Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:22 PM

Why so much talk about Biden's age and nothing about Sanders?

He is older, after all. And yesterday at the debate, he presented such an old testament style of fire and brimstone that I thought how un presidential he looked. Facing Biden, stooping, pointing his finger..

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Why so much talk about Biden's age and nothing about Sanders? (Original post)	question everything	Sep 2019	OP
Biden is leading	JI7	Sep 2019	#1
BIDEN ROCKS	trueblue2007	Sep 2019	#97
:) Point is, Sanders and age are both weapons used by Russia	Hortensis	Sep 2019	#107
I like Sanders and would be happy with him	sharedvalues	Sep 2019	#2
He's gotta rest! Today: Carson City and Reno and the week end is still ahead! nt	floppyboo	Sep 2019	#7
Bernie is like the Energizer Bunny... the guy never stops, he's amazing!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#42
Fair point, maybe because Sanders doesn't gaff as much?	Quixote1818	Sep 2019	#3
hard to gaff when you have an arsenal of the same soundbytes	nini	Sep 2019	#52
that bugs me also. ALWAYS....	pangaia	Sep 2019	#54
and gets angry when asked for additional info on the things he himself talks about	JI7	Sep 2019	#66
Be sure to stay off his lawn!	MontanaMama	Sep 2019	#90
True!	True Blue American	Sep 2019	#82
I think Bernie GAFF'S as often as Joe. Bernie hem andf haws ALL THE TIME.....	trueblue2007	Sep 2019	#53
he only knows one tune	Fresh_Start	Sep 2019	#91
Bernie acts the same where ever he is. I cannot understand why he is where he is in popularity.	wasupaloopa	Sep 2019	#4
bernie knows millions were left out by the aca	questionseverything	Sep 2019	#8
THIS!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#43
Sanders has been in Congress since the 80s.	Blue_true	Sep 2019	#60
+10000000	betsuni	Sep 2019	#62
+1.	obnoxiousdrunk	Sep 2019	#65
i honestly think most our pols are to far removed from reality to understand how expensive and	questionseverything	Sep 2019	#73
That was because of Republican sabotage	dansolo	Sep 2019	#89
rep sabatage when the bill was originally passed?	questionseverything	Sep 2019	#98
You raise a ligitimate point.	Blue_true	Sep 2019	#104
+1000	RelativelyJones	Sep 2019	#101
medicare for all is great, but if passed, the republicans will make hay out of it and there would go	demosincebirth	Sep 2019	#102
This really bothers me. He purposefully is not a Democrat	question everything	Sep 2019	#12
Spot on!	Thekaspervote	Sep 2019	#26
Exactly. Any actual Democratic Party Candidate for 2020.	Amimnoch	Sep 2019	#96
I wonder what he has against becoming a Democrat? He ever say?	demosincebirth	Sep 2019	#103
Because he thinks there's "no substantive ideological difference" between the two parties,	betsuni	Sep 2019	#105
Everybody felt like that at that time. Russian communism was creeping to our doorstep. He probably	demosincebirth	Sep 2019	#106
Yup! How dare the Democratic Nomination went to a Democrat? How unfair.	Botany	Sep 2019	#78
+1	betsuni	Sep 2019	#79
Bernie needs to go away	Botany	Sep 2019	#87
If he does, Warren will win both Iowa and New Hampshire.	Garrett78	Sep 2019	#93
Sanders represents a generational shift and awakening	floppyboo	Sep 2019	#5
or to put it another way, Biden is running on restoring the past, Sanders on creating a new future.	floppyboo	Sep 2019	#11
A 78 year old man "represents a generational shift"?	George II	Sep 2019	#13
Yup. He's the face of the future for the next generation.	floppyboo	Sep 2019	#20
It's also the chunk that historically has the lowest voter turnout.	George II	Sep 2019	#29
That HAS been true but it was the chunk with the largest uptick in turnout in '18.	floppyboo	Sep 2019	#31
Donald Trump had a helluva lot more to do with midterm turnout than BS. Moderates won the day!	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2019	#75
+1	betsuni	Sep 2019	#77
most of the people Sanders endorsed lost the primary . Sharice Davids for example won	JI7	Sep 2019	#81
Quite the opposite indeed... Bernie has found the foundation of youth!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#44
"The foundation of youth"? WTH is that?	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2019	#76
Did they mean "Fountain of Youth"?	betsuni	Sep 2019	#80
I was hoping the poster would clear it up. I wouldn't want the poster to be accused of a "gaffe".	Tarheel_Dem	Sep 2019	#83
Heh.	betsuni	Sep 2019	#84
There isn't so much talk about Biden's age	melman	Sep 2019	#6
+1	JoeOtterbein	Sep 2019	#9
Got that right, Bernie has boundless energy... the contrast between Bernie & Joe was quite evident.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#45
I suppose being a perennial contrarian sharpened him	question everything	Sep 2019	#10
he isn't sharp at all . he repeats the same lines and gets angry if asked for details and	JI7	Sep 2019	#14
Nonsense	melman	Sep 2019	#17
not really, he lacks depth. only shouts slogans and conspiracy theories	JI7	Sep 2019	#19
So true... it's almost not fair!!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#46
Yup. I listened to him throw out numbers with no explanation-- the same...	TreasonousBastard	Sep 2019	#22
This!!	Thekaspervote	Sep 2019	#27
True. I can barely listen to his abrasive harangues. He is rigid in his ideology and lets nothing	emmaverybo	Sep 2019	#30
"If you will ask me how much that's [Medicare for All] gonna cost, I don't have that in my pocket."	betsuni	Sep 2019	#35
Cat's out of the bag?	Cha	Sep 2019	#72
Meow.	betsuni	Sep 2019	#74
Well, I bet when I'm 90, I'll still be able to yell about things I've been yelling about for decades	Hoyt	Sep 2019	#18
dunno - I think the talk is coming from Biden himself - constant reminiscence	floppyboo	Sep 2019	#21
But my point is people make it about ageism as a way to deflect and shut down discussion	melman	Sep 2019	#36
oh ya - for sure. 'Ageism' is being used as a foil	floppyboo	Sep 2019	#39
Yeah, but look what Joe is reminiscing about?! You'd think his advisors would advise against it!	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#47
Guess ya gotta take the bad with the sad if you've gotta go with Uncle Joe.	floppyboo	Sep 2019	#55
True, though every candidate does have their warts... some more than others I guess.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#70
And Elizabeth Warren is 70. It appears voters like some age on their candidates.	Hoyt	Sep 2019	#15
She looks a lot younger though	Polybius	Sep 2019	#108
Biden's cognitive function is clearly declining, Sanders and Warren are not nt	Fiendish Thingy	Sep 2019	#16
Yep!	Hassin Bin Sober	Sep 2019	#23
Warren, anyway.	TreasonousBastard	Sep 2019	#25
You are entitled to your opinion	Thekaspervote	Sep 2019	#28
It is my opinion as a mental health professional nt	Fiendish Thingy	Sep 2019	#32
Diagnosing via television?	TwilightZone	Sep 2019	#37
Nope, not when the symptoms are so clear	Fiendish Thingy	Sep 2019	#41
The debate really brings out the contrast... TV is not always kind.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#49
Telling poor people: make sure you have the record player on at night	4139	Sep 2019	#24
Can't believe Joe said that... seemed a bit condescending.	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#50
Sanders was my choice in 2016, not that it did much good in Georgia. No longer. He's too old.	Thirties Child	Sep 2019	#33
You don't want to know	BeyondGeography	Sep 2019	#34
I can't speak to others but I've argued they both shouldnt be running	tymorial	Sep 2019	#38
Why so ageist?! (You were right!)	InAbLuEsTaTe	Sep 2019	#51
That's just a fact of life. These guys would be older than Reagan was when Reagan left office.	Garrett78	Sep 2019	#61
Sanders has no shot at the nomination. Anyway, I think both are too old.	Garrett78	Sep 2019	#40
Joe Biden is the target of the "free for all".	democratisphere	Sep 2019	#48
I was with Joe today	Gothmog	Sep 2019	#56
Thanks, Gothmog! I saw some video of Biden today, too, and he looked and sounded great, very sharp.	highplainsdem	Sep 2019	#63
I have never seen Biden not	True Blue American	Sep 2019	#85
I'm guessing because Sanders has looked and acted old for the past 40 or 50 years.	ecstatic	Sep 2019	#57
Someone here said that Bernie looked 1,000 years old last night. nt	Blue_true	Sep 2019	#58
Close enough.	question everything	Sep 2019	#59
Bernie's always looked old	Raine	Sep 2019	#71
One Big Reason	colsohlibgal	Sep 2019	#64
Bernie talked about subway tokens in 2016, didn't know about metrocards.	emulatorloo	Sep 2019	#67
Sanders is well rehearsed. He makes much the same points time and time again over many years.	Doodley	Sep 2019	#68
Good question. Bernie is 'allowed' to be cranky+old for some reason. :p	NCLefty	Sep 2019	#69
It is a testament to my fervent desire to see the end of our current nightmare	Croney	Sep 2019	#86
Yep, I agree with the people who say Bernie doesn't make gaffs because...	LAS14	Sep 2019	#88
Tired of Sanders' grumpy old man routine.	nancy1942	Sep 2019	#92
The Gerital brigade in my book	whistler162	Sep 2019	#94
We typically elect young presidents. Rare to have a president over 62, much less 70.	Garrett78	Sep 2019	#95
BS is like one of those actors	BlueMississippi	Sep 2019	#99
true...	myohmy2	Sep 2019	#100
I remember Joe Biden jogging at a JUly 4th event in Iowa	Gothmog	Sep 2019	#109
I support neither	loyalsister	Sep 2019	#110

Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:23 PM

JI7 (87,732 posts)

1. Biden is leading

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to JI7 (Reply #1)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 04:41 PM

trueblue2007 (16,331 posts)

97. BIDEN ROCKS

DOES BERNIE DOES HAVE THE STAMINA THAT BIDEN DOES ??

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to trueblue2007 (Reply #97)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 08:34 PM

Hortensis (55,606 posts)

107. :) Point is, Sanders and age are both weapons used by Russia

AND the Repubs to defeat not just Biden but Democrats across the nation.

The Mueller investigation definitively established their use of Sanders to throw the election to the Republicans, and that's not in doubt.

So age is only weaponized against Biden. Biden is the candidate to be taken out.

F*k them all. We know what they're up to this time.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:23 PM

sharedvalues (6,916 posts)

2. I like Sanders and would be happy with him

But boy did he look old last night.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:29 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

7. He's gotta rest! Today: Carson City and Reno and the week end is still ahead! nt

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:24 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

42. Bernie is like the Energizer Bunny... the guy never stops, he's amazing!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:25 PM

Quixote1818 (27,649 posts)

3. Fair point, maybe because Sanders doesn't gaff as much?

Sanders is perhaps losing some cognitive abilities in other areas though.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:38 PM

nini (16,632 posts)

52. hard to gaff when you have an arsenal of the same soundbytes

for every question asked. Always answer with the same lines ..always.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to nini (Reply #52)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:44 PM

pangaia (24,324 posts)

54. that bugs me also. ALWAYS....

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to nini (Reply #52)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 12:23 AM

JI7 (87,732 posts)

66. and gets angry when asked for additional info on the things he himself talks about

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to JI7 (Reply #66)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 09:58 AM

MontanaMama (21,511 posts)

90. Be sure to stay off his lawn!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to nini (Reply #52)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 07:00 AM

True Blue American (16,803 posts)

82. True!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:43 PM

trueblue2007 (16,331 posts)

53. I think Bernie GAFF'S as often as Joe. Bernie hem andf haws ALL THE TIME.....

WE WON'T KNOW UNLESS WE START COUNTING WILL WE???

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:11 AM

Fresh_Start (11,326 posts)

91. he only knows one tune

and he's practiced it for over 50 years....so he has 'muscle' memory on his schtick.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:26 PM

wasupaloopa (4,516 posts)

4. Bernie acts the same where ever he is. I cannot understand why he is where he is in popularity.

Last night he was wagging his finger and yelling at Biden. He was telling Biden what the problem is with health care, as he has done for years, as if Biden doesn't have a clue.

Personally I can't stand him. I mute him when ever I can and his team.

I want him to drop out soon so he and his followers don't pull his 2016 shit at the convention.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:30 PM

questionseverything (9,136 posts)

8. bernie knows millions were left out by the aca

and millions more have coverage they can't afford to use

and evidently biden doesn't have a clue since he thinks it is just great

I would like to see some drop out too but it isn't bernie

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:25 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

43. THIS!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:31 PM

Blue_true (31,261 posts)

60. Sanders has been in Congress since the 80s.

Until the ACA, hundreds of thousands were dying each year because of lack of ANY health insurance. The ACA has made a positive difference, Biden is saying that we should build on that instead of stepping back to where we were pre-ACA.

People can pull on their rose colored glasses if they want to, but the attack on MFA will be vicious, the attack on Hillary's 90s healthcare plan on steroids. If could easily take a decade or more to get MFA, during the meantime, if the ACA is abandoned, thousands of people that are now living because of the ACA will go back to dying.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #60)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:36 PM

betsuni (22,143 posts)

62. +10000000

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #60)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 12:07 AM

obnoxiousdrunk (2,764 posts)

65. +1.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #60)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 02:48 AM

questionseverything (9,136 posts)

73. i honestly think most our pols are to far removed from reality to understand how expensive and

unworkable the aca premiums are

hillarys healthcare was in part attacked because it was so complicated the aca is the same to some extent

for the older set the aca premiums are out of reach and we find ourselves paying for coverage for others when we can't afford it for ourselves

I wouldn't have a problem hearing they want to build on the aca but all I hear is how the penalty being gone is so awful

people are not going w/o healthcare for kicks it is because the numbers just don't work

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #73)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 08:39 AM

dansolo (5,376 posts)

89. That was because of Republican sabotage

Republicans passed bills that hindered or eliminated the parts of the ACA that were meant to lower premiums. Instead of trashing the ACA, we should be reversing those changes and strengthening the protections.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to dansolo (Reply #89)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 05:09 PM

questionseverything (9,136 posts)

98. rep sabatage when the bill was originally passed?

because for us older folks in middle income homes it has been out of reach from the beginning

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #98)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:45 PM

Blue_true (31,261 posts)

104. You raise a ligitimate point.

The ACA does not work as well as it should for the people in the $55,000-$85,000 single household annual salary range - $110,000-$170,000 for couples (could be lower in some parts of the country). That is because those folks do not qualify for premium assistance like lower salaried people do. Biden has talked about that particular problem, the solution is to increase the salary range that qualifies for assistance - that is one of the ACA fixes that he has mentioned. Another fix would be to allow small companies to join the ACA in "group" plans, where the small companies buy reduced rate, high quality health insurance for employees.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #60)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 05:58 PM

RelativelyJones (898 posts)

101. +1000

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #60)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:19 PM

demosincebirth (12,360 posts)

102. medicare for all is great, but if passed, the republicans will make hay out of it and there would go

our majority in congress. Just like when we passed ACA. We should built on it (ACA) and make it affordable to all, if they want it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:34 PM

question everything (45,026 posts)

12. This really bothers me. He purposefully is not a Democrat

and mocks all of us for inserting himself in our caucuses, our primaries, our party bylaws.

And many follow him like children did with the Pied Piper of Hamlin.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:46 PM

Thekaspervote (29,061 posts)

26. Spot on!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 04:39 PM

Amimnoch (4,558 posts)

96. Exactly. Any actual Democratic Party Candidate for 2020.

I’ll vote for, donate to, canvass for, volunteer phone bank for any Democratic Party Candidate in the 2020 election. As per the site rule, I support DEMOCRATS.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to question everything (Reply #12)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:24 PM

demosincebirth (12,360 posts)

103. I wonder what he has against becoming a Democrat? He ever say?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to demosincebirth (Reply #103)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:57 PM

betsuni (22,143 posts)

105. Because he thinks there's "no substantive ideological difference" between the two parties,

they're both "intellectually and morally bankrupt."

This revelation came to him while he was watching JFK debate Nixon. They both hated the Cuban Revolution. "I was physically nauseated by his [JFK's] speech." "Seeing through Kennedy, and what liberalism was, was probably a significant step for me to understand that conventional politics or liberalism was not what was relevant."

So I guess it's Kennedy's fault Bernie thinks Democrats are gross and he will never join the party.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to betsuni (Reply #105)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 07:07 PM

demosincebirth (12,360 posts)

106. Everybody felt like that at that time. Russian communism was creeping to our doorstep. He probably

changed his view about it long after the revolution happened.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to wasupaloopa (Reply #4)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:42 AM

Botany (67,309 posts)

78. Yup! How dare the Democratic Nomination went to a Democrat? How unfair.

And Russia helped to "egg on" the butt hurt feelings of all those Bernie Bros too.

"I want him to drop out soon so he and his followers don't pull his 2016 shit at the convention."

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Botany (Reply #78)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:50 AM

betsuni (22,143 posts)

79. +1

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to betsuni (Reply #79)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 08:26 AM

Botany (67,309 posts)

87. Bernie needs to go away

n/t

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Botany (Reply #87)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 01:20 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

93. If he does, Warren will win both Iowa and New Hampshire.

That wouldn't necessarily win her the nomination but it would sink the Biden ship.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:26 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

5. Sanders represents a generational shift and awakening

If you look deep into the polls, you'll see he hasn't lost that 85% he earned last time around (more than clinton and trump combined in the primaries)
Biden is not so popular with the future legislators and tax payers.

That's my take anyways. Biden and Sanders don't represent their physical age in the same way. Quite the opposite.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:33 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

11. or to put it another way, Biden is running on restoring the past, Sanders on creating a new future.

It' a bit of a juggling act for Biden. On the one hand he speaks often of his past achievements, citing dates from before many were born, which is a really good thing, but on the other, it is a reminder of just how old he is that he himself is talking about.

It would be good to hear him talk about how the world has changed so much since 2003, and how he will find new ways to fix the broken ways - those ways that keep breaking things.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:35 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

13. A 78 year old man "represents a generational shift"?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to George II (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:41 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

20. Yup. He's the face of the future for the next generation.

I know, its weird. But that's where the biggest chunk of his support is!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:49 PM

George II (67,782 posts)

29. It's also the chunk that historically has the lowest voter turnout.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to George II (Reply #29)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:56 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

31. That HAS been true but it was the chunk with the largest uptick in turnout in '18.

If that trend continues, it won't just be Bernie {edit: and the young activists esp. Parksville youth] trying to change the world in future elections.
We'll just have to wait and check in on voter registration over the next few months I guess.

EDIT: Important, and I forgot! Those kids from Parksville went EVERYWHERE with captchas on t-shirts registering young people - and that horrific event and those kids' activism brought out tons of voters!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #31)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:05 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

75. Donald Trump had a helluva lot more to do with midterm turnout than BS. Moderates won the day!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #75)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:08 AM

betsuni (22,143 posts)

77. +1

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #31)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:58 AM

JI7 (87,732 posts)

81. most of the people Sanders endorsed lost the primary . Sharice Davids for example won

and Sanders and AOC campaigned against her .

