think can make a better life and a better country. That's his choice. When I hear something like that, I am reminded of what my friend Michelle Obama advised us all. When they go low, you go high.

[ Applause ]

And look, if this were just about one video, maybe what he is saying tonight would be understandable. But everyone can draw their own conclusions at this point about whether or not the man in the video or the man on the stage respects women. But he never apologizes for anything to anyone. He never apologized to Mr. And Mrs. Khan, the gold star family whose son, Captain Khan died in the line of duty in Iraq and Donald insulted and attacked them for weeks over their religion. He never apologized to the distinguished federal judge who was born in Indiana, but Donald said he couldn't be trusted to be a judge because his parents were "Mexican." He never apologized to the reporter that he mimicked and mocked on national television and our children were watching. And he never apologized for the racist lie that President Obama was not born in the United States of America. He owes the president an apology and he owes our country an apology and he needs to take responsibility for his actions and his words.

Trump: Well you owe the president an apology because as you know very well, your campaign, Sidney Blumenthal, he’s another real winner that you have and he’s the one that got this started along with your campaign manager and they were on television just two weeks ago, she was saying exactly that. So you really owe him an apology. You’re the one that sent the pictures around, your campaign sent the pictures around with President Obama in a certain garb, that was long before I was ever involved. So you actually owe an apology. Number two, Michelle Obama. I’ve gotten to see the commercials that they did on you and the I’ve gotten to see some of the most vicious commercials I’ve ever seen, of Michelle Obama talking about you, Hillary. So you talk about framed, go back and take a look at those commercials. A race where you lost, fair and square, unlike the Bernie Sanders race where you won, but not fair and square, in my opinion and all you have to do is take a look at WikiLeaks and just see what they said about Bernie Sanders and see what Debra Wasserman Schultz had in mind, because Bernie Sanders, between superdelegates and Debra Wasserman Schultz, he never had a chance and I was so surprised to see him sign on with the devil. But when we talk about apology, I think the one that you should really be apologizing for, the thing that you should be apologizing for are the 33,000 e-mails that you deleted and that you acid washed and the two boxes of e-mails and other things last week that were taken from an office and are now missing. And I tell you what, I didn't think I would say this, but I'm going to and I hate to say it. But if I win, I am going to instruct my attorney general to get a special prosecutor to look into your situation. Because there has never been so many lies, so much deception. There has never been anything like it. And we’re gonna have a special prosecutor. When I speak, I go out and speak, the people of this country are furious. In my opinion, the people that have been long time workers at the FBI are furious. There has never been anything like this where e-mails, and you get a subpoena. You get a subpoena, and after getting the subpoena you delete 33,000 e-mails and then you acid wash them or bleach them, as you would say. Very expensive process. So we’re gonna get a special prosecutor and we’re gonna look into it. Because you know what, people have been -- their lives have been destroyed for doing 1/5 of what you have done. And it’s a disgrace, and honestly, you oughta be ashamed of yourself.

Raddatz: Secretary Clinton,I will let you respond.

Clinton: Everything he just said is absolutely false, but I’m not surprised. In the first debate, I told people it would be impossible to be fact checking Donald all the time. I would never get to talk about anything I’d want to do and how we’re really, going to really, make lives better for people. So once again, go to Hillaryclinton.com. We have literally Trump - you can fact check him in real time. Last time at the first debate ,we had millions of people fact checking so I expect we will have millions more fact checking because, you know, it's just awfully good that someone with the temperament of Donald Trump is not in charge of the law in our country.

Trump: Because you would be in jail.

Emphasis added.

What the article said about Biden's description of the advice he gave Clinton:

“I remember at the time saying, you know, the first question that’s going to be asked is they’re going to ask [Trump] about his comments about the Access Hollywood tape,” Biden said Friday as he recounted the conversation. “And I said, I really think what should be done is — that they’re going to turn to [Clinton] and say, ‘What’s your view?’ And I said, I’d respectfully recommend she stand there and … say, ‘Everybody knows who Donald Trump is. Let me tell you what I am going to do for the country,’ and not get into the debate, because it just drags it down.

