Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumSanders surrogate Josh Fox goes on the attack.
Link to tweet
"See a pattern"? Yes. Anyone who saw David Sirota, Nina Turner et al. appointed to the 2020 campaign leadership can see a pattern. Anyone who saw Susan Sarandon tapped to introduce Bernie at campaign events can see a pattern. Berners tweeting #NeverWarren see the pattern: Bernie or Bust 2.0
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,926 posts)Meeting with Hillary! Those guys crack me up!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,136 posts)THE CAT IS OUT OF THE BAG!
With one speech, Hillary put everyone in jail. Another speech made Wall Street control America. With one vote she started the Iraq War. With one meeting she hopelessly corrupted Warren. Accepting donations from Americans with jobs hopelessly corrupts Democratic candidates. Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt," but Republicans are fine, you just have to talk to them.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)blame The Clenis
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mcar
(42,210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)No Turning Back
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Warren is Putin's girl. Warren met with Hillary met with Putin.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,926 posts)jprs should recognize that
No?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
They are too busy pushing Tulsi for VP. Wood from the trees.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)of who and what the Sanders camp is about.
Warren is accused of WRONGDOING by meeting with the DEMOCRAT a majority of Americans voted to elect our first woman president. One of the most admired women on the planet.
More than just despicable, extreme and rejecting of all most of us hoped so eagerly for.
And of course that first smear is the usual synergitic copying of RW swiftboarding. We should expect one of them to eventually write a book on how to campaign on less than $100 a day by letting Republicans do your political advertising for you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(112,920 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,136 posts)"Kind of stunned how fake and bad Hillary Clinton's video is. This won't win. Run Senator Warren please."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)A tweet replying to that says.. "Josh Fox is not to be taken seriously".. No shite, Sherlock!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
uponit7771
(90,225 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)Biden's not going to prevail in a rigorous primary. It will come down to these two. We are not going to let MSNBC and Neera Tanden pretend the Warren and Sanders are identical on policy and their willingness to fight for those ideas.
Sender's candidacy is vitally important and worth fighting for. He's a once in a lifetime politician and we're not content to go down without a fight.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,136 posts)Bernie is establishment, been a politician for many decades. Get used to it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)the fact that your candidate has been unable to change the establishment in those decades is proof of his being ineffective rather than being non-establishment
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,300 posts)of why it's likely to come down to Biden and Warner.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cool story bro.
BS reminds a little bit of trump. They both hire really shitty surrogates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)if Biden does fall, where do you think the "establishment" is going to go? Bernie? Nope. They will likely go to Warren, so with a combination of most of the establishment and a good chunk of progressives, tell me how Bernie overcomes that.
See you spend your whole life labeling an entire party as corporatist sellouts and you risk that backfiring when you try to run for that party's nomination.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,570 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emulatorloo
(43,982 posts)Knowing what I know about Bernie, he wants to win the nomination fair and square.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Cha
(295,926 posts)advocators to run his team.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Cha
(295,926 posts)And, you will have to do what you're telling others to do.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)EW was specifically not taking it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(112,920 posts)But for this presidential primary she has refused it to make it people driven. If she becomes the nominee the campaign will accept corporate donations. Her voting record and platform certainly isnt that of a corporate shill. Thats for sure.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,300 posts)I thought Bernie was supposed to have campaigned so hard for Hillary after she was nominated. They praise him for that all the time.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)...but unfortunately those two instantly block anyone who posts a single word in opposition, so many of us have lost track of their recent negative attacks on anyone and everyone who opposes Sanders, including most of our remaining Democratic candidates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)and gets into a hypnotic state of devotion to a candidate no matter what
This happens.
Pied Piper 2.0
Sen. Warren is not my first choice but I have no doubt that if nominated, she will make a terrific POTUS that we can be proud of.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I think this can and does happen with 'devotees' to any candidate.
I've seen it here with different 'devotees' over the years...
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
pangaia
(24,324 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,570 posts)..and any of our candidates will be a better prez than the orange blob of ocean phlegm in the WH now!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...in the same sense that they claim other candidates accept "corporate" and "fossil fuel" money.
It's all in his FEC filings.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)$27 and a free book
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
samnsara
(17,570 posts)...nothing can ever be as blatantly corrupt as trump...and I dont even know what $$ he took or from whom. When you're corrupt you're corrupt irregardless of the $$ influencing factors. Its the persons overall character I care about. Matt Dillon often had to walk on the dark side for justice....and yet he never let Kitty or Dodge City down.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...it comes from legitimate sources, does not exceed the FEC maximum, and is fully documented I don't care who contributes it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)1. Malign Democratic candidate/s with smears and false memes like establishment, corporatist etc.
2. Kneecap them when it is obvious that one cannot win.
3. Make any loss a fault of others, a conspiracy or rigging.
4. Get supporters incensed enough that they stay home or vote for anyone but the Democrat
5. Trump wins.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)...with Sanders or his 2020 campaign. I mean, obviously, their sympathies are going to be aligned with his candidacy, but I think it's a stretch to call OR or any of its board members Sanders surrogates. Unless they say they speak on behalf of (or have been hired by) Sanders or his campaign, I think it's just false to call them surrogates.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)the tweet would have been cleared with HQ.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)to believe that Sanders (or senior campaign officials) were aware of and approved the tweet before it was sent.
