Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumI'm still not hearing what I need to about employers contribution to health care plans.
I think that's what people are thinking of when they say they are satisfied with the plan they have. As with my previous job, my employer covered 90 percent of my premiums. Of course I would prefer that over any plan that had me paying more for similar coverage. We need more details on how a national health care plan would not cost us more in taxes, and that would have to mean businesses pay the same share.
We get health coverage at work supposedly in lieu of higher wages. I'm pretty sure I heard Biden touch on that last night saying he wasn't going to just trust businesses to just fork over that money to employees if they get off the hook with a new plan. Fine. Lets not trust them. Tell us how you ensure that money goes to workers or into the health care system. It probably has to happen to make a public option popular too.
I'd say the public option needs to be good enough that workers will see it's a better deal than what they have from their employer. Maybe employers have to allow their workers to opt to have that money paid into the public option if they choose to switch. If private insurers can't compete and go under, fine with me. They may have to reduce rates, pay out more in claims, and settle for lower profits. That should make employers happy either way.
What I've been hearing makes it sound like we eliminate private plans and workers make up for all of that in higher taxes with MFA. That's never gonna fly. I think Biden even misspoke last night and said MFA would cost 32 trillion per year. Thanks Joe. That's not helpful.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)absurd.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brewens
(13,400 posts)huge expense. They must know there is no way they will get to just pocket all that. Anyone discussing MFA or the public option needs to tell us more about that.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)The essence of it is that, if something (in this case the MFA plan) prevents the employer from providing something he was contractually obligated to provide, he must then provide something else of equal value. So it could be more pay, or presumably alternate benefits (say, increased vacation). The employer cannot use MFA to avoid giving the employees the value of what they negotiated for, they cannot put that money in their pocket.
OTOH, if it's a non-union shop and there is no negotiated legal contract, I don't think anything covers that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)Sanders has never said it would not cost us more in taxes. What he said was that any increase in taxes would be offset by decrease in other costs (i.e. premiums, deductibles, copays, things not covered). But yes, more details are needed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)still only covers 80%. ...hard to implement too. Build on the ACA. I think biden will be the nominee because of MFA which is a good thing...people don't want it much.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)MFA is not literally the same as the existing Medicare plan simply expanded to cover younger people. That's the double-edged sword to the name "Medicare For All" -- the name is good because people are comfortable with the concept of Medicare (more so than if it were called, say, "Single Payer For All" ), but it's also bad because some people assume it's exactly the same as what Medicare is today, which it is not. It is broadly similar in concept, but reading the plan, there are also significant differences. For example, if something is covered, it is covered 100%.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,352 posts)re-elect Trump...I like what I have and do not want MFA. If Something is covered...if being the operative word...not liking the plan at all...my employer subsudizes our insurance plan...now I pay more taxes for most likely less coverage...and the roll out will be awful...no thanks...EW gets my vote in a general but not in a primary. Fix the ACA and use it via a public option to cover those not covered ...do not give the GOP an opening like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,955 posts)...it will replace what they have with the new plan, which covers more than Medicare does today. So, just one plan, not "two plans ...one for younger and one for seniors" -- rather, an improved medicare that covers everyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,273 posts)Combine the risk pools and unburden Medicare from only covering statistically sick and old people. Flood the system with young healthy premium payers.
We already have two plans! One for old sick people that the government covers because private insurance wont. And one for young healthy people that for profit insurance extracts massive profits from while you are young - and then lays you off on the government when you get sick.
Its a stupid and unsustainable system.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
brewens
(13,400 posts)cost should not be more anyway they work it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Ron Green
(9,821 posts)and the entry-level workers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(144,005 posts)I agree with Speaker Pelosi https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/17/nancy-pelosi-no-need-to-reinvent-health-care-improve-obamacare.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar
God bless 2020 Democratic presidential candidates putting forth Medicare for All proposals, Pelosi said in an interview with Mad Money host Jim Cramer. But know what that entails.
Pelosis thoughts on how to improve the nations health-care laws appear to align with those of former Vice President Joe Biden, who in his 2020 presidential bid is calling for building on provisions of Obamacare, formally known as the Affordable Care Act.
I believe the path to health care for all is a path following the lead of the Affordable Care Act, Pelosi told Cramer. Lets use our energy to have health care for all Americans, and that involves over 150 million families that have it through the private sector.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)They got there due to the same conflicts we are having.
It is definitely not MFA.
Read about. Its the only system we have a prayer of getting using the ACA to get us there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden