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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
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"I would be so proud to win, but also to make history and elect the first Jewish American president (Original Post) Uncle Joe Sep 2019 OP
He is not a Democrat, I will only vote for a Democrat. katmondoo Sep 2019 #1
He is as Democratic as any other; face the facts. elleng Sep 2019 #2
I will never vote for Bernie to be the First Minister of Scotland. Uncle Joe Sep 2019 #3
??? sheshe2 Sep 2019 #5
... Uncle Joe Sep 2019 #7
So what you are saying... sheshe2 Sep 2019 #9
Point, missed. progressoid Sep 2019 #36
Do you mean, if he wins the nomination, you will not vote for him? pangaia Sep 2019 #4
Bernie... myohmy2 Sep 2019 #10
He's an Independent. shenmue Sep 2019 #28
an independant Democrat. myohmy2 Sep 2019 #31
Hillary included a lot of Bernie's planks on her platform. secondwind Sep 2019 #27
Independent. shenmue Sep 2019 #29
+1 nt Skidmore Sep 2019 #40
+ I am not Jewish and may not vote for him in the primaries ,but it would be a proud moment lunasun Sep 2019 #6
Bernie is white. The majority of Jewish Americans are of European descent. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #8
LOL-where did you get your information? jalan48 Sep 2019 #11
I said the majority of Jews in American are of white European descent. You just corroborated emmaverybo Sep 2019 #16
So Jews are white? jalan48 Sep 2019 #18
No, not all Jews are white. The majority of American Jews of European descent are white. The emmaverybo Sep 2019 #19
Interesting. So are there white Muslims? jalan48 Sep 2019 #21
Bosnia and Herzegovina Zambero Sep 2019 #25
And they are considered white because they lived in these countries? jalan48 Sep 2019 #26
Also Turkey, Albania, Azerbaijan and Kosovo nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #34
Yes elleng Sep 2019 #20
Largely 2 groups, fyi. elleng Sep 2019 #32
"The majority of Jewish Americans are of European descent" crazytown Sep 2019 #13
They fled anti-Semitism. Terrible, but not the same thing. They were not persecuted because they emmaverybo Sep 2019 #17
Perhaps I should have said fleeing aryan supremacy crazytown Sep 2019 #22
Exactly. emmaverybo Sep 2019 #23
Let these guys +those attacking synagogues know that. lunasun Sep 2019 #14
It would. That's a considerate thing to say. JudyM Sep 2019 #39
Thank you... myohmy2 Sep 2019 #12
Thank you myohmy. Uncle Joe Sep 2019 #15
I thought we weren't supposed to be doing "Identity Politics." A EffieBlack Sep 2019 #24
+1 betsuni Sep 2019 #30
Of course they are !! BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #35
Thank you. And good work... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #44
I support BS and would vote for him enthusiastically BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #33
I am Jewish and I am active is a couple of Jewish democratic groups Gothmog Sep 2019 #37
Hadn't heard that Amy K is Jewish. elleng Sep 2019 #38
Klobuchar, who is of Slovenian descent, likes to joke about how often she's asked if she's Jewish. lunasun Sep 2019 #41
Thanks elleng Sep 2019 #42
Would be proud to elect a Jewish American President. Not Bernie. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #43
 

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
1. He is not a Democrat, I will only vote for a Democrat.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:32 PM
Sep 2019
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elleng

(130,865 posts)
2. He is as Democratic as any other; face the facts.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:36 PM
Sep 2019
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Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
3. I will never vote for Bernie to be the First Minister of Scotland.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:38 PM
Sep 2019

One thing is for sure, he is no true Scotsman!

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sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
5. ???
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:47 PM
Sep 2019

That means????? This is getting silly.

