New Poll Shows Biden Is The Only 2020 Democrat Who Beats Trump In The Rust Belt

[Iamaartist]

While Donald Trump is deeply unpopular and polling shows that the top Democratic candidates hold consistent national leads over him, a new set of rust belt surveys shows that only former Vice President Joe Biden is leading in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.

According to the Firehouse/0ptimus poll, Biden beats Trump in all three of those key states, while Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are narrowly behind in Michigan.

As the country learned in 2016, winning that trio of states is crucial if the Democrats want to prevent a second Trump term. Without carrying each of them, there’s a good chance Trump will be in the White House for another four years.

As Firehouse/0ptimus notes, “Overall, Trump continues to struggle in these three states. He trails Biden in all three states, and only leads Warren and Sanders in Michigan. His approval rating is also underwater by 4 points in Michigan, 9 points in Pennsylvania, and 12 points in Wisconsin.

It should be noted that while Biden is the only candidate in this particular poll to win each of the three key states, other pollsters have shown both Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders also beating Trump in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

But no matter the polling firm, Biden continues to perform better overall than his Democratic opponents in head-to-head matchups against Trump, whether on a national or state level



Go Joe.......







https://www.politicususa.com/2019/09/12/poll-shows-biden-only-2020-democrat-beating trump-rust-belt.html

[Botany]

1. Well, I guess we should stop the primaries right now and give the job to Joe.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

41. Why even have primaries?! Just nominate according to polling!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

[Meadowoak]

2. Baloney. Any of our candidates would beat Trump in the rust belt.

The only reason he "won" in 2016 was because too many stayed home.

[Iamaartist]

3. I live in Michigan Joe will win here...just .my option.....

[Meadowoak]

5. I used to live in Michigan, and I believe Joe, or any of the 10 from last

Nights debates would win in Michigan.

[Iamaartist]

9. I lived in Michigan all my life.....

Well thats your option which your titled to.. hubby and I have a close friend who just retired from the capital of Lansing most friends of hers..are voting Joe Biden....

[onetexan]

32. second that

[Green Line]

11. No they won't

It's way to dangerous to take a chance. My only issue for this election is beating Trump.

[Fiendish Thingy]

17. then I guess you'll be supporting Sanders then

Since he's got a much bigger lead against Trump compared to Biden in two out the three Rust Belt states, and Trump must win ALL THREE to take the EC.

It's way too dangerous to take a chance that Trump could squeak out another narrow win over Joe- best to go with the candidate with the biggest, safest lead over Trump in the Rust Belt, amirite?

[Demsrule86]

42. They won't beat him...the same ones who stayed home will do so again.

[floppyboo]

4. RCP averages Michigan Biden + 10, Sanders +7, Klobachar +6

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/Michigan.html

He's gone. Just so long as there is excitement to go vote! Obama's coat tails didn't work for Hillary. Time to focus on the enthusiasm v. fear gap

[Hoyt]

7. There were forces, even within our Party, working against Clinton.

Hope that doesn’t carry over in 2020.

[calimary]

38. And I, for one, will NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER EVER forget that. OR forgive it.

That BETTER NOT carry over in 2020.

[Amimnoch]

40. Heh, you really want to channel 2016?

Given the choice of sig?

Interesting you think it was President Obama’s “coat tails”. Many others are more inclined to attribute a large part of it to almost 2 years of mud slinging, accusations of “oligarch”, DNC “Ratfuckery”, and soooo much more.

Especially since it’s also against TOS, I would very respectfully recommend not channeling that year. Frankly, of all the candidates running right now, it’s a particularly bad shade when worn by the one you have chosen.

[floppyboo]

43. Gotta try to learn from mistakes. And move on. nt

[crazytown]

6. "It should be noted ...

It should be noted that while Biden is the only candidate in this particular poll to win each of the three key states, other pollsters have shown both Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders also beating Trump in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

[stonecutter357]

8. K&R

[Iamaartist]

10. K&R

[Bradshaw3]

12. Not so fast

The polling company is questionable:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287277496

Polls, polls, polls, what would do without them?

[DownriverDem]

14. Sadly

Americans are slow to support women leaders. We can't take that chance.

[crazytown]

18. and

It should be noted that while Biden is the only candidate in this particular poll to win each of the three key states, other pollsters have shown both Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders also beating Trump in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin.

The OP left that bit out for some reason. Month are month ewarren's poll numbers are growing stronger.

Here's the thing - if the polls consistent show Warren and Sanders with strong leads in MI, PA & WI ... what's left if the argument is only electability.

There are other arguments, like the ability to get reform through Congress, but Biden supporters prefer todays polls. It's folly, like HRC found out in 2008 after SC.

