Breaking: Beto raises $6.1 million

[Laura PourMeADrink]

On CNN. From every state

[katmondoo]

1. I try but can't seem to get excited over Beto

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

3. Me neither. Still waitin to see where he comes down on certain issues...seems to be all over the map

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[MyNameGoesHere]

10. That's ok

Seems to be enough people that are excited that your excitement won't be missed.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

16. Oh okay... nice dig.

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[lancelyons]

53. It is a dig and i suspect because it happens the other way around as well.

There are enough Bernie Sanders fans that dig on all the other candidates... probably deliberately pushing their agenda.


All is ok as LONG AS IN THE END... we all vote for the DEMOCRAT that WON the nomination. PERIOD.

If we have Sanders supporters or Beto supporters that start attacking the other side...then not voting.. thats a problem.

[True Blue American]

98. Young Joe Kennedy

Campaigned with Beto. Bobby Grandson

[Kahuna7]

130. Good to know. That RFK aura will connect with us seniors...

I bet he knows that.

[Blue_true]

111. 1,000,000,000,000%. nt

[BannonsLiver]

64. He beat Bernie's 24-hour haul

After all the boasting by Sanders supporters.

[awesomerwb1]

101. AnD oF CoUrSe ThE BeRnIe

SupPorTeRs doNt AppEaR to Be VeRy HaPpY aT aLL.

[BannonsLiver]

106. Yeah, seems to be a lot of saltiness today.

[Blue_true]

112. You're trolling someone

Actually I think that she (I think) is a cool person, just a Bernie lifer, it seems. Maybe not as much as the uncle that I don't relish seeing

[MyNameGoesHere]

128. I KnOw

I jUsT bOuGhT tHiS NeW kEyBoArD sO I CoUlD tYpE aLl WeIRd.

[True Blue American]

150. I need one of those.

Mine just skips letters.

[George II]

161. You win DU for the day, no make that the week!

[NurseJackie]

165. YoU rOcK!

[Gothmog]

166. LOL

[sheshe2]

174. Lol

[brer cat]

209. LoL! nt

[sheshe2]

157. CNN is calling him the 6 Million Dollar Man!

I use to watch that show all the time!





Go Beto!

[ucrdem]

255. Good one sheshe!

[ananda]

69. Beto will have such a positive effect on political dialogue!

I have always liked him for that!!!

[Autumn]

32. I think when a candidate has to work to find their footing on health care in different

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states and has a less-than-straightforward history with Medicare for All people is not what we need at this time. He's all over the place on it, depending on where he's at

June 15, 2017: Writes a Facebook post that says, “A single-payer Medicare-for-all program is the best way to ensure all Americans get the health care they need.”

June 17, 2017: Writes a much longer Facebook post saying, “We need a single-payer health care system for all Americans,” but that he wouldn’t co-sponsor the House bill for single-payer health care because it excluded for-profit providers from participating in the system.

September 20, 2017: Tells the Texas Observer that he likes the Sanders bill but says he disagrees with the lack of copays and premiums for all Americans. He’d prefer that Americans kick in something.

And this one really blows me away. Did he sleep though what the Republicans did to the ACA? WTF. Beto might be great for Texas but I think he's wrong for America.

January 18, 2018: O’Rourke posts a campaign video where he talks a bit more about his vision: “What’s my vision? Universal health care and very likely that will involve some form of a single-payer system. Some expansion of Medicare, perhaps from where it is right now at 65 all the way down to zero. Or I’m open, if somebody has a better way to do this, including especially Republicans, I’m open to their vision of how to get there.” He then goes on to talk about adding Medicare to the marketplace as a public option as “a step we can take on the road to getting to universal health care.”

https://www.vox.com/2019/3/15/18265814/beto-orourke-medicare-for-all-health-care

[R B Garr]

40. He's right not to be on a bandwagon that has already been

rejected by the electorate. Universal health care is a perfectly progressive position.

[Autumn]

46. Medicare for All has not been rejected by the electorate.

[getagrip_already]

60. "Medicare for all" is not a thing... it's a dozen things..

MANDATED medicare for all is unpopular. An opt-in is popular. An opt-in for over 50 is even more popular. Government negotiated drug prices is very popular.

I hate those labels. "Medicare for all"... "The green new deal"... Even "Gun control/Gun Rights".

Those aren't things. They are labels. They mean too many things to too many different people to be of any use.

When you break down the positions on the actual policies, bernie is an extremist. That is generally unpopular. Just at right wing extremism is popular in a certain slice of the electorate, it's unpopular over all when you break it down into actual policy.

I'm not saying the positions are bad, they just don't have broad support. And if you are never elected, and sit in the senate and NEVER sponsor any of them as successful bills, what does a good policy even mean?

[R B Garr]

131. Lost in California in 2016. His groups lost in California in 2018.

[Autumn]

136. It's been rejected is the reason so many Dems have running on it.

Yeah sure This year and last. nt

[R B Garr]

138. They are not the electorate. And why not try to beat

him at his own game.

It went down in California. Bernie said Medicare 4 all, and the voters said no.

[True Blue American]

99. I like the fact

Beto is listening, letting people ask him questions. Obama did that, too.

[Gothmog]

167. I have been in a small group setting with Beto and he is amazing

[True Blue American]

297. Thank you

For sharing.

[George II]

180. That's not "working to find a footing", that's being pragmatic open minded.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

252. THIS!!!! +1,000!!!!

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[R B Garr]

34. Your concern is hilarious, considering..

[George II]

58. When it comes to fundraising and support, he indeed IS "all over the map"....

....with contributions from each and every one of the 50 states!

[Mars and Minerva]

70. My favorite candidate so far is Harris but...

Beto is a great candidate and in 2020 THAT IS WHAT COUNTS! I can't say that loudly enough.

He has plenty of time to roll out a platform. It's smarter to take the time to address issues as they come up in the real world.

Whether he wins the primary or just gets his message on immigration out there while making his first run at the White
house, he's on my side.

[Old Vet]

149. Seems nobody learned anything from 2016, WTF............

back any democratic you want BUT don't turn this into another fucking circular firing squad. if you dis-agree with a candidate tell us why, Don't start being a wise ass and throwing dems under a bus.

[Mars and Minerva]

288. Is that what you read in my post?

This is a really scary post considering my post. Now I know why I left this place in 2016.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. It is a totally different approach than we are

used to. He just completely speaks from his heart. No pollsters, no prepared remarks. He's like trump in that regard, only saying good things instead of bad things. So with that, you are more prone to stumble a lot, compared to those who analyze
impacts of words from every angle before hand.

[True Blue American]

17. I listened to what Beto

Said about listening to the people first. He called this a listening tour.

Now that Cruz has been fined for cheating you have to wonder if Beto did not win that race.