To me, rereading the transcript, it reads as if she was trying to do what Biden had advised, though the debate had already, unfortunately, been dragged into the gutter.

[pnwmom]

84. Most of us are more concerned about our nominee being STRONG enough against Trump.

The last thing we're worried about is that he or she will seem "too antagonistic."

We don't want to see Joe simply debate policy with Trump, while acting as if Trump is a normal President. We want him to go for the jugular.

I remember Joe and how eager he was to get along with the R's at the Anita Hill hearings. That's the last thing I want to see at the debate.

[JI7]

14. Trump is the one that dragged everything down. Clinton had to deal with sexism which Biden

doesn't.

but Biden is still better than Sanders .

[highplainsdem]

22. Yes, and Biden said so, in a paragraph from the article left out of the OP. See my reply 20.

[crazytown]

15. The great thing about supporting Warren is

I don't have to constantly 'splain what my candidate was thinking.

[highplainsdem]

23. The article does provide much of the explanation, in paragraphs left out of the OP. See

my reply 20.

Remembering what happened in the debate and looking at the transcript shows why Biden's advice was good.

[treestar]

42. You do have to explain how we are going to get 60 Senators

So a single thing she advocates will get passed.

[crazytown]

43. Ditto Joe

ditto everyone. Moscow Mitch blocked the pubic option last time. Do you really think he has changed his mind?

[BeyondGeography]

61. Yes, reminds me of Obama that way

Well-prepared, economical with her thoughts and words. Maybe it’s a law professor thing.

[abqtommy]

16. I supported and voted for Hillary, partly because she obviously has more cojones

than Joe Biden. (and tRUMP, Barr and McConnel)

[Skittles]

17. I don't think Biden should be giving advice about what to say or not to say

no indeed

[StevieM]

18. I know that everyone feels the need to bash Hillary, but are we now pretending that she didn't

do so well in the debates?

Is this the newest version of history?

[NNadir]

19. Ms Clinton was dogged by misogynists. Matt Lauer, remember him, was the debate "moderator."

He, like Donald Trump, hates and fears strong women because he's a gutless weakling.

All Lauer, pig, cared about was fucking emails, not because they were important, but because Ms. Clinton was a woman, and Lauer and Trump hate women. Pussy grabbing was part of both their games.

Ms. Clinton would have been an outstanding President, but if nothing else, this lesson in Kavanaugh/Trump/Lauer pussy-grabbing idiot frat boy crap has taught the world that a great country can be destroyed by a few traitors, a few guys with small dicks and equally small brains, and a healthy dollop of raw childish hatred.

Ms. Clinton owed it to her country to speak about the pussy grabber. Her whole life was involved in fighting that kind of violence. That her country was unworthy of her is not her fault, but the fault of her distracted country.

[BlueMississippi]

25. Don't forget her opposition. nt

[NNadir]

27. I will forget them; history will forget them. They, and their propaganda machines have lost all...

...credibility and are now clowns with Sharpies drawing mustaches on maps.

They've squandered their power like a seventeen year old drunk sailor on leave in with two hundred dollars, a barroom full of gold diggers and pick pockets.

[TDale313]

21. Nope. He's wrong on this.

That tape should have been fucking disqualifying. She absolutely needed to make the point that this is how he treats women, this is who he is. If Biden thinks he’s gonna win this by just floating above the shitstorm we’re in right now, he’s sorely mistaken.

[gordianot]

26. You are correct, instead we had to listen to the incessant carping about emails.

Funny this was Comey’s gift to Trump and now they are mortal enemies.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

108. Not sure I understand Joe's strategy on this, but he is a seasoned politician...

so maybe he knows something that others are missing?


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

[BlueMississippi]

24. This makes neither Biden nor Hillary look bad.

Lifelong Democrats both and even after losing the primaries, neither threw a fit and said DNC had rigged the election. Both campaigned vigorously and with full effort for the eventual nominee and united the party. We all know who didn't.

[betsuni]

29. +1

[NanceGreggs]

30. Well said.

And welcome to DU.

[Eric J in MN]

31. Bernie Sanders did more public events for Hillary Clinton

...in 2016 than Hillary Clinton did for Obama in 2008.

