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Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:05 PM Sep 2019

Matthews loves himself some Klobuchar

He is enamored by her middle of the country, moderate, git 'er done attitude and likes to poo poo us coastal elites. Frankly, I am getting extremely tired of being told that that one rural voter's voice in the middle part is more important than the 10 - 100 'urban' or 'coastal elites' voices as his/her counterparts.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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Matthews loves himself some Klobuchar (Original Post) Blaukraut Sep 2019 OP
You might be tired of getting told that, but it also happens to be how we elect the President. Agschmid Sep 2019 #1
The point is that we actually want pretty much the same things Blaukraut Sep 2019 #3
Perfectly said. blm Sep 2019 #12
"coastal elite votes" crazytown Sep 2019 #5
elite ? JI7 Sep 2019 #8
Not my words; Matthews Agschmid Sep 2019 #22
I'm from the Midwest and I agree MustLoveBeagles Sep 2019 #2
Kobucher had a good night. Big Blue Marble Sep 2019 #4
Yes, I think that was her best PatSeg Sep 2019 #25
She's not connecting BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #6
she isn't bland at all JI7 Sep 2019 #9
What is she passionate about again? BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #10
making people's lives better JI7 Sep 2019 #23
I would not mind a serving of honest, bland and realistic thank you very much. nt UniteFightBack Sep 2019 #20
Trust Tweety to like a centrist supporter of the status quo who will never, never rock the boat dflprincess Sep 2019 #7
Imagine that! Blaukraut Sep 2019 #19
I'm not from the Midwest so I guess I don't love America from my heart maineac Sep 2019 #11
This is what annoys me. I'm an immigrant. (German) Blaukraut Sep 2019 #18
I don't have confidence that Klouchar could stand up to Trump on a debate stage TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #13
She actually has a reputation for being quite the opposite. nt UniteFightBack Sep 2019 #21
rural voter here evertonfc Sep 2019 #14
Thank you! Our base are minority women, academia, and young people n/t Blaukraut Sep 2019 #15
As an east coaster I agree! I'm sick of being told ecstatic Sep 2019 #16
I like her and could happily vote for her but Raine Sep 2019 #17
I like Amy as a good person, but despite a strong Backseat Driver Sep 2019 #24
So the millions of working people on the coasts who vote for Democrats are elite? They are our base. jalan48 Sep 2019 #26
Exactly! But we don't count, apparently. Or more like are taken for granted in elections n/t Blaukraut Sep 2019 #27
Yes, the entire West Coast is blue. These are the states leading the charge against the Republicans. jalan48 Sep 2019 #28
I also like Klobuchar Gothmog Sep 2019 #29
 

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
1. You might be tired of getting told that, but it also happens to be how we elect the President.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:07 PM
Sep 2019

That rural vote may/does count for more than some of those coastal elite votes.

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Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
3. The point is that we actually want pretty much the same things
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:10 PM
Sep 2019

and that divisive language by people like Klobuchar, pitting coastal and urban voters against rural midwestern ones, is not helping. Find commonalities instead of pitting us against each other.

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blm

(113,043 posts)
12. Perfectly said.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:22 PM
Sep 2019

The unnecessary divisiveness is a constant on tv.

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
5. "coastal elite votes"
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:14 PM
Sep 2019
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Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
22. Not my words; Matthews
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:46 PM
Sep 2019

Agree bad choice.

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MustLoveBeagles

(11,591 posts)
2. I'm from the Midwest and I agree
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:07 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2019, 08:26 PM - Edit history (1)

Everyone is important. That said, Klobuchar is one of my favorites.

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Big Blue Marble

(5,066 posts)
4. Kobucher had a good night.
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:12 PM
Sep 2019

She calmly stated her moderate positions very clearly.

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PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
25. Yes, I think that was her best
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:33 AM
Sep 2019

debate so far.

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BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
6. She's not connecting
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:18 PM
Sep 2019

Maybe because she’s rather bland.

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JI7

(89,247 posts)
9. she isn't bland at all
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:20 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
10. What is she passionate about again?
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:21 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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JI7

(89,247 posts)
23. making people's lives better
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:48 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
20. I would not mind a serving of honest, bland and realistic thank you very much. nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:36 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
7. Trust Tweety to like a centrist supporter of the status quo who will never, never rock the boat
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:19 PM
Sep 2019

He might be shocked to learn that the "middle of the country" voters in her home state appear to favor someone else.