[Lulu KC]

27. Yes, same thought crossed my mind n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

84. I didn't know Cruz had been fined ! Just goes to show you - I watch

news more than most people, and I didn't hear about it. Just shows it works - cheaters prosper.

[True Blue American]

97. I read it on the net.

The news shows tell you nothing.

Since Spectrum just raised my bundle $40 I am looking into streaming and am finding all kinds of sites thanks to many of our experts on this board.

[TexasTowelie]

124. I posted a thread about it in the Texas Group this morning.

[True Blue American]

137. Thanks

Missed that.

[TexasTowelie]

146. I understand since it was posted in the wee hours of the morning.

I would have posted it a day or two ago, but I had the black screen of death on my desktop computer. I've been using my cellphone or my brother's laptop so I'm falling behind on posting OPs like I usually do.

[True Blue American]

148. I am here in the wee hours

Of the morning, but 4 hours before you.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

197. You rock TT

[Old Vet]

241. Saw that thanks........

[Skidmore]

45. He reminds me of

Bobby Kennedy in that he speaks from his heart to decency and compassion. It's an important message and timely. Both are missing today but provide important scaffolding on which to build policy.

[Renew Deal]

21. I've noticed a trend of posts like this

Interesting strategy

[Adrahil]

61. And Warren leaves me cold.

That's why we have primaries.

[Politicub]

294. I have excitement to go around.

Even enough for you.

Beto is able to motivate people. I'm impressed by the way he instantly connects with people.

And the dog-petting clip just posted warmed my heart.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. First 24 hrs

Beto $6.1
Bernie $5.9 m
Harris $1.5 m

First 48 hr
Klibuchar $1 m
Hickenlooper $ 1 m

Ref: CNN screen chart

[Cha]

4. Wow.. Cool!

Beto is affecting some Dems strongly!

[helpisontheway]

5. There goes the theory that he was hiding the numbers...

He did not want to be seen as bragging about it. Thank goodness he raised more than Bernie. Hope the young people flock to Beto instead of Bernie. They responded to Obama’s inspirational message so I hope it is the same with Beto. Hope some of the Obama people help him. If he does not get the nomination maybe he can be the VP candidate.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

18. I congratulate Beto, but in the interest of full transparency, I'd like to see the source

and amounts of those donations.


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[OBrien]

30. I'd like to see Bernie's taxes

And the source of his contributions.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

44. 2014 is already out.

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[MrsCoffee]

76. Already?

[George II]

239. I believe this is 2019

[lapucelle]

285. Isn't that just an old short form summar from several years ago? N/T

[redstateblues]

77. 2014-LOL! What is Bernie hiding?

[ehrnst]

114. You mean the 1040? No, that's a summary, not a full release.

He said once that he had released his tax returns in the past, but it turns out that was not correct.

I'm hoping that someone explains that to him.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

152. One report of Bernie's 2014 release ...(& tax returns filed AFTER the 2016 race will be released):

Bernie Sanders released tax returns on Friday evening that showed he and his wife Jane made a little over $200,000 in 2014.

The Vermont Senator paid about $27,653 in taxes, about 13.4% of his total income, according to the tax returns. The couple made a little over $8,000 in charitable donations, according to the seven-page document released by the campaign.

...

Just be patient... you'll see.


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[mcar]

158. Link to full return?

And why just 2014?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

159. Just tellin you what's been reported...if you're really that interested, I'm sure you'll find it.

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[Gothmog]

176. Again the facts do not support this claim

Link to tweet

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

196. So not true... see my discussion below... those are the facts.

I credit some people here who at least acknowledge that Bernie DID comply, by submitting his 2014 tax returns... maybe a few weeks later than they would have liked, but, so what? That just a fact, so please, give Bernie a break!!


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[Gothmog]

214. The Washington Post, CNN and other fact checkers have proven this claim to be false

My tax return is not that complicated and it is 40 pages. My son has a simpler return and it is 15 pages. sanders only released two pages which is not a full return in the real world

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

219. Nope, as Time Magazine reported, Bernie released the SEVEN pages of his 2014 tax return...

if you have a beef, take it up with Time. Perhaps some people are relying on outdated reports that failed to follow up AFTER Berne initially submitted the 1040 form (the "summary&quot .

My point is that it's unfair to represent that a "summary page" is ALL the 2014 info Bernie has EVER released. How anyone can disagree with this is beyond me!!


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[Gothmog]

257. Then provide a link

This article does not exist in the real world where I live. Your refusal to provide a link is amusing

[Gothmog]

220. Where is the link to this report?

[lapucelle]

286. What has "been reported"? N/T

[vsrazdem]

281. tax return

https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Sanders_2014.pdf

[Gothmog]

175. Those were not full tax returns

sanders has not released his full tax returns. This has been fact checked https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/06/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-has-released-few-tax-returns-compar/

The 2014 filings Sanders released consist of just the first two summary pages of his Form 1040 and the equivalent summary pages from his home-state Vermont tax form.

Why does this matter? Unlike most of the other candidates, Sanders has not released the succeeding pages -- the nitty gritty detail of things like charitable donations and other types of itemized deductions. For instance, Clinton’s release for tax year 2014 is 44 pages long, or more than 10 times the length of Sanders’ for the same year.
.....

Tax and disclosure experts we contacted agreed that Sanders’ current disclosures are weak by historical standards.

"If I filed the first two pages of my return with the IRS, it would not take long for them to ding me," said Kenneth A. Gross of the law firm Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP and a specialist in political disclosure and ethics. "There is a lot of information on the pages following the cover pages."

Joseph J. Thorndike, the Tax Analysts official who heads the Tax History Project, agreed.

Sanders "has not, in fact, released his most recent tax return," Thorndike said. "He has released a portion of that return. The IRS would not accept a Form 1040 as a complete return and neither should voters. Also, it’s worth noting that Sanders has not released any portion of his older returns. … If Mitt Romney had tried to release an incomplete return in 2012, the media would never have accepted it."

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

199. So, you're still arguing 2014 was only a "summary page"??....

Tell that to Time Magazine... apparently it's reporter can't count.


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[Gothmog]

212. sanders only released two pages-that is not a full tax return

your amusing claims have been fact checked and proven to be false.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

251. Wrong again... I know you've read the Time article, so why fight it?

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[Gothmog]

256. There is no time article in the real world

[Gothmog]

221. You have provided no link to this Time report

Show us the report that you claim to exist

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

262. See post #233 & #280

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[Gothmog]

223. Again, you have refused to provide a link to this report? Why?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

261. See post #233 & #280

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[TexasTowelie]

306. Is that the tax return

that shows Jane Sanders was still getting paid for being a board member for the company that wanted to dump nuclear waste on Sierra Blanca? Texans will never forget Bernie or Jane taking the NIMBY action which is why Bernie will never win Texas.