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:27 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

44. Quite the opposite indeed... Bernie has found the foundation of youth!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #44)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:06 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

76. "The foundation of youth"? WTH is that?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #76)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 06:57 AM

betsuni (22,143 posts)

80. Did they mean "Fountain of Youth"?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #80)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 07:02 AM

Tarheel_Dem (31,129 posts)

83. I was hoping the poster would clear it up. I wouldn't want the poster to be accused of a "gaffe".

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Response to Tarheel_Dem (Reply #83)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 07:03 AM

betsuni (22,143 posts)

84. Heh.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:27 PM

melman (7,681 posts)

6. There isn't so much talk about Biden's age

Except from people trying to spin it to make it about age. It's not.

Bernie is a lot sharper. It's undeniable.

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to melman (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:31 PM

JoeOtterbein (7,458 posts)

9. +1

I know people half Bernie's age who are not nearly as sharp as he is. Also, you can tell Bernie knows his stuff. Especially healthcare.

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:31 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

45. Got that right, Bernie has boundless energy... the contrast between Bernie & Joe was quite evident.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to melman (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:31 PM

question everything (45,026 posts)

10. I suppose being a perennial contrarian sharpened him

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Response to melman (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:38 PM

JI7 (87,732 posts)

14. he isn't sharp at all . he repeats the same lines and gets angry if asked for details and

explanations.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:39 PM

melman (7,681 posts)

17. Nonsense

He's totally on the ball. Especially in comparison.

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Response to melman (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:40 PM

JI7 (87,732 posts)

19. not really, he lacks depth. only shouts slogans and conspiracy theories

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Response to melman (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:32 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

46. So true... it's almost not fair!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to JI7 (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:44 PM

TreasonousBastard (42,072 posts)

22. Yup. I listened to him throw out numbers with no explanation-- the same...

numbers he's been throwing out without being challenged.

Except for the ones where he was challenged, but he ignored that and kept on using the numbers anyway.

I guess the finger pointing and the yelling make up for details.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to JI7 (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:46 PM

Thekaspervote (29,061 posts)

27. This!!

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to JI7 (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:50 PM

emmaverybo (8,143 posts)

30. True. I can barely listen to his abrasive harangues. He is rigid in his ideology and lets nothing

in. Just keeps spewing forth. Easy to be sharp when you say the same things over and over.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:02 PM

betsuni (22,143 posts)

35. "If you will ask me how much that's [Medicare for All] gonna cost, I don't have that in my pocket."

But I thought he wrote the damn bill. Doesn't like details or questions.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #35)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 02:27 AM

Cha (283,844 posts)

72. Cat's out of the bag?

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Response to Cha (Reply #72)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 02:52 AM

betsuni (22,143 posts)

74. Meow.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to melman (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:40 PM

Hoyt (54,770 posts)

18. Well, I bet when I'm 90, I'll still be able to yell about things I've been yelling about for decades

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Response to melman (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:43 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

21. dunno - I think the talk is coming from Biden himself - constant reminiscence

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:05 PM

melman (7,681 posts)

36. But my point is people make it about ageism as a way to deflect and shut down discussion

It's not about any particular number. It's about the individual.

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Response to melman (Reply #36)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:13 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

39. oh ya - for sure. 'Ageism' is being used as a foil

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:34 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

47. Yeah, but look what Joe is reminiscing about?! You'd think his advisors would advise against it!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #47)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:44 PM

floppyboo (2,461 posts)

55. Guess ya gotta take the bad with the sad if you've gotta go with Uncle Joe.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #55)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 01:47 AM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

70. True, though every candidate does have their warts... some more than others I guess.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:38 PM

Hoyt (54,770 posts)

15. And Elizabeth Warren is 70. It appears voters like some age on their candidates.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #15)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:18 PM

Polybius (12,331 posts)

108. She looks a lot younger though

Biden looks younger too. If anything Bernie looks older than his age.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:38 PM

Fiendish Thingy (12,154 posts)

16. Biden's cognitive function is clearly declining, Sanders and Warren are not nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:44 PM

Hassin Bin Sober (25,460 posts)

23. Yep!

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:45 PM

TreasonousBastard (42,072 posts)

25. Warren, anyway.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:47 PM

Thekaspervote (29,061 posts)

28. You are entitled to your opinion

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:56 PM

Fiendish Thingy (12,154 posts)

32. It is my opinion as a mental health professional nt

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #32)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:09 PM

TwilightZone (21,586 posts)

37. Diagnosing via television?

That's a no-no, is it not?

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #37)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:21 PM

Fiendish Thingy (12,154 posts)

41. Nope, not when the symptoms are so clear

Lots of professionals do tele health, including screening for cognitive functioning.

Certainly, some diagnoses require thorough interviews and testing, but for public figures, the symptoms can often be readily observed.

For example, Trump's decades in public life have provided ample evidence to diagnose him with Narcissitic Personality Disorder.

I wouldn't venture a specific DSM/ICD code for Biden, but it is clear his cognitive functioning is declining.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:35 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

49. The debate really brings out the contrast... TV is not always kind.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 09:44 PM

4139 (1,888 posts)

24. Telling poor people: make sure you have the record player on at night

... is something the might have been said 30-40 years ago.

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Response to 4139 (Reply #24)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:36 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

50. Can't believe Joe said that... seemed a bit condescending.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:01 PM

Thirties Child (543 posts)

33. Sanders was my choice in 2016, not that it did much good in Georgia. No longer. He's too old.

If elected, he would be 80 when he was inaugurated. Much too old. I'm not ageist -- I'm an older-than-Sanders 84. Right now I'm for Warren, think Harris could handle 45 better in debates.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:01 PM

BeyondGeography (38,556 posts)

34. You don't want to know

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:11 PM

tymorial (3,432 posts)

38. I can't speak to others but I've argued they both shouldnt be running

I don't care what their mental faculty looks like today. I'm concerned about tomorrow. Statistically it is unrealistic that a man or woman in their late 70s will be able to manage the extreme hours, travel, learning, education and time demands required of the office.

And yeah I know, some are going to call me an ageist for daring to bring up issues of health, constitution and mental acuity among geriatrics.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #38)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:37 PM

InAbLuEsTaTe (23,841 posts)

51. Why so ageist?! (You were right!)

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!

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primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Response to tymorial (Reply #38)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:32 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

61. That's just a fact of life. These guys would be older than Reagan was when Reagan left office.

Trump's record as oldest to take office would be shattered. Not all records are meant to be broken.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:21 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

40. Sanders has no shot at the nomination. Anyway, I think both are too old.

We're talking about people who would be older than Reagan was when Reagan *left* office.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:34 PM

democratisphere (17,235 posts)

48. Joe Biden is the target of the "free for all".

Bernie Sanders is not, for obvious reasons.
Democrats have no God damn business attacking other Democrats, specially front runners. This is why we lose elections.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:57 PM

Gothmog (126,446 posts)

56. I was with Joe today

He is in great shape.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #56)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:36 PM

highplainsdem (43,057 posts)

63. Thanks, Gothmog! I saw some video of Biden today, too, and he looked and sounded great, very sharp.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #63)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 07:06 AM

True Blue American (16,803 posts)

85. I have never seen Biden not

Look sharp, but from someone who saw Joe up close that is a huge plus.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:03 PM

ecstatic (30,753 posts)

57. I'm guessing because Sanders has looked and acted old for the past 40 or 50 years.

Biden as the "old guy" is something new.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:21 PM

Blue_true (31,261 posts)

58. Someone here said that Bernie looked 1,000 years old last night. nt

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #58)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:24 PM

question everything (45,026 posts)

59. Close enough.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #58)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 02:24 AM

Raine (29,457 posts)

71. Bernie's always looked old

even when he was young

I love the guy!