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Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
7. ...
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:52 PM
Sep 2019


No true Scotsman, or appeal to purity, is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.[1][2] Rather than denying the counterexample or rejecting the original claim, this fallacy modifies the subject of the assertion to exclude the specific case or others like it by rhetoric, without reference to any specific objective rule ("no true Scotsman would do such a thing"; i.e., those who perform that action are not part of our group and thus criticism of that action is not criticism of the group).[3]

(snip)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

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sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
9. So what you are saying...
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:03 PM
Sep 2019

He is not.

Night.

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progressoid

(49,978 posts)
36. Point, missed.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:56 AM
Sep 2019

Informal fallacy

In contrast to a formal fallacy, an informal fallacy originates in a reasoning error other than a flaw in the logical form of the argument.[5] A deductive argument containing an informal fallacy may be formally valid,[6] but still remain rationally unpersuasive. Nevertheless, informal fallacies apply to both deductive and non-deductive arguments.

Though the form of the argument may be relevant, fallacies of this type are the "types of mistakes in reasoning that arise from the mishandling of the content of the propositions constituting the argument".[24]

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pangaia

(24,324 posts)
4. Do you mean, if he wins the nomination, you will not vote for him?
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:45 PM
Sep 2019
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myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
10. Bernie...
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:06 PM
Sep 2019

...caucuses with the Democrats, Bernie is running in the Democratic Primary, he wants to be the Democratic Candidate for President and should he win, he'll be a Democratic President in the White House...

...how is Bernie not a Democrat?

...

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shenmue

(38,506 posts)
28. He's an Independent.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 02:16 AM
Sep 2019
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myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
31. an independant Democrat.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 07:45 AM
Sep 2019

...

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secondwind

(16,903 posts)
27. Hillary included a lot of Bernie's planks on her platform.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:03 AM
Sep 2019

He is pretty much a Democrat.

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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
6. + I am not Jewish and may not vote for him in the primaries ,but it would be a proud moment
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:47 PM
Sep 2019

after all the white supremacy crap this country is going through if he was elected
I will vote for whoever gets nominated regardless to beat trump
I hope there is party unity in 2020 and we lead as an example for the whole country

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
8. Bernie is white. The majority of Jewish Americans are of European descent.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 10:54 PM
Sep 2019
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jalan48

(13,859 posts)
11. LOL-where did you get your information?
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:08 PM
Sep 2019

His father, Elias Ben Yehuda Sanders (1904–1962),[10] was born in Słopnice, Galicia, in Austria-Hungary (now part of Poland),[11][12] to a Jewish family; in 1921 Elias immigrated to the United States, where he became a paint salesman.[11][13][14] His mother, Dorothy Sanders (née Glassberg, 1912–1960), was born in New York City[15][16] to Jewish immigrant parents from Poland and Russia.[17][18]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
16. I said the majority of Jews in American are of white European descent. You just corroborated
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:28 PM
Sep 2019

what I said of Bernie. I don’t think this should be seen as a criticism about him or about Jews.

I am an amateur genealogist who has done a great deal of research.

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jalan48

(13,859 posts)
18. So Jews are white?
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:38 PM
Sep 2019
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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
19. No, not all Jews are white. The majority of American Jews of European descent are white. The
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:44 PM
Sep 2019

Ethiopian Jews who have settled in Israel are not white. Some historians would argue that this is why their treatment socially and economically has been unequal.

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jalan48

(13,859 posts)
21. Interesting. So are there white Muslims?
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:47 PM
Sep 2019
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Zambero

(8,964 posts)
25. Bosnia and Herzegovina
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:58 PM
Sep 2019

According to its 2013 census, just over half of this eastern European country's population declare themselves to be Muslim. A number of Bosnian refugees immigrated to the U.S. in the 90's as a result of the war with neighboring Serbia.