Note: I'm not bashing a Democratic public figure since Jane Sanders has never been elected as a Democratic public figure or even declared that she is a Democrat.

[Tarheel_Dem]

115. You're wrong.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

155. Nope, you're wrong... Bernie released more than "a summary page"... it was SEVEN pages in total.

See post #152 above.


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[Tarheel_Dem]

169. Post #152 doesn't contain a link? Tapper says it was a two page summary. Hmmmm. Who to believe?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

186. The quote came from Time Magazine... are you saying that Time is lying?

Clearly, Bernie's 2014 tax returns referred to by Time, consisting of a SEVEN-page document, is not "a summary page," so please stop referring to it as such... Bernie has complied.


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[Tarheel_Dem]

192. Repeating it doesn't make it so.

[Gothmog]

224. No link has been provided for a reason

I wonder why?

I have provided links to the the CNN, Washington Post and the other fact checkers.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

258. See post #233 & #280

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[Gothmog]

215. Provide a link showing the full return

You will not be able to do this because sanders has only released two pages

I trust CNN, the Washington Post and the fact checkers.

Your claim is simply wrong.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

259. See post #233 & #280

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[vsrazdem]

282. tax return

https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Sanders_2014.pdf

[Gothmog]

172. That claim earned four Pinocchios

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Link to tweet

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

187. Tell that to Time Magazine... or did Time sposedly lie too?

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[Gothmog]

218. You are wrong-I trust the Washington Post here

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

227. People sometimes do things, like release ADDITIONAL information AFTER an initial news story...

Is that so hard to believe?!

What if this was Hillary, say... would you doubt that she supplemented an initial tax summary just because an initial news story about that summary was reported BEFORE she submitted that supplemental information. Of course not... nor should anyone when it comes to Bernie.


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[Gothmog]

229. Then provide a link to this article that you claim to exist

You have not provided a link to this article that you are citing. I wonder why?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

233. LOL, why didn't you just Google "Time Magazine" "Bernie" "2014 taxes"? I could say like you just did

"I wonder why"? But, I won't. It's all there... in black and white.

I just wanted to see if anyone was really interested in finding out the truth... only one person here acknowledged that Bernie did actually supplement the initial "summary page" he provided with additional pages of his 2014 tax return.


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[Gothmog]

235. So this article does not exist

Thank you for confirming this

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

236. Riiiiiight... it's only the FIRST article that comes up in Google.

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[Gothmog]

242. LOL if you have a link show it - I have provided links to my sources

My sources actually exist in the real world

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

263. See post #233 & #280

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[Gothmog]

267. The real world is a nice place

I like living in the real world where facts exist. An imaginary article that has no link makes me smile

Again, the real world is a nice place. I like living in the real world where facts matter and one can check the facts.

The fact that this imaginary article does not exist is really amusing

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

269. You could just copy and paste into Google the 5-word search I gave you to find it...

in 5 seconds - that's how I located it (first article in the search) - or just keep pretending it doesn't exist... your choice. But, the quote you read was copied directly from there.


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[OilemFirchen]

244. CiTE iT Or it NeVer haPPenEd. N/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

264. See post #233 & #280

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[Gothmog]

268. You can not link to an imaginary article that does not exist in the real world

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

270. See post #233 & #280

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[Gothmog]

266. There is still no link to this imaginary article

In the real world, one uses sources that can be verified. If this article exists in the real world provide a link.

I am having fun watching you fail to prove the existence of this imaginary article.

I like living in the real world.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

271. See post #233 & #280

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[Gothmog]

275. Not in the real world

There is no link in that post in the real world. I never took your posts seriously but then again I live in the real world

[George II]

184. He initially released only the Form 1040, basically the summary. After being blasted....

....for not releasing the entire 7-page return, he grudgingly added the additional five pages several weeks later.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

190. Ohhhhhh so Bernie DID exactly what he said he would do!!!

But it was "weeks later"... okay George, I gotcha. So, some here can still claim Bernie only released "a summary page"... implying that's ALL he EVER released. How is that being fair to Bernie?! It's not, but, hey, I guess that's still okay, it's only Bernie... he's not even a Democrat.


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[George II]

193. No he didn't. He never said he'd release his 2014 return...

....both he and Jane said they would release their 2015 return. That never happened. He also never filed his required FEC Personal Financial Disclosure. Twice he requested extensions, both were granted. The second extension lasted until the end of July. He never filed it.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

207. All the discussion above is about whether Bernie released his 2014 tax returns...

As I said, and you duly noted, he did EXACTLY that several weeks after first releasing a "summary page"... here's what you correctly stated ('cept for the "grudgingly" part):

"He initially released only the Form 1040, basically the summary. After being blasted....
....for not releasing the entire 7-page return, he grudgingly added the additional five pages several weeks later."

What more do you want from the guy?! Why do some here refuse to acknowledge at least what you did - I give you credit for that - which is that Bernie did MORE than release a mere "summary" of his 2014 tax returns. That's simply not true.

Again, how is that fair?!


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[George II]

211. Releasing a tax return from a year prior to the one he said he'd release is wanting too much?

Yes, he first released those two pages, hoping that would be enough (even though there was a dearth of details). It wasn't, so he hemmed and hawed a few more weeks and then came up with those other five pages.

But still, that wasn't what he and Jane originally promised. We're still waiting for what he said he would do. Is that too much to ask?

[Gothmog]

216. No, sanders lied-he has not released his full return

[Gothmog]

222. Why are you refusing to provide a link to this report you claim exists?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

237. Try googling "Time Magazine" "Bernie" "2014 taxes"... voila!!! (1st article that comes up.)

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[George II]

240. I googled "Bernie" "2015 taxes", nothing. "Bernie" "2016 taxes", nothing. "Bernie" "2017 taxes"....

...nothing.

[Gothmog]

243. The article does not exist in the real world

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

248. It's ok, I should have known better than to try having a serious conversation about Bernie... my bad

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[InAbLuEsTaTe]

247. Okay, I was trying to have a serious conversation with you... my mistake.

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[George II]

249. The point is that nobody cares about 2014 income tax returns, that was two years....

...BEFORE the last election and will be six years before the next one.

2014 is history. I think you know what the point is.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

250. If no one cares about 2014 tax returns,why make up stories that Bernie only gave a summary of them?

So, obviously, someone cares about those tax returns, as a way to defame Bernie. Refusing to acknowledge that and predictably changing the subject won't change the point... but, go ahead, do it anyway... no worries.


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[mcar]

144. No it isn't

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

156. Yes it is... see post #152 above.

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[Gothmog]

177. I trust the Washington Post, CNN and Politicfact

Fact checkers have checked this claim and ruled that it is false

[Gothmog]

225. You do realize that you failed to provide any links or support in your post 152

You have not provided any links or support for your claims. Why?