[betsuni]

32. Link. No way that's true.

[melman]

33. Of course it is

Confirmed and verified.

[betsuni]

35. But where?

I can't find any information on the number of events Hillary did for Obama.

[betsuni]

37. Please prove it is confirmed and verified.

I can't find that online.

[betsuni]

59. Where?

[betsuni]

112. Where?

[melman]

115. Did you ever consider that there might be a reason

for this?

[betsuni]

38. Please provide links to this.

I can't find any information about how many public events Clinton did for Obama.

[BlueMississippi]

41. Yeah yeah .. and Trump did more for Americans than FDR, JFK, LBJ and Obama combined

Anyone can say anything to make anyone look good. Reality is different.

[Eric J in MN]

90. Link for 41 events Bernie did for Hillary Clinton

Link to tweet

?s=21

[joshcryer]

94. Note they use "surrogates" in that link.

And note that it starts on September 7, 3 months after she secured the nomination. This is in contrast to Clinton who started day 4 after Obama secured the nomination. It's pure revisionist history.

There was a single solo event where Sanders joined Clinton and that's fucking it. He did virtually nothing. He didn't even bother to hand over his voter lists. He still won't hand over his voter lists.

[melman]

97. Some helpful links for you

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-green-bay/91601568/

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Bernie_Sanders_Nashua_Oct_2016_-_2.jpg


https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/10/06/bernie-sanders-election-survival-middle-class/91666238/


https://www.twincities.com/2016/10/04/bernie-sanders-campaigns-for-hillary-clintonin-minnesota-today/

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/2016/10/17/bernie-bolsters-clinton-csu-rally/92300446/

https://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-bernie-sanders-campaigns-in-pa-20161008-story.html

https://www.opb.org/news/series/election-2016/bernie-sanders-measure-97-oregon-politics/

https://ktar.com/story/1318509/bernie-sanders-campaign-hillary-clinton-tucson-flagstaff/

https://www.azcentral.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/arizona/2016/10/18/bernie-sanders-stumps-for-hillary-clinton-in-flagstaff/92384476/

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-philadelphia-pennsylvania-usa-8th-october-2016-senator-bernie-sanders-122683175.html

https://www.reviewjournal.com/uncategorized/bernie-sanders-campaigns-against-donald-trump-in-reno/

https://bangordailynews.com/2016/10/30/politics/elections/bernie-sanders-returning-to-maine-to-stump-for-clinton/

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/05/bernies-back-madison-time-hillary/91606126/

https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/10/05/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-green-bay/91601568/

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/2016/10/05/16-photos-bernie-sanders-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton-at-drake/91611582/

https://www.wksu.org/post/sanders-tells-ohio-millennials-election-will-determine-if-billionaires-get-it-all#stream/0

https://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/16/bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren-denver/




You're quite welcome!

[BlueMississippi]

96. Fake news nt

[BlueMTexpat]

76. Little bit of wishful

thinking there, methinks!

[Eric J in MN]

91. A link

Link to tweet

?s=21

[joshcryer]

95. The same man who refused to share his voter lists...

... supposedly did 41 events for Hillary. What a joke. Note that they say "other surrogates" in the link. Many of those "events" he couldn't physically been at two of them.

[Eric J in MN]

100. Hillary Clinton rents her list to the DNC, she didn't give it to them.

The phrase "other surrogates" means that sometimes Bernie Sanders was the only one at those events and sometimes other people were also there with Bernie to advocate for her. Bernie was at all the events listed for him.

[lapucelle]

113. HRC "renting" her 2016 lists and data to the DNC is a right wing narrative.

The only "news outlets" for this disinformation are right wing sources like The Intercept, Fox News, Breitbart, and Sean Hannity.

[joshcryer]

93. That is simply 100% untrue.

[Eric J in MN]

101. Google: Bernie Sanders and 2016 and the names of the cities. NT

NT

[dalton99a]

48. +1

[Hassin Bin Sober]

28. This is disqualifying

[StarfishSaver]

34. Mansplaining's never a good look, Joe

Mansplaining to Hillary Clinton is really a bad look.