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Fri Sep 13, 2019, 11:45 PM

colsohlibgal (5,259 posts)

64. One Big Reason

He makes nowhere near the verbal gaffes that Joe does, And I haven’t heard Bernie talk about record players. That said I think Bernie is too old as well

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Response to colsohlibgal (Reply #64)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 12:59 AM

emulatorloo (41,142 posts)

67. Bernie talked about subway tokens in 2016, didn't know about metrocards.

He was not aware of metrocards. Thought passengers still used tokens.

Bernie makes gaffes, but they aren’t obsessively converted.

BTW I don’t care about gaffes or mistakes.

Both Bernie and Biden would make excellent Presidents.

Bernie Sanders rode the subway ‘about a year ago,’ but is not aware of Metrocards
Larry McShane
By LARRY MCSHANE
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
APR 01, 2016

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-not-savvy-subway-rider-article-1.2585761

Snip

"What do you mean, 'How do you ride the subway these days?'" Sanders inquired. "You get a token and you get on."

Snip

(More at link)

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 01:01 AM

Doodley (8,811 posts)

68. Sanders is well rehearsed. He makes much the same points time and time again over many years.

Biden sometimes mispeaks, like many of us unpolished folk do. Some people see this as being unrehearsed, being real, being sincere. Some people want to make it about his age--they think it should be more important than it really is.
.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 01:10 AM

NCLefty (3,678 posts)

69. Good question. Bernie is 'allowed' to be cranky+old for some reason. :p

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 07:06 AM

Croney (4,037 posts)

86. It is a testament to my fervent desire to see the end of our current nightmare

when I say that if BS is the Democratic nominee for President, I will vote for him without hesitation.

Do I think that might happen? Nope.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 08:38 AM

LAS14 (13,053 posts)

88. Yep, I agree with the people who say Bernie doesn't make gaffs because...

.... he says exactly the same thing over and over, regardless of the question. Biden listens and goes for the intelligent response. Those varied responses cover a lot of niggly little facts that anyone might misstate.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 11:45 AM

nancy1942 (625 posts)

92. Tired of Sanders' grumpy old man routine.

Personally...this constant irritation has gotten very old. Enough already.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 04:20 PM

whistler162 (11,155 posts)

94. The Gerital brigade in my book

is just too old for the job, Biden/Sanders/Warren.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #94)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 04:30 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

95. We typically elect young presidents. Rare to have a president over 62, much less 70.

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 05:27 PM

BlueMississippi (776 posts)

99. BS is like one of those actors

who acts the same no matter what role he is cast in ... from popcorn salesman to Catholic priest to mob boss to a WWII fighter pilot --- the same diction, the same finger pointing, the same hand gestures and the same stoop.

In the political arena, it is also the same speech.

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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sat Sep 14, 2019, 05:51 PM

myohmy2 (3,030 posts)

100. true...

...Bernie looked a little under the weather the other night but he showed and delivered...

...the age question I think is less about chronological age and more about fire-in-the-belly...as we age we all have a tendency to slow down, however

...do you passionately believe in what you're saying?...do you want others to passionately believe it too?...do fight for what's right with all your heart and soul?...are you incensed by the injustice and the evils of the world?...do wake every morning willing to give it your all?

...I'd rather vote for a vibrant, enthusiastic and passionate 80 year old for President than a laid-back coasting 40 year old...

...both Bernie and Joe has this fire-in-the-belly I'm talking about...they wouldn't be where they are if they didn't...

...I just believe Bernie has more of it and would make better President for the working class in our country...

...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:24 PM

Gothmog (126,446 posts)

109. I remember Joe Biden jogging at a JUly 4th event in Iowa

Link to tweet

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Response to question everything (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:54 PM

loyalsister (13,390 posts)

110. I support neither

Age is one factor that influences me in both cases. I was frustrated by the 2016 choices for the same reason.
I would still love to see one of the younger candidates break out and solidly capture the imagination of the primary electorate. In my perfect world, they would be figuring it out behind the scenes right now.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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