I trust sources that I can check such as CNN, the Washington Post and the fact checkers

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

272. See post #233... the link is still there last I checked. You just don't want to look...

cause you already know I'm right. It's okay, we can all see.


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[Gothmog]

273. There is no link on that post or any of other posts

Thank you for the amusement. I like living in the real world. You are free to cite imaginary articles that do not exist in the real world and I am free to be amused by this silliness.

The real world is a nice place. I like living in the real world

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

277. Yup, lead you right to it. Showed post #233 to my 94-year-old dad... he had no problem finding it

in less than 10 seconds. But, you have him (and me) a good laugh, so thanks for that!!


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[Gothmog]

278. Again, no one is taking this claim seriously becuase there is no link

It may be that you do not understand the concept of a link. Here is a simplistic definition https://techterms.com/definition/link

A link (short for hyperlink) is an HTML object that allows you to jump to a new location when you click or tap it. Links are found on almost every webpage and provide a simple means of navigating between pages on the web.
Links can be attached to text, images, or other HTML elements. Most text links are blue, since that is standard color web browsers use to display links. However, links can be any color since the style of the link text may be customized using HTML or CSS styles. In the early days of the web, links were underlined by default. Today, underlining links is less common.
When a link is applied to an image, the link tag encapsulates, or surrounds the image tag. Since the image tag is nested inside the link tag, the image itself becomes a link. This method can be used to apply links to other elements such as <div> and <span> objects. However, since CSS can be used to stylize a link, an <a> tag with a CSS class or ID attribute is often used in place of a <div> or <span> tag.

Again, you have no proof for this claim and so no one is taking this claim seriously. Sanders has not released his full tax returns in the real world and so is not a serious candidate

Link to tweet

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

290. You have it, see post #233... also post #280 with Bernie's complete return as Time Magazine reported

I know you're really not interested in the inconvenient truth that Bernie DID provide his 2014 tax return, not just a "summary page." But, for those who are... whooop, there it is!!!


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[Gothmog]

289. Washington State is adopting a ballot access law

This is great news https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/434412-washington-senate-passes-bill-that-would-keep-trump-off-2020-ballot

Washington's state Senate passed a bill this week that would drop President Trump from the state's 2020 presidential ballot until he releases his tax returns.

The bill, which advanced Tuesday to the state's House of Representatives, according to CBS News, would require any candidate on the ballot for president in the state to release five years of tax returns before appearing in a general or primary election.

Senators voted by a 28-21 margin to approve the bill, according to CBS. The state's attorney general and solicitor told lawmakers in a letter this week that the proposal likely was constitutional, but analysts expect the law if passed to be challenged in federal court.

"The disclosure requirement you propose is likely Constitutional," the two wrote to lawmakers, according to CBS, adding that the measure "would definitely be challenged in court."

[vsrazdem]

280. Tax return

https://s3.amazonaws.com/pdfs.taxnotes.com/2019/B_Sanders_2014.pdf

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

291. Bernie's full tax return has been easily accessible for a long time. But, hey, why admit the truth

when you can bash Bernie for submitting only a "summary page"?! Some here won't even look at it and admit that Bernie kept his word, as he always does, and provided his 2014 tax return.


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[Gothmog]

171. Jake Tapper fact checked this claim and proved that it was false

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

179. Maybe Jake should update his fact checking if relying on old new...or else be fact checked himself.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Gothmog]

181. I trust Jake Tapper and CNN here

Your source is not accurate

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

230. Think I'll go with Time Magazine's UPDATED report... but, hey, that's just me.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Gothmog]

178. For this thread

Link to tweet

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

185. Maybe the report you're relying on is outdated...Time reported Bernie disclosed his 2014...

tax returns, a SEVEN- page document, so, obviously, that was not just a summary page. Why would Time Magazine lie about this? Right, they wouldn't.


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[Gothmog]

217. Your claims have been fact checked by numerous sources

sanders is lying when he claims to have released his full return. Most returns are more than 2 pages.

[MyNameGoesHere]

226. I'm going to HeLp out here.

Beto is going to release his taxes before Senator Sanders Independent from VT.
In a desperate attempt to make it someone else's fault, the campaign will blame O'Rourke Democrat from TX.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

228. Oh okay... that clears up everything!! Thanks!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[George II]

245. I'm guessing that just about all of our candidates will release their tax returns...

....(Gillibrand and Warren have already done so, both BEFORE they declared) and none of them will take three years to do so.

[George II]

183. Yes, in 2016, AFTER the 2015 due and was filed. This is now 2019, still only 2014. FYI....

...both Elizabeth Warren and Kirsten Gillibrand released double digit returns BEFORE they announced their candidacies (Warren 10, Gillibrand 11). Neither were even candidates yet they did that.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

238. Ohhhh okay, so now it's "only 2014" and let's change the subject...

All I was pointing out was that the claim that Bernie only submitted a "summary page" of his 2014 taxes was not true, as he supplemented that initial submission with the additional pages. Why can't people just be fair to Bernie and admit they were wrong?! Is it really that hard?!


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[progressoid]

295. As well as Beto's taxes?

And the source of his contributions?

[R B Garr]

36. Your concern is hilarious, considering...

And agreed about his taxes.

[lancelyons]

54. Here is a dig...to some degree.. We didnt see the source for the Sanders numbers did we?

[qazplm135]

55. Lol

Why? Just accept that there is no "revolution" coming.

The country isn't filled with secret progressives just waiting for Bernie to come out of the shadows.

It's a hodgepodge of people with widely varying beliefs.

[BannonsLiver]

67. Uh huh

Sounds like your angry he beat Bernie’s first 24 hours haul.

[TexasTowelie]

80. There is an FEC report that Bernie made excuses for not filing

that I would like to see.

[George II]

168. Have we EVER seen "the source and amounts" of Sanders' donations?

He has $134.6M in "un-itemized" donations, 58% of all donations. Other than them being less than $200 each, does anyone know the source and amount of any of them?

Last time around, according to the FEC, one person made more than 500 individual donations for a total of $2900 (average of $5.65), another more than 1100 donations for a total of $5300 (average of $4.47) That's the way to keep the advertised average of "$27", but it's not totally accurate.

Inquiring minds would like to know the details of that $134.6M in un-itemized donations.

[lapucelle]

287. The FEC filings will be released in a few weeks.

On Sunday, we were hearing that Beto hadn't released his fundraising numbers yet because they were low. Today we're hearing, "we more than likely had a lot more individual donations than he did".

Some might argue that it's desperate and irresponsible to put speculative storylines out ahead of the facts. Phony narratives hurt us in the 2016 general election. We can't let it happen again.

[Meowmee]

6. Good for him

I hope he can win. He and Biden are my favs.

[helpisontheway]

7. They are my favorites too. Nt

[Meowmee]

12. 👍🏻Nt

[True Blue American]

11. Biden/ Beto?

Experience and youthful knowledge.

[Meowmee]

13. Yep

A friend and I think that is the ticket prolly

[True Blue American]

15. Seems to be shaping up.

4 years, Biden could retire, give Beto 8 years.

[Meowmee]

198. Yes

That is possible. We will see what happens. I’m already exhausted from it 😹

[Kahuna7]

41. I'm down with that. I always say, I don't vote based on gender or race...

And I won't do it this time. I voted for both Obama and Hillary because I trusted them to do what's right for America and Americans. I trust both Joe and Beto, and believe they have the best chance of defeating trump and his Russian handlers.

[True Blue American]

62. I voted the same

Because, I know from long experience who is on our side and from Reagan on that feeling has grown stronger.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

52. An all white male ticket is a bad idea.

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[Kahuna7]

90. The weight of my vote goes to who I think can win. Got it? nt

[George II]

160. All white male tickets have won 44 of 45 times (not including re-elections)....

....It's not the race or gender that I care about it's policy and ability to run the country that concerns me.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

19. Certainly impressive... wishing Beto the best of luck. May the best Democratic candidate win!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Meowmee]

200. Whoever it is they have

My vote👍🏻

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

204. Mine too... wild, wild horses couldn't drag me away!!!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Meowmee]

206. 😹 nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

47. Can see why you like Joe...don't understand why he hasn't announced already given his popularity.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Laura PourMeADrink]

66. Hearing all this talk about fundraising makes me

think he's lining up donor money.
Guessing he'd want to raise more than Beto and Bernie??? In the first 24 hrs.

[TexasTowelie]

103. If he doesn't announce an exploratory committee or collects donations

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for another 13 days then he doesn't have to file an FEC report until July which means he doesn't have to deal with speculation and attacks about his contributors from the other candidates. He also doesn't have to pay campaign staff. That seems like a good strategy to me.

Biden is almost certainly going to catapult to the lead when he makes the announcement and he already has national name recognition. I don't see any advantage gained by announcing earlier.

[ehrnst]

117. Interesting points. (nt)

[Meowmee]

194. I don't know

I guess he will eventually.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

203. I hope so... Joe no doubt would do well, even though, politically, his views seem a bit outdated.

I do wish him luck though and hope he shows some flexibility in deciding whether to adhere to those views.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[Meowmee]

208. Yes

I hope so, I think he can win.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

213. No doubt he has a great chance to win...I do wonder though, the longer Joe waits to decide to run...

whether that hurts him, or, perhaps, helps him. I'm sure Joe is judging what he considers to be the perfect timing. With his vast political experience, I'll concede he probably knows much better than me!! haha!! I just think he's conceded the limelight to so many other candidates who are now running, that his announcement might not get the attention it otherwise would've gotten had he declared earlier.

But, again, what the hell do I know? One thing I do know... if Joe runs and wins, I would gladly support and vote for him over tRump the pee-resident. But, then again, I'd also vote for Satan over that asshole!! (Satan couldn't be any worse than what we have now!!)


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[Meowmee]

232. I was thinking the same thing

But again I am no expert on the situation either 😹 I would vote for an ax murderer if they can beat the lunatic!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

234. hahaha, yes!! that's funny too!!

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[True Blue American]

9. That is why

Republicans are attacking him so strongly. They are scared to death of him.

Just imagine JFK in the debate with Nixon. Then think of Beto/ Trump.

We already know he sweats under pressure. His nasty remarks would roll right off beto’s back.

With his quick wit he would destroy Trump because all he has is insults and we know Trump is dumb as a Rock!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

20. No question Beto would wipe the floor with the pee-resident...

as would most of the other Democratic candidates.


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[True Blue American]

22. True!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. You made me think...debates...bet trump just

comes up with an excuse to not participate. If he's still around that is.

[itsrobert]

33. And the Sanders campaign.

The Sanders allies are the ones that put out the op eds weeks ago, and renewed them as Beto started to jump into the race. GOP and Sanders campaign are terrified.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

48. It's the other way around... Bernie is The One they all fear... and for good reason.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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[bearsfootball516]

14. 🤑🤑🤑

[madville]

24. I hope he spends it on some advisors

Because he's gonna have to be able to answer policy questions sooner or later.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

51. What's the hold up?

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[Nanjeanne]

25. That's impressive.

[Stellar]

26. That's GREAT!!!

You've got to get that base excited so that they can help him and not depend on the fat cat and pacs to help. He won't have to deal with paying them back, only his constituents.

[AkFemDem]

28. Still undecided about Beto but...

It gives my head a warm little tickle to know he confuses and scares Trump, and he does it with that “aw
Shucks” nice big smile.

[Cha]

29. Yeah, you put that so well!

Why wouldn't it make us feel good after the Hell trump has put our Country and Planet through?

[Lefta Dissenter]

31. So glad I was able to put him over the top 😉

Beto is not my first choice at this point, but I’ve given $10 to each of the candidates I am looking forward to seeing in the debates - just to add to the count.

I’m a political powerhouse!

[Kurt V.]

57. king maker.

[Amimnoch]

59. Did $250 myself.

have also donated $50 to each Senators Harris and Warren, and Mayor Buttigieg.

[SKKY]

35. Damn! That's not nothing.

If the "Big Mo" gets rolling with Beto, it will be hard to stop him. Remember, Obama was less about actual policy, and more about "inspiring". Beto seems to have learned those lessons well. Plus, with $6.1 million, he can avail himself to some of the best policy wonks. He'll figure it out. I'm still with Kamala though. I still think she has the best chance of beating Trump.

[WeekiWater]

37. I kind of like how he did this.

The way he answered originally made all of his detractors look as if they were so excited and winning a dick measuring contest. Seems someone didn't feel the need to brag.

[Awsi Dooger]

110. Beto simply has superior instincts

Someone with poor instincts can only think obvious, can only think here and now. No finesse or calm. A person with poor instincts would have been running to a microphone to blurt out the numbers immediately.

The calm and great instincts are what enabled Beto to maintain the 52-42 favorable rating in Texas, which shouldn't be possible for a Democrat. He realized he couldn't go on attack against Cruz. The attacks on Cruz are already built in. Same with Trump.

Beto actually regretted the one debate moment in which he succumbed and was overly negative against Cruz.

An attack dog type is not what we need. I've seen debate watchers in my living room immediately turn against that type. When I watch the senate hearings I always look for people who are very effective while avoiding attack dog mode. That's what made Amy Klobuchar stand so far above anyone else on our side in the Kavanuagh hearings. Beto would have handled it the same way. Listen then adjust your questioning. Don't jump in there with attack dog agenda and no flexibility.

[True Blue American]

147. I have to admit

I like what I hear but will see how things go down. We could possibly have some one else in the WhiteHouse in 2020.

Nancy Pelosi? Wouldn’t that shake things up for the Party?

[TexasTowelie]

210. And when Beto expressed regret for going negative on Cruz

I saw another DUer mention that he apologized to Cruz. That never happened and it was one of many deceitful posts last week.

[NurseJackie]

38. Congratulations!

[Kahuna7]

39. Hmmm. Well well well.

[RandySF]

42. A new record.

[stonecutter357]

43. K&R

[Mr.Bill]

49. I realize the system is what it is today,

but I long for the day when we don't rank candidates by how much money they have behind them.

[pdsimdars]

50. I'd like to hear who he got it from? Individual donors/big donors, what proportions?

[Gothmog]

68. Here is the answer

Link to tweet

?s=20

[dalton99a]

87. +1

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

274. Yes, would be interesting to see.

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[Gothmog]

56. Yeah

Link to tweet

?s=20

[getagrip_already]

65. well, that negates the media narrative that he can't raise money or support nationally.....

I haven't picked a candidate yet. I have excluded two, but I'm still watching/evaluating the others.

Beto does seem to be on the mark as a candidate. So far at least, I could be happy if he was selected to be on the ticket.

[Dave in VA]

71. You Know What Ladies and Gentlemen,

At the moment, I'm for Joe. If the Virginia Democratic Party primary were to be held today, that is for whom I would cast my vote. BUT...

I will vote in November 2020 for whomever has the (D) following their name on the ballot!

Before the primaries for President even begin, we in Virginia, have to see that the Democrats take control of both houses of the General Assembly in November 2019!

[workinclasszero]

72. Has Beto figured out if he's in favor of Medicare for all yet?

[True Blue American]

74. No, he hasn't!

What he said was that this is a listening tour so he can decide,after he listens to what people want.

I think that is a very good idea, how about you?

[workinclasszero]

92. A listening tour? Really?

U.S. Uninsured Rate Rises to Four-Year High
JANUARY 23, 2019
https://news.gallup.com/poll/246134/uninsured-rate-rises-four-year-high.aspx

Is this info hard to understand?

What part of 7000 dollar or more deductibles does Beto not understand?

Who exactly is Beto listening to on his tour?

[True Blue American]

100. I want

Someone who actually listens to voters.

That does not mean I have decided on anyone. I will not for some time.

Health care is important but a candidate is smrt to listen, too. There are many other things that people care about.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

253. Why not just lead on issues like Bernie does and convince people to follow you?!

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[qazplm135]

78. apparently

a whole lot of people want to give him money anyways.

[workinclasszero]

93. True

I would like to see a breakdown of those donors but that info wasn't released I guess.

[qazplm135]

105. and what do you think it's going to show

exactly? Other than a lot of people giving him money?

[workinclasszero]

107. Who knows? He didn't release that info like every other campaign for some reason

O'Rourke's campaign provided only the topline fundraising number, not more detailed information that other campaigns have disclosed, such as the number of donors and news donors, the size of the average contribution, the geographical diversity of contributors, and how much money he's raised since the first day.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/beto-o-rourke-raises-6-1-million-first-day-topping-n984266

[qazplm135]

108. the only thing it might show

are larger average numbers so he doesn't win the "I've got the most small donors" award that Bernie is always touting. Which doesn't get you a ton.

[workinclasszero]

109. It shows you who has the most grassroots support

And who is depending on large donors

[qazplm135]

113. not really no

but I get that it feeds into preferred narratives.

[Kahuna7]

96. He's in favor of seeing what would work best for everybody. M4A may not be the best solution. nt

[borgesian]

73. Impressive. However, it would be more impressive if he disclosed where the money came from.

"O'Rourke's campaign provided only the topline fundraising number, not more detailed information that other campaigns have disclosed, such as the number of donors and news donors, the size of the average contribution, the geographical diversity of contributors, and how much money he's raised since the first day."

[link:https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/beto-o-rourke-raises-6-1-million-first-day-topping-n984266|

[workinclasszero]

95. Yeah funny that info wasn't released

[Fiendish Thingy]

75. Large or small donors?

Raising that much from bundled corporate/lobby donors is not as impressive as raising millions from small, grassroots, $27 donors.

[vsrazdem]

81. Well he says he doesn't take PAC or corporate money, so I would think it would be

individual donors. More power to him. The more the merrier to get our message out.

[ComradeFunk]

79. The fact there are 'truthers' who don't believe this number is embarrassing.

I voted for Bernie in 2016, but I have to admit his more dedicated supporters treat him like MAGA fanatics treat Trump.

[Peacetrain]

82. Amazing... give the man his due!!!

Congrats to Beto..

[herding cats]

83. It's worth noting Beto did not have a national campaign network already in place.

This from his first day in his grassroots style of raising monies. I admit this was something I had some reservations with his campaign over but he seemed to believe it would still work for him. Apparently he was right and I was wrong.

I also have to say I like how he's not falling for the labels and catch phrase traps. I'm deeply interested in seeing how he fleshes out on policy. I have some strong guesses, having followed him closely since January of 2017, where he's going to land, but time will tell if I'm correct or not. He definitely seems to have an enthusiasm edge at this point and now he has the money to hire some stellar advisers to go with that enthusiasm edge.

I like how he didn't come out and brag when first asked about his first day totals. Instead he downplayed it as not being an issue and let the naysayers draw their own conclusions and dig their own holes.

I think he has as good a shot as anyone in our field at this point. He has good instincts and I suspect a lot of people will be pleased with his ideas nationally when he starts to share them.

Congratulations to Beto on a strong first day total!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

85. Interesting. I know he got a lot of out-of-Texas contributions

in senate race. But, guess the buzz made people seek him out. Just think, if he did win, and had access to all dem lists everywhere. May be first to raise a billion

[herding cats]

91. Apparently there were quite a few people watching him and holding out hope for a big P run.

They got what they were wishing for and seem to be happy at the moment.

I suspect any Democratic candidate up against Trump in 2020 will break fundraising records. Beto has a shot at being that candidate with his outpouring of enthusiasm. Time will tell, but I'm finding all this extremely interesting and exciting.

[Kahuna7]

94. 'Xactly! Also glad that he is eschewing the purity tests and labels....

I hope that Biden will follow suit.

[Cha]

276. Mahalo for the additional

info on Beto, cats.

This is all fascinating to me.. I really like what Lawrence Tribe said about him.

Link to tweet

[herding cats]

283. Oh, that's nice to see, Cha!

I have 3 top tier and one "dream" and a wildcard candidate I've donated to so far. I'm pretty sure my dream one won't come to fruition (Buttigieg) and this isn't a cycle for dreams, but for what it's worth Harris is in my top tier 3. My tier is based on who I think is actually electable. Not polling at this point, nor social media favorites. At this point that stuff is pure fluff to my eyes. All I care about is winning 2020, period the end. Beto was my wildcard, but maybe he's not such a wildcard after all? Time will tell, but I'm not seeing 2020 as in anyway similar to 2016 at this point.

I suspect this is going to be an exciting primary season. The msm and naysayers be damned!

[Cha]

284. Yes, that's ALL

I care about, too.

I chose Kamala when this first started but I'm open to others whom I admire for various reasons.

I'm really glad Beto is in the race.. like Gov Inslee, too

[True Blue American]

296. This is the very reason

I admire Beto. Reporters keep asking what his platform is. He continues to say,” This is a Listening Tour.! People are asking questions, I am listening.”

All candidates should do the same. 2020 is an Election where we move forward or keep sliding backwards as we have been.

It is the most important election of my lifetime. I want a candidate that listens,takes those ideas and impliments them. Voters being ignored gave us a narcisstic, hell bent on destroying person.

We can do better.

[dalton99a]

86. But it's fake news - let's see the cancelled checks and credit card receipts

maybe they're from Kenya

[George II]

195. Bazinga!

[aikoaiko]

88. Good for Beto. Looking forward to seeing what he brings to the national debate.

He does come across as authentic and I think that is what a lot of people are looking for in these early stages of the primary.

[bonniebgood]

89. I'm so glad and Proud that I contributed to his first 6 mil. I also

contributed to Bernie's first day. I have them both on a monthly contribution.
I'm not against any of the other candidates and will not bash any of them. I just picked my first two,
that I feel should lead the pact. Sorry, Joe is the last on my list. only because the Republicans want Joe.
When Joe decided to run, he WILL outraise all of them because republicans will make sure of it. IMO.

[Thekaspervote]

102. Wow!! Very impressive

[Tiggeroshii]

104. This is great

If he and Bernie can keep it up, Democrats will havr already outraised dump before 2020 comes. Looking forward to Biden's numbers when hr announces. Hope it is also formidable.


He could be an Incredible candidatevif he gets the nomination.

[vsrazdem]

116. Just saw on twitter that Beto gave the remaining 4.5 million from his senate campaign

to the Texas Democrats a few months ago, and the party sent the money back to him on the day of his announcement. That is probably why he is not releasing his individual announcement list. Don't know about the verification of this, but its kind of misleading if true.

[TexasTowelie]

121. Interesting.

I wonder how much Our Revolution gave to Bernie? Aren't those contributions also misleading?

Asking for a friend.

[vsrazdem]

126. I don't have a problem with Our Revolution or the Texas Democrats giving their

money to either candidate as I am sure they were all small individual contributions. Where I have the problem is one was for a Presidential campaign and one was for a Senate campaign. I think it is misleading when you get money running for the senate and then it gets turned back to you and you act as though you raised it in the presidential primary campaign, that is what is misleading.

[TexasTowelie]

142. Bernie had about $9M in his Senate campaign fund prior to announcing his presidential campaign

and he was continuously asking for more donations even though his reelection was almost a certainty. Bernie gave $150,000 to the Vermont Democratic party in 2018 (source: https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/bernie-boost-sanders-giving-plenty-of-help-to-vermont-democrats/Content?oid=20697562 ). If any of Bernie's record haul on his first day came from his Senate campaign fund or was returned by the Vermont Democratic party will you express indignation and call it misleading? Have you ever mentioned these concerns to anyone prior to criticizing Beto?

Personally, I'm much more comfortable about what is alleged about the Texas Democratic funds than what Our Revolution has done since the former president of Our Revolution (Nina Turner) stated that their organization is willing to contribute to independents. Republicans and third party candidates. Did Nina mislead donors by specifying that Our Revolution money could be used to support non-Democrats?

Get back to me when you can distinguish who is being misleading.

[True Blue American]

139. Not sure about Bernie

But,” Friend,” I just found out how much Beto had left in 2018. Google is a wonderful thing.

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-politics/2018/12/06/beto-orourkes-bid-ted-cruz-ended-raising-record-80m-sum-sure-stoke-2020-buzz

[TexasTowelie]

143. I saw the FEC report that was filed after the election.

It indicated that he had a negative balance between $250K and $300K. Beto almost made donations to individual candidates prior to the 2018 election.

[True Blue American]

145. Good to know that, too.

I have always found it is wise to listen to the person who lives in the state.

Of course Juania Jean keeps me informed. Next best thing to Molly Ivins.

[George II]

189. Here is what the two candidates gave to their respective state parties:

O'Rourke gave the Texas Democratic Party $4,618,450 (5.3% of his total receipts)

Sanders gave the Vermont Democratic Party $157,500 (2.3% of his total receipts)

Also, O'Rourke ended his Senate campaign with a balance of $286,531.29 (0.3% of his total receipts), Sanders ended his Senate campaign with a balance of $9,094,921.30 (85% of his total receipts)

This is all readily available on FEC.gov

[namahage]

298. And now that it's been shown to be

"Pants on Fire" false, you will of course amend or delete your post?

Oh, who am I kidding?

[Cha]

300. It's not true..

No, the Texas Democratic Party did not give Beto O'Rourke $4.5M

The original tweet was posted by Xavier Perez, whose social media posts suggest he is backing Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary. He said the alleged contribution from the Texas Democrats to O’Rourke was actually money O’Rourke had given the party after his unsuccessful challenge last year against U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz.

The money transferred from O’Rourke’s Senate campaign to the party was not leftover from his race, as suggested by Perez’s tweet. No money was transferred from Beto for Texas to the Texas Democrats after Election Day.

Manny Garcia, executive director of the Texas Democratic Party, laughed when asked about the tweet and said any money transferred to the committee from O’Rourke went immediately into ongoing races across the state.

"That money went straight to our field operations," he said.

https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2019/mar/20/tweets/no-texas-democratic-party-did-not-give-beto-orourk/

https://www.democraticunderground.com/128735245



Beto O'Rourke campaigin:Bernie Sanders supporters fuel misinformation about Texas Democrat's record-breaking fundraising haul

That tweet was posted by Xavier Perez, a member of the Democratic county committee in Bronx, New York and a former volunteer for Mr Sanders’ 2016 presidential campaign.

On Tuesday, Mr O'Rourke's director of communications Chris Evans told The Independent, "Beto's grassroots campaign raised a record-breaking $6,136,763 online from individuals in the first 24 hours after launching. Each and every single dollar of that came online from people, not from PACs, corporations, special interests or in the way described in this completely false tweet."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/beto-o-rourke-campaign-donations-fundraising-bernie-sanders-senate-democrats-a8829996.html

https://twitter.com/xperezny?lang=en

[NastyRiffraff]

118. I'm still undecided but

Beto is on my very short list. The other is Kamala. I'm looking forward to the debates. I know they're not the only or even the most important indicators of the worth of a candidate, but they are (or should be) a showcase of how they handle tough questions. Also, I'd like to hear from the lesser-known candidates. Who knows, I may change my mind!

