Last Night I Was Wrong When I Called for Castro to Step Down About What Joe Said...

[JoeOtterbein]

Last edited Fri Sep 13, 2019, 10:16 PM - Edit history (1)

...looks like I was wrong big time:

Castro was right: Fact-checkers whiff on a key exchange in the third Democratic debate

[link:https://www.alternet.org/2019/09/castro-was-right-fact-checkers-whiff-on-a-key-exchange-in-the-third-democratic-debate/|

he most tweeted-about moment in the third Democratic primary debate on Thursday night came when Julián Castro accused Joe Biden of having forgotten a central point of his healthcare proposal. A day later, Castro’s been panned by the pundits for being overly aggressive in his attack and called out by the fact-checkers for the substance of his dispute. But whatever one thinks of his tone, Castro was absolutely correct about one of the crucial differences between Biden’s approach to healthcare and those embraced by more progressive candidates.

You wouldn’t know Castro got it right reading the headlines this morning. “Castro’s Attack On Biden For Blanking On His Health Care Plan Falls Flat,” read one from Politifact that was accompanied by a “mostly false” rating. “Castro appears to misrepresent Biden’s health care plan during debate,” was how USA Today put it. The Washington Post named Castro one of the losers of the night because “his biggest optical win didn’t have substance to back it up.”

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Opps! Sorry!

Edit to add link to the video-tape of Biden quote at 15:15:

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[elleng]

1. Not surprised he was right.

They both should have found a better way to 'resolve' it, or 'shut it down.'

[blue cat]

2. So happy that some are seeing it now.

It was frustrating as hell to watch the talking heads last night. The fact checkers were wrong this time.

[Gothmog]

3. No you are wrong

The fact checkers were correct

I have met both Castro brothers. Julian will not be the nominee

[JoeOtterbein]

13. Please see record at 15:15 in edit of post above.

[Gothmog]

17. I watched the debate last night

The fact checkers were correct and you are wrong

[Hoyt]

4. Biden made several comments about someone becoming enrolled in PO, Castro is the one that

got confused.

My guess is that he was waiting all night to call Biden out for his memory, and he thought he heard the opening. But, he got it wrong.

[JoeOtterbein]

12. Please see record at 15:15 in edit of post above.

[Atticus]

5. I watched the debate and heard what was said. Castro was not only wrong in the manner in which

he spoke, he was wrong in his accusation. Specifically, he repeatedly emphasized one thing Biden did say---"buy in"---but ignored the fact that he also said people who could not afford to buy in would "automatically" be covered. Castro's repetition of "Did you forget what you said two minutes ago?" was ageism, pure and simple.

Most of us are better than that.

With this hit piece, Alternet lost any tiny bit of benefit of the doubt it might have had left.

[emulatorloo]

7. Well said.

[JoeOtterbein]

9. Further down:

It seems that when Castro referred to his grandmother being on Medicare, Biden heard a story of a low-income woman who couldn’t afford coverage. “Your grandmother would not have to buy in. If she qualifies for Medicaid, she would automatically be enrolled,” he said.

[JoeOtterbein]

11. Please see record at 15:15 in edit of post above.

[Atticus]

14. I did watch it and heard---again--- what Biden said in that passage. But, nothing contradicts what

I said in my original response.

[JoeOtterbein]

16. True with my original post too.

[Gothmog]

18. Same here

The Op is wrong

[JoeOtterbein]

21. I wrote the damn Op!

[emmaverybo]

32. Well you are wrong.

[Gothmog]

36. The OP on this thread is wrong

Castro was wrong when he attacked Biden

The Castro Brothers burn some bridges in Texas. I have met both Castr brothers at several events. This incident will hurt Julian

[KT2000]

30. Agree!

Castro showed himself as a jerk. Had enough of that.

[nsd]

6. Alternet.org?

Yeah ... no

[Gothmog]

19. I noticed that also

[emulatorloo]

8. Scorched-Earth campaigning and personal character attacks are never "right"

especially when one Democrat goes scorched-earth on another Democrat.

See also https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=278380

[Hortensis]

34. Best I can say is that Castro failed at dirty politics. This time.

Besides, this particular attempt was not just dishonorable but stupid, and they're supposed to be demonstrating competence.

[GeorgeGist]

10. He should have told Joe about the 'buy in' ...

"so we agree." No fact checking required.

[floppyboo]

20. well, Castro was wrong. It was 4 minutes before, not 2.

[JoeOtterbein]

22. +1 LOL!

[NYMinute]

23. Alternet Altered Reality for hurt minds

Distorting reality is alternet's specialty.

I am not surprised that the anti-Biden far left was scouring alternet to make them feel better since Biden had a spectacular performance in the debate.

The story in the OP is written by Joshua Holland, a frequent presence in far-left publications like common dreams. He is also David Sirota's buddy.

[TomSlick]

24. I thought I was wrong once but I was mistaken.

Castro was out of line trying to make a case that Biden is too old for the job. It was petty.

I have had enough of a President making petty attacks. I am not looking to elect another one.

[BlueMississippi]

25. lol not David Sirota's playbook again

The article is written by a friend of a certain campaign

[JoeOtterbein]

27. Sorry. I don't understand. I thought Joe, and his supporters, loved a "friend"?

[BlueMississippi]

37. David Sirota is a dirty trick specialist who voted for Jill Stein

So far, his dirty tricks have not worked ... but there are a lot of gullible, starry eyed, naïve, young reporters with a "revolutionary" mindset. Sirota manipulates them and they start churning out biased articles against the Democratic mainstream.

You do know what I mean

[ehrnst]

38. Friends of Democrats and the Democratic party....

Alternet, not so much lately.

[Indykatie]

28. Castro Should Step Down Because He's Polling Less Than 3% and That Isn't Likely to Change

He's even polling poorly in TX taking just 3% in 3 different polls done in the state. If he can't do better than that in TX why continue on?

[JoeOtterbein]

29. Please don't fall in the poll trap yet. It bites back hard!

[evertonfc]

31. castro

Moot point really. He stands zero chance of nomination.

[Hortensis]

33. No, Castro DID lie. ALL our candidates want universal coverage.

The Democratic Party is committed to universal coverage.
Castro is for universal coverage.
Biden is for universal coverage.
Everyone on that stage is for universal coverage.

Castro knew that but claimed that Biden's plan would bar many millions from access to healthcare. That was dishonest and dishonorable, and damaging to the party message. And that audience knew it and booed him.

[elias7]

35. Biden's speech is so disjointed that it is hard to determine

“The option I’m proposing is a Medicare for all...a Medicare for choice. If you want Medicare...if you lose the job from your insurance company...from your employer, you automatically can buy into this. You don’t have...no preexisting condition can stop you from buying in. You get covered, period.

Stephanopoulos also drives me nuts, trying repeatedly to get a sound bite of candidates saying they’re going to have raise taxes, when Warren correctly points out it’s not about taxes, it’s about total cost. I’d rather pay $10k more in taxes if it saves me $20k in premiums, copays and deductibles. I come out $10k ahead. And Bernie is right, that money should go right into your paycheck instead of being deducted by employer. Sorry, Joe, but the jab at Bernie the socialist was not only low, but wrong.