I think legitimate criticisms of our candidates is fair game, but exaggerating/misrepresenting to make one of our candidates look bad is contrary to the goals of DU.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)who was speaking officially, unofficially, off the record, or just briefing, and having made up my own mind about the character of David Sirota, this one one campaign I'm not prepared to cut any slack at this time.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/128730834
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
George II
(67,782 posts)Senator Nina Turner - Former Ohio State Senator
Jim Hightower - Political Leader, National Radio Commentator and Writer
Jim Zogby - Arab American Human Rights Leader
Huck Gutman - Former Chief of Staff for Sen. Bernie Sanders
Shailene Woodley - Actress and Environmental Leader
Justin Bamberg - South Carolina State Representative
Lucero E. Mesa- Our Revolution South Carolina
Richard Rodriguez- Our Revolution Illinois Chicago
Larry Cohen, Chair - Labor
Deborah Parker, Vice-Chair - Native American Leader
Jane Kleeb, Treasurer - Environmental and Rural Leader
Nina Turner - National Co-chair of Bernie2020, resigned as Our Revolution President (but didn't resign from the Board of Our Revolution)
More about Josh Fox:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Fox
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)Nina Turner is a current surrogate, but in her capacity in the 2020 campaign, not in her capacity as being on the board of OR. As you presumably know, just being on the board does not necessarily imply day-to-day involvement, and I similarly would not assume she was aware of that tweet before it went out.
Assigning that tweet to a (implied current) "Sanders surrogate" is just a smear.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)and answered in my post #57.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)I think it is self-evident that unless the Sanders campaign says that someone speaks for the campaign or is officially in such a position, one should not assume they speak for the campaign.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)about whether their people were speaking for the campaign or not?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)re: "And the whole backwards and forwards in 2016 about whether their people were speaking for the campaign or not?"
I don't understand the question.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)Statements, tweets by Sanders campaign staff which would be later disowned?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)Unless they run everything by the candidate before they say it (unlikely, especially in things like live TV interviews), there is a chance that even an official representative will say something the candidate disagrees with. People are imperfect.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)and we have to take his word for it. Pass.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
crazytown
(7,277 posts)assigned to covering the Sanders Campaign. She retweeted Fox's attack, identifying him as a Sanders surrogate.
Are you saying that you will accept nothing less that a statement by the campaign on official letterhead?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)That's why, for example, you don't bet the bank on paraphrases, but look for the exact quotes. That's also why the NY Times has corrections on a regular basis. And Politico isn't even the NY Times.
What I'd accept is, being on the campaign payroll, having some official position within the campaign, or some acknowledgment from the campaign or the candidate that this person speaks for them. Or, as it turns out, as has been provided, placing the person's self-representation as a surrogate on the campaign's own web sites/feeds. That's more convincing than a journalist's characterization.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)I CAN see a correction coming if the heat is on. That was Sanders Campaign modus operandi in 2016 - Put something out there, and if it get too hot, disown it. These are not honest people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)Has sanders repudiated the statements from Fox?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Gothmog
(144,005 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)The first, not so much, since it was from early 2017 and would have been referencing his 2016 activities. But the new one does carry weight, somewhat for what he said and when he said it, but moreover, the fact that it was reposted on the official Sanders account, which is an implicit campaign endorsement of what he put forth in that speech.
So yup, I'll give it to you! I'm always open to changing my mind, I just need actual facts.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Me.
(35,454 posts)Oh right, only one candidate did that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Renew Deal
(81,802 posts)Of desperate Sanders operatives.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
highplainsdem
(48,731 posts)surrogates do it for him.
As for those surrogates going after Warren -- I've been expecting this for some time. Despite their much-touted non-aggression pact, they both want to be president, and I haven't expected either of them to bow out gracefully and try to turn over their base of support to the other.
Warren has a LOT of support in the media. Nate Silver tweeted a while back about her having more support from the media, apparently, than any other Democratic candidate. He mentioned Sanders as another media favorite, too, but in a second tier with Buttigieg and Harris, as I recall. (And Biden isn't getting much support from the media, but has been maintaining his lead without it, which must be frustrating for those in the media who've been specializing in attacking him.)
Without as much favorable media attention as Warren has, Sanders probably feels he needs his surrogates to go after her. (And to go after Biden, too, of course.)
I don't like it. But I'm not at all surprised by it.
Maybe Warren could say something to Sanders about his surrogates at Thursday's debate...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)just continues the process of debasing the Democratic system in this country, and is why so many people are disgusted with politics."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2019/03/sanders-promised-civility-hired-twitter-attack-dog/585259/
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,136 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ecstatic
(32,567 posts)I really hope that they fade into obscurity by 2021.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,926 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden