Here is Joe Biden saying you can buy in to his plan if you lose your job

[Hassin Bin Sober]

I rolled the video back during the debate to verify what Castro was talking about.


Now maybe Biden meant or said something different earlier on - I didn’t go back that far at the time.

Link to tweet

[stonecutter357]

1. good let's go Joe !

[Demsrule86]

5. The meaning is clear despite the nonsense here...you can gain coverage if you lose your job...which

is a good thing...as corbra is super expensive...also losing a job is a life changing event you can buy into the ACA or Medicaid if your state expanded it...my daughter broker both ankles and could not work for almost a year...she had medicaid coverage...through the ACA website...I live in Ohio...for those who don't have decent states...you can buy into it via a public option...I completely get it...he is bypassing murderous states like Georgia who willingly kill their ctizsens by not expanding medicaid.

[LincolnRossiter]

14. Your "Let's Go Joe" posts always put an automatic smile on my face.

[Green Line]

22. Me too

[HerbChestnut]

2. Yup. He said it twice.

It's possible he *meant* something different, but who knows. Biden's debate responses are often word salads. That response about a record player and Venezuela was something else.

[Demsrule86]

7. At least he is not deceptive as some candidates were yesterday.

They basically didn't answer the questions which may be a win with the media but not with the American people.

[at140]

3. I saw the replay video of what Biden said

and Castro was right.

[beastie boy]

4. Just taking the tweet you linked to at its face value...

I fail to see how "YOU can automatically buy into it" and "you don't have to buy into it" are mutually exclusive. These are two options, and both are available, according to Biden.

So what's the big deal, and why make a big deal out of nothing?

[Demsrule86]

8. It is all they got.

[bluewater]

6. Also, Biden was wrong, repeatedly, when describing his own plan.

Only people at or below 138% of the poverty level opt in automatically in Biden's plan.

Castro was right that not everyone automatically get enrolled in Biden's plan if they lose their insurance, unlike the plan Castro was suggesting.

Biden was wrong, repeatedly, about describing his own plan.

[Demsrule86]

9. Everyone knows how the ACA works and a public option has been discussed repeatedly...Castro

hurt himself and helped Biden.

[bluewater]

11. Biden repeatedly described his own plan incorrectly.

Not everyone automatically gets enrolled in Biden's if they lose their insurance, only people near the poverty level.

Castro was right about that.

[Demsrule86]

18. I don't agree with that...I understand how it works as my daughter and my husband used it.

[qazplm135]

19. so there's two parts to this, well three parts

part one...did Biden say buy in? Yes, he did. So, Castro was accurate there.

part two, ok, he said it but what does that mean? Meh, not much. It's pretty clear Biden's plan isn't a MFA plan where everyone gets in for free. That's not a surprise or a gaffe, it's a feature (whether it is good or not is obviously a central argument of this primary). But the poor do get in without paying so basically Biden's plan is more or less the middle road. Nothing surprising, nothing horrible, but certainly not as progressive as many would like. So, not sure this inures to Castro's benefit there and not sure it makes Biden wrong. It means Biden was arguing an overarching point, and Castro was trying to narrow in on a small distinction. Still, nothing necessarily wrong with that either so let's go to part three.

part three, how did he say it? Pretty much like an asshole. The mocking tone and clear poke at age was destined to blow back on him and it did it in real time and it's done it after. I get it...if you are stuck at 2 percent you gotta make a move. Nothing wrong with going after the lead guy to do so. But Castro could have done it in a way that didn't blow back on him, and he really failed at that.

I think Biden and Bernie are the worst two of the front-runners and I'd prefer a woman particularly since two of them are more qualified than anyone else out there. BUT, having said that, this was the first time I agreed that the tone and tenor of a Biden attack stepped over the line. Prior to this, sounded a bit like whining, but this one even had me wincing in real time.

[KT2000]

10. "you mean you can't remember

what you said two minutes ago" That is what this is about - Castro pulling the age/dementia stunt. Some people thought it was OK and many people thought it was a low blow. It is on a par with a male candidate accusing a woman candidate of being hormonal with an answer.

[TrunKated]

12. um....

My sister pointed this out to me...



Now is the second quote accurate? Did Castro say that Biden said people HAVE to? If so, Castro is lying big time.

[Hoyt]

16. If that's accurate, Biden was right. Further, tweet in OP is misleading, and should be removed.

[qazplm135]

20. there's two parts to this

Biden said buy in...now as an attorney who's been inside a few courtrooms I know what was going on inside Castro's head.

He was listening for something he could flip or turn. He heard buy in, and seized on it.

His problem is the second part. Biden's "buy-in" doesn't extend to folks who can't afford it. So there's nuance there.

Castro either didn't hear the nuance or was so focused on the buy in part and leapt too quickly.

I don't think he is "lying" big time but I do think he was too focused on trying to get a good comeback and didn't pay attention to the whole answer.

[floppyboo]

24. that's not 2 minutes. You've got the time stamp yourself.

Castro is right - but he was oh so wrong. 'Did you forget' - 3 times! is such a shitty way of pointing out an inconsistency. Was no longer a question to elucidate an inconsistency, but turned into a taunt. Go to your room, Julian.

[George II]

13. He said people didn't HAVE to buy in, and he said people COULD buy in. Not a change of position.

[bluewater]

15. So Castro was right, Biden's plan has no automatic opt in for everyone.

Biden repeatedly said it did last night, and he remains wrong. Only people within 138% of the poverty level who have no other insurance are automatically covered in Biden's plan.

Castro said his own plan automatically enrolled everyone if they lost their insurance and Biden's did not. Castro was right.

[gulliver]

17. He also talked about subsidies for those who can't afford care.

A public option is by far the best way to get to universal health care. Create the option, and it will be like installing a drainpipe in commercial insurance. In the end, the public option will be the only option left, and that will happen not by fiat but by inexorable consumer choice.

I'd be fine with an approach that would take us straight from current America to Canada and the UK in terms of national health care.
Unfortunately, that direct approach won't work. We'll lose the election. We lost a whole bunch of Dems in Congress after 2010 just for creating Obamacare. I want to see 2020 be like 2018 only better.

Extending Obamacare is the way to go. It leads to universal health care. Medicare for all will delay universal health care by costing us the presidency in 2020. Then, even Obamacare won't be able to withstand the mandate the Republicans will claim.

[Doreen]

21. "You CAN buy into Medicare."

Not "You HAVE to buy into Medicare."

NONE of these candidates when one becomes president can fix our extremely complicated healthcare system overnight or in a few months and probably not even in a year. It is going to be a difficult job for sometime no matter which one gets in.

Biden agreed with Obama when he said the ACA was far from perfect but we had to start "somewhere." I have confidence that whichever candidate becomes president will keep working at it until it helps many more people and eventually for all people.

They have different ideas on how to start it but if people do not like it then they should go back and compare it with what trump wants to do with it.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

23. If you NEED it you HAVE to buy in.