[DownriverDem]

22. I prefer

winning. It's not who you like or I like. It's who can win the Electoral College which means state by state. Biden is our best chance to beat trump.

[crazytown]

23. Like I said

even if polls are plan A, history tells us there better be a plan B.

[Thekaspervote]

25. This!!

[DownriverDem]

13. We have one chance

to get this right. Biden running with a strong, progressive, Dem woman would be a winning ticket.

[Fiendish Thingy]

15. Misleading (lying) OP headline- Warren and Sanders beat Trump in 2 out 3 Rust Belt states

And they are within the MOE for Michigan (4.5%)

Sanders lead over Trump is greater than Biden's, so who is really the "safe" candidate?

Trump MUST win all 3 three Rust Belt states to take the EC, so this is good news for Dems- no need to settle for "safe" Status Quo normalcy, we can go with bold leadership and big ideas!

[LincolnRossiter]

19. Not quite accurate. He won with 304 EVs. That's a 34 vote cushion.

Trump MUST win all 3 three Rust Belt states to take the EC

As long as he didn't lose Pennsylvania and Michigan, he'd still win.

[pnwmom]

29. Any votes he lost from one one those states would go to the Dem.

So the "cushion" is about half as big as it looks.

[angrychair]

16. All candidates are solid

To be fair a lot of Biden's support is people desperately seeking stability through the familiar. President Obama was unique in the political memory of most adults. Any possiblity that they could have something like that again is a strong influencer.
We are still over a year out. That name recognition counts for a lot.
I would not count Warren, Sanders or Harris out just yet.

None of this polling matters if people don't come out and actually vote.

GOTV means everything.

[andym]

20. Trump plays to his supporters in the Rust Belt

so our nominee winning there will guarantee a Democratic victory. Having a native son of the rust belt run there has its advantages. If he does get the nomination I hope he picks someone like Elizabeth Warren as VP to help move US public opinion leftwards.

[Johnyawl]

21. I think Joe is also the most likely...

...to have coattails in the swing states which should help in the Senate races. I think Biden with Kamala on the ticket is our best chance to win the whole thing.

[James48]

24. I'm in Michigan

And I’m supporting Bernie.

Lots of folks who voted Trump last time ARE Bernie fans- whilst not a lot of them are Joe fans.

Bernie is passionate, and Joe is just...Joe.

Either Bernie or Joe will win in 2020 (so will Liz), but it’s not true that Joe has more pulling power at this stage of the game.

[Thekaspervote]

26. You are certainly entitled to your opinion

[Thekaspervote]

27. Thx for posting! We need the strongest candidate with the best numbers...that's Joe Biden

There have been a lot of comments here about how national polls mean nothing. So here ya go, here’s a state rust belt poll.

[saljr1]

28. In the end I believe

Warren will be nominee and kick Trumps ass in general election. Nothing again Biden but we been down this road before with him running twice and failing. I'm done trying to live in the past. We need a progressive vision with energy and conviction.

[mtngirl47]

30. I talked to three millennials today (2 kids and a niece) and they don't want Joe.

I said to my son, "we need to beat Trump" and he said: "Then we're all doomed if Biden is the choice."

My niece told me that Biden reminds her of visiting her Grandfather who rambles about things that aren't important to her.

[Thekaspervote]

31. I really hope they vote! Unfortunately millennials have a terrible track record on voting

So, glad to hear they have an opinion, but it means nothing if they don’t vote

[emmaverybo]

33. This election year, more mature voters, including large numbers of seniors, will turn out. We do

need to build the party, but we need to not take our reliable and older voters for granted.

[Thekaspervote]

35. Indeed!!

[mtngirl47]

36. They'll vote....I'm a precinct chair and excellent at guilt trips! n/t

[ChubbyStar]

37. Good for you!

I'm "honorary" chairman of my 18 year old daughters loose group of DEM or Bust first time voters. There are 23 first time voters in the group and they are excited as hell. It is pretty evenly split between Warren and Bernie.

[IronLionZion]

34. Whoever inspires high turnout from our side would win

Hillary was trouncing Trump in all the polls in rust belt states and we saw the blue wall crumble instead of the glass ceiling.

[ehrnst]

39. She did get more votes than any candidate in history not named Obama.

Despite the statistical improbability of a party holding the WH for more than two consecutive terms (which is one reason that there wasn't a rush of Democratic men to run), Russian interference, misogyny on both the left and right, 25 years of smears by the GOP, and voter suppression of democrats in the 3 states where she lost by a sliver.

So there's that.

[Tarheel_Dem]

44. K&R