You might wanna just leave this one alone.

[Pachamama]

51. +100000

Completely agree

[seaglass]

36. This is one of the many reasons I cannot support Joe in the primary. Considering he is a two time

loser in running for president I doubt Hillary's campaign was much interested in his advice if this even happened.

[delisen]

40. Think Biden should not criticize Dems

especially on human rights issues.

Best that all Dems stand strong on human rights, respect for all.

It is what distinguishes us as a party.

[betsuni]

55. "not want to get anywhere near the Goldman Sachs territory"

Tell us what was diabolical about a speech she gave many times to many different organizations.

What the fuck: "It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech which you would want to share with the American people. It must be Shakespearean!"

[jcgoldie]

53. What the fuck is the point of criticizing Hillary Clinton right now?

Good grief Biden should know better.

[elocs]

57. I'd say the #1 thing Hillary would have changed if she could

would be to NOT use her private email for government business.

[StarfishSaver]

64. It wouldn't have mattered

They'd only have found something else to latch onto and the press would have happily joined them.

None of this had anything to do with her emails. The emails were just an excuse and would have been replaced with a different excuse if that wasn't available.

[Mike Nelson]

58. She did both...

... and I think she did well.

[Merlot]

62. Another man tells a woman what she "should" do

or should have done. Well, isn't that special?

Ironically dragging down the discussion by talking about how not to drag down the discussion.

[Firestorm49]

68. Well, it didn't matter. She won the popular vote. Again, Biden's conservatism.

[emmaverybo]

71. The saying don't get in the mud with a pig because you'll get dirty and the pig will love it is

not conservative, just wisdom.

[BeyondGeography]

72. Just another unnecessary remark creating a headline with zero upside

It’s what undisciplined candidates do.

[emmaverybo]

74. Undisciplined candidates create scads of plans that are not doable, will cost untold trillions and

political capital needed to protect existing, imperiled social safety net and underfunded programs, and that are giveaways to rich as well as poor. Progressive candidates need to have the discipline to prune and prioritize these plans.

[BeyondGeography]

75. Lol, nice try

John Delaney couldn’t have said it better.

[emmaverybo]

79. This is all the game you have--accusing liberals who are not progressive enough for your taste of

being Republicans. It’s a divisive tactic which amounts to nothing but a transparent and unfair smear.

Biden’s advice was not political, but practical, and as borne out by the debate transcripts cited in this thread, prescient.

I won’t dignify your insult against me.

[BeyondGeography]

80. My "game" is nothing of the sort

Biden with a pointless comment about his lame advice to HRC again shows he has a gift for the self-inflicted wound, your easily countered attempt at deflection (speaking of games) notwithstanding.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

73. He should take his own advice.

[EveHammond13]

77. I am in full agreement with the Pivot strategy - Dems don't do it enough

they take the bait and let others set the conversation

[Hav]

78. Entering the thread having only seen the headline,

I disagreed with Biden but he actually has a point in the way he explained his reasoning.
The problem is, it has become common that too many don't read anything except the headline and then comment. We can see the result of that yet again in this thread. It makes discussions kind of tiresome when you have to explain the content of the post which is there to read for everyone.
And the kicker is, people then mock that you have to explain what Biden meant.

[lapfog_1]

81. and this is exactly why I will not support Bernie in any primary

my support goes to anyone but Bernie... because of this sort of attack from his supporters.

If Joe drops out, Warren or Harris, if they drop out, Mayor Pete or Booker or Beto.

[floppyboo]

87. His supporters are not on the ballot.

I still love dogs. And many of my friends are vegetarian.
edit: reminds me of the 'deplorable' thing. I remember looking back at polls, and that kind of attack did not bode well for a Dem win. Remember, this could be your candidate. It is not out of the realm of the possible.
Having said that, I think this is a 'low' OP

[pnwmom]

85. Biden's advice would be the worst way to approach the debate:

‘Everybody knows who Donald Trump is. Let me tell you what I am going to do for the country,’ and not get into the debate, because it just drags it down.