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jalan48

(13,859 posts)
26. And they are considered white because they lived in these countries?
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 12:01 AM
Sep 2019
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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
34. Also Turkey, Albania, Azerbaijan and Kosovo nt
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:34 AM
Sep 2019
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elleng

(130,865 posts)
32. Largely 2 groups, fyi.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:28 AM
Sep 2019

Sephardi Jews, also known as Sephardic Jews or Sephardim, originally from Sepharad, Spain, or the Iberian peninsula, are a Jewish ethnic division. Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi_Jews

Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or, by using the Hebrew plural suffix -im, Ashkenazim, are a Jewish diaspora population who coalesced in the Holy Roman Empire around the end of the first millennium. Wikipediahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi_Jews

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
13. "The majority of Jewish Americans are of European descent"
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:10 PM
Sep 2019

who fled White Supremacy.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
17. They fled anti-Semitism. Terrible, but not the same thing. They were not persecuted because they
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:37 PM
Sep 2019

were non-whites, but because they were Jews. In fact, those Jews who immigrated from Europe to
slave-holding states pre-holocaust did own slaves, a paradox noted in research.

I am only making a distinction that for some groups is a consequential one. In its nature, of course, whether racial, ethic, or religious, mass persecution stems from similar causes and has similar effects.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
22. Perhaps I should have said fleeing aryan supremacy
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:51 PM
Sep 2019

a master race wanting to be free of 'vermin'

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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
14. Let these guys +those attacking synagogues know that.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:11 PM
Sep 2019

Now tell me about the speaker
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JudyM

(29,233 posts)
39. It would. That's a considerate thing to say.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 06:08 PM
Sep 2019

This Jewess appreciates it.

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myohmy2

(3,162 posts)
12. Thank you...
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:09 PM
Sep 2019

...Uncle Joe...

...there are good people everywhere...

...I'm so proud to be an American...

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Uncle Joe

(58,349 posts)
15. Thank you myohmy.
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:14 PM
Sep 2019

Peace to you.

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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
24. I thought we weren't supposed to be doing "Identity Politics." A
Sat Sep 7, 2019, 11:57 PM
Sep 2019

Or are some “identities” ok to do while others we need to stay away from?

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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
35. Of course they are !!
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:36 AM
Sep 2019

Those are the BS rules.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
44. Thank you. And good work...
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 09:17 PM
Sep 2019

.... the truth you speak has gotten under the skin of someone.

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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
33. I support BS and would vote for him enthusiastically
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 11:32 AM
Sep 2019

to be reelected a Senator from Vermont.

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Gothmog

(145,130 posts)
37. I am Jewish and I am active is a couple of Jewish democratic groups
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 01:46 PM
Sep 2019

sanders is not an observant Jew and I really doubt that sanders will get any significant percentage of the Jewish vote.

BTW, Klobuchar is Jewish and so is Senator Harris' husband

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elleng

(130,865 posts)
38. Hadn't heard that Amy K is Jewish.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 02:25 PM
Sep 2019

'Her father is of Slovene descent; his grandparents were immigrants from Slovenia's White Carniola region, and his father was a miner on the Iron Range;[7][8] Klobuchar's maternal grandparents were from Switzerland.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_Klobuchar

I too am Jewish, not observant, but notwithstanding that, if he were Dem candidate, he sure as heck would get my vote.

You talking about primary voters? How many Jewish Dem voters in Vermont?

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lunasun

(21,646 posts)
41. Klobuchar, who is of Slovenian descent, likes to joke about how often she's asked if she's Jewish.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 07:16 PM
Sep 2019

Klobuchar, who is of Slovenian descent, likes to joke about how often she’s asked if she’s Jewish. She is a member of the United Church of Christ

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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
43. Would be proud to elect a Jewish American President. Not Bernie.
Sun Sep 8, 2019, 08:41 PM
Sep 2019

Jared Polis will make an EXCELLENT option that I could proudly vote for, canvass for, donate to for President. Would also be a first for GLBT as well.

Nancy Wyman would also make an excellent choice that I could totally get behind, and she’d also break the glass ceiling for women.

Hell having any candidate that breaks the long standing Christian mold would be nice imo.

but no. Not BS. Any of our candidates but him please.

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