The "Bean Ballot" poll the DFL ran in it's booth at the Minnesota State Fair was won by Warren. The last scientific poll I saw (and it's been more than a month) of Minnesota voters had her coming in 4th behind Bernie, Warren, & Biden (not necessarily in that order)

The picture below was taken 4 days before the fair ended. You did have to be willing to sign up as a Democrat to get a soybean to drop in the tube of your choice. A friend working the booth on Labor Day (the last day of the fair) told me they had had to bring in a second tube for Warren. Amy came in second, but she was way behind.

If Amy is the nominee, I will vote for her (I've voted for her 3 times in the past) but my heart won't be in it & I may cry all the way to the polls. After 4 years of Trump we need someone who can excite the voters and who is willing to make real, progressive change and push back against the bullies. (And I wish someone would ask Amy if she's still pals with Lindsey Graham.)




(And I just switched my preference from "Undecided" to Warren about 2 minutes ago.)

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maineac

(17 posts)
11. I'm not from the Midwest so I guess I don't love America from my heart
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:21 PM
Sep 2019

So, I guess, being born on a dairy farm in Maryland with ancestors who landed in New England in 1638 means I'm just not American enough to vote for Senator Klobuchar.

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Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
18. This is what annoys me. I'm an immigrant. (German)
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:32 PM
Sep 2019

Hubby has Mayflower ancestry. But I guess we're not as American as the folks in the Midwest. The only true Americans are those who were here long before any of us set foot here. So, I would prefer that our candidates seek our common interests and not pit us against one another geographically. Especially considering that even Midwestern states have urban areas.

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TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
13. I don't have confidence that Klouchar could stand up to Trump on a debate stage
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:24 PM
Sep 2019

This isn't the time for "Minnesota Nice", because the opposition has no intentions of playing nice.

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UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
21. She actually has a reputation for being quite the opposite. nt
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:37 PM
Sep 2019
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evertonfc

(1,713 posts)
14. rural voter here
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:28 PM
Sep 2019

I can assure you that not one person on that stage will get significant rural votes. These folks are dug in. Economics are irrelevant here. They are regressing. My county was blue until W Bush and had trended red since. We turn out in urban areas and grab swing votes in the suburbs. The rural vote is not moving.

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Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
15. Thank you! Our base are minority women, academia, and young people n/t
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:29 PM
Sep 2019
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ecstatic

(32,685 posts)
16. As an east coaster I agree! I'm sick of being told
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:30 PM
Sep 2019

my opinion doesn't matter. Where are the voter panels of people like me? Why do we have to hear from ignorant trumpers all the time!!??

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Raine

(30,540 posts)
17. I like her and could happily vote for her but
Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:31 PM
Sep 2019

she just doesn't stand out to me.

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Backseat Driver

(4,390 posts)
24. I like Amy as a good person, but despite a strong
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:29 AM
Sep 2019

record of representative service, I'm not sure she's presidential material. I particularly didn't care much that she used phrases that smack perhaps that could endear her to a lot of fundamentalist christians of the midwest/northern plains. Perhaps I haven't caught up, but I was under an impression that "dairy" geographic areas were/are hot beds of Lutherans - Missouri Synod variety are fundie wack jobs; more moderate yet worrisome are those whose affiliation says it all, Evangelical Lutheran Church of America. That said, she seems someone who works hard and fair, one whom I'd be glad to include in community with family and friends -- just not in the Oval Office.

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jalan48

(13,859 posts)
26. So the millions of working people on the coasts who vote for Democrats are elite? They are our base.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:37 AM
Sep 2019

Mathews is just reinforcing a Republican talking point.

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Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
27. Exactly! But we don't count, apparently. Or more like are taken for granted in elections n/t
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:42 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

jalan48

(13,859 posts)
28. Yes, the entire West Coast is blue. These are the states leading the charge against the Republicans.
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 12:48 AM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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Gothmog

(145,129 posts)
29. I also like Klobuchar
Fri Sep 13, 2019, 01:09 AM
Sep 2019

She is former biglaw partner and is a strong candidate

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