Our candidate should take off the gloves and not treat Trump like he is a normal President. WHO Trump IS must be discussed.

[emmaverybo]

103. It is Biden who from the start has called the Trump presidency an aberration. No other candidate

has so consistently and profoundly taken the fight to Trump—from the launch of his campaign
to his speech in Iowa, Biden has defined Trump as anti-American, as, indeed, the anti-president.

Snip——————————————-

By Jonathan Capeheart for WaPo

In a fiery and blunt speech slamming the tenor, tone and words of President Trump as the nation reels from white nationalist domestic terrorism, former vice president Joe Biden reminded all of us of what a presidential president sounds like. His words were stirring. His delivery was passionate. And they were befitting a man who kicked off his campaign with a video decrying Trump’s shameful response to Charlottesville.

This is no knock on the other Democratic presidential candidates, particularly Sen. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), who gave his own speech on Wednesday at the historic Mother Emanuel church in Charleston, S.C., where a white supremacist murdered nine African American parishoners in 2015. All of the candidates have a moral core and fundamental senses of decency and empathy that Trump never possessed. Yet, unlike teleprompter Trump’s hollow remarks about the carnage in El
Paso and Dayton, Ohio, Biden came at his speech in Iowa with an authority that is hard to match.

Sure, some of that authority has to do with Biden having served side-by-side with the still-popular former president Barack Obama. His voice providing comfort for those of us who long for the days when a grown-up was president of the United States, acted accordingly and wielded the bully pulpit of the Oval Office with moral authority. Instead, in Trump, we have a bully with a pulpit and no moral compass.

Days before the mid-terms,” Biden said of Trump, “he fomented fears of a caravan heading to the United States, creating hysteria. saying ‘look at what is marching up, that is an invasion…An invasion’.” The Democratic front-runner continued through a litany of examples of Trump hurling red meat to his supporters. “At a rally in Florida, when he asked a crowd, ‘How do we stop these people?,’ meaning immigrants, and someone yelled back, ‘Shoot them.’ He smiled,” Biden recounted. And then Biden drew a straight line from Trump’s embrace of white supremacy to the hate-inspired violence we’ve endured.

More at https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/08/07/joe-biden-reminded-all-us-what-presidential-president-would-sound-like/

Certainly the man who authored the VAWA, and under Obama was tasked with its revival, who spoke across the country on campuses to young men about domestic violence and rape, who has championed so many women leaders, is not afraid to confront Trump on his misogyny. His advice to Hilary was not an endorsement of Trump’s sexism. It was a suggestion on strategy having to avoid opening the door to a Trumpian whataboutism on President Clinton to deflect from his own abusevof women.

Again, willful misinterpretation of Biden’s intent,

[pnwmom]

104. Then he shouldn't criticize Hillary for correctly calling Trump out. He expects us to trust him

that he'll fight Trump, while he criticizes Hillary for not just laying out policy.

[emmaverybo]

105. He gave her strategic advice as to avoiding Trump's whataboutism on President Clinton, not

opening the door during a debate. Common legal and political debate strategy. She didn’t take it, Trump delivered a barrage of terrible accusations about her husband, so she then tried to shut the door on the subject.

[pnwmom]

106. All he succeeded in doing with his smug criticism of Hillary is annoy millions

of women who voted for her and approved of what she said to Trump.

But that's fine, if he doesn't care about support from Hillary voters.

(Yes, I know you like him anyway. But many women will not appreciate his disrespect of Hillary, anymore than we appreciated his comments that he, unlike Hillary, could have beaten Trump. There's no evidence of that except in his mind. To believe that, you'd have to believe, for example, that the Russians wouldn't have interfered in a race between Biden and Trump. And that voter suppression wouldn't have happened in a race between Biden and Trump.)

[EffieBlack]

102. Is Biden going to talk about all the dumb sh!t he did in his previous failed presidential bids?

The things that kept him from making it out of the primaries ... Or is he just going to tell us what he thinks Hillary did wrong as the party’s nominee who actually got 3 million more votes than her opponent?

[emmaverybo]

110. Cherry picked the article to stir it up about Biden. Good job gaslighting. Bad job providing context

or facts.