[Stellar]

119. So I noticed he doesn't really say who those donors are..

Kamala says she raised 1.5 million on 38k small-dollar donors (or $37.00 a piece) in 24hours, and Bernie raised 5.9million and he had 223k small-dollar donors or $27.00 a piece in his first 24 hours. Beto didn't exactly give his amount in the 1st 24 Hrs, he waited a few days.

The rule is to raise money from small-dollar donors to get on the debate stage. Right?

[vsrazdem]

120. That's because supposedly 4.5 mil came from Texas Democrats, the money he had

left over from his senate campaign that he gave them, and they gave back.

[TexasTowelie]

122. I'd like to know how much Our Revolution gave to Bernie?

Are his total contributions also misleading? If we are supposed to believe this unverified rumor about Beto, then it sure seems important to ask the same question about Bernie.

[OilemFirchen]

123. "Supposedly"

[vsrazdem]

125. We will know for sure when he submits his reports.

[namahage]

132. Hopefully he submits them,

instead of constantly asking for extensions to run out the clock:

https://publicintegrity.org/federal-politics/how-bernie-sanders-beat-the-clock-and-avoided-disclosure/

[Stellar]

129. Oh OK, so it wasn't a one day/24 donation. nt.

[ComradeFunk]

133. This has already been debunked.

The hardcore Bernie fans are acting like MAGA fanatics with their conspiracies.

[link:

Link to tweet

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[vsrazdem]

134. Well, that is good to know.

[True Blue American]

141. Once again

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-politics/2018/12/06/beto-orourkes-bid-ted-cruz-ended-raising-record-80m-sum-sure-stoke-2020-buzz

[dalton99a]

162. +1. Such a blatant lie

[OilemFirchen]

231. Lotsa Hillary Haters and Bernie Beloveds on that thread.

Brought to you by the Department of Redundancy Department.

[Kahuna7]

135. Oy!

[True Blue American]

140. Google

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas-politics/2018/12/06/beto-orourkes-bid-ted-cruz-ended-raising-record-80m-sum-sure-stoke-2020-buzz

[Cha]

301. No, the Texas Democratic Party did not give Beto O'Rourke $4.5M

O’Rourke spokesman Chris Evans said the $6.1 million came from individuals (O’Rourke does not accept money from political action committees) and did not include $4.5 million from the state’s Democratic party.

"Each and every single dollar of that came online from people, not from PACs, corporations, special interests or in the way described in this completely false tweet," Evans said in an emailed comment.

O’Rourke told reporters on Wednesday that his haul from the first 24 hours in the race came from 128,000 unique contributions which averaged $48 each.

Fundraising reports from the first quarter of the race are not due to the Federal Election Commission until April 15 and O’Rourke’s campaign has not released a list of donors who contributed during his first day in the race.

https://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2019/mar/20/tweets/no-texas-democratic-party-did-not-give-beto-orourk/

[Gothmog]

302. The Texas party did not give Beto any money

[Stellar]

304. OK, thanks. nt

[Auggie]

127. If he can mobilize millennials and beat Trump, count me in.

[YOHABLO]

154. He's charismatic, young, energetic, but I have to know more. Money raised isn't an issue for me.

I'm hoping that who ever the Democratic Party nominates for candidacy, we can all get behind them and encourage others to get out and VOTE!! Voter turn out is the most important issue.

[Devil Child]

163. Impressive haul by O'Rourke!

More funds in the overall Democratic war chest to end the trump occupation makes me very happy.

[Gothmog]

164. In fundraising email, Sanders calls O'Rourke's first-day haul "bad news"

sanders is trying to fund raise off of these numbers

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

188. Quite a contrast from the reaction from Kamala Harris.

I loved that Kamala was optimistic and positive. I've never seen her behave in a grumpy or sour way... that's one of the things that I like about her.

She's always very professional. From the top of her HAIR right down to the bottom of her SHOES, she's always looking her best and being her best, in both word and deed.

[highplainsdem]

246. That TPM article refers to "the general friendliness" among the contenders. Bernie's first public

reaction to Beto's announcement was already churlish, since he just shrugged when asked about it and said, "It's a free country. Anybody can run."

His campaign was trying hard to raise more money for Bernie the day Beto announced, too.

I'm hoping that Bernie won't cause trouble for the Democratic nominee later (assuming he isn't), but his initial reactions to Beto entering the race aren't encouraging.

[NurseJackie]

170. I like that he's very well groomed...great posture...he always looks sharp (whether formal or casual.)

I like that he's very well groomed…great posture…he always looks sharp (whether formal or casual.)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

191. so do you think he would be a good mate for Biden?

I thought that from the start. Then, I heard he met with Biden and Obama. And, just read that there are rumors they agreed to go as team. (probably started by me...LOL).

I think they'd be perfect *if he doesn't shoot his feet off. He never plans what he's gonna say.

Maybe that's what Biden's waiting for - to see if he can "make it" on his own?

Then there's the immediate "NOOOOO - no two white guys"

[NurseJackie]

205. It's difficult to tell what Biden is thinking.

Beto would be a strong candidate on his own merits and abilities. I honestly think he could take this thing to the finish line all on his own if given a chance. Would Biden be smart enough to choose him if he were lucky enough to get the nomination? It's hard to tell. I think with his energy and youthful good looks, he'd definitely "steal" some of his spotlight just because he such a dynamic and interesting man.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing which DEMOCRAT gets the nomination.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

265. And it will be very exciting seeing this all play out. Everyone is good. It's

hard to keep up with being positive when CNN said Dipshit's approval is rising.

[NurseJackie]

173. I think a lot of people like the fact that Beto has more than one speech. I know...

I think a lot of people like the fact that Beto has more than one speech. I know that it's definitely something about him that I admire. Although everyone has room for growth and improvement, I can easily see that he's a well-rounded candidate... not a repetitive one-trick pony.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

202. There is DEFINITELY a difference between someone who speaks from their heart

vs. canned rhetoric. I, personally, have been yearning for someone who can really make us feel something. Someone who can make you tear up - like Mario Cuomo - Ted Kennedy.

For so long, people have thought we have to hide who we are. And for years, I have wonder why we don't take that route. Make people cry that people are starving and homeless in our country. Evoke some freaking emotion !!! No wonder selfishness is rampant.

[revmclaren]

182. MSNBC just did a story on O'Rourkes huge fundraising totals

and how they are way above Sanders and the other candidates first days fund raising totals.

Very impressive so early.

ONLY!!! 2019 and beyond.

[ucrdem]

254. That man is going places.

What's surprising is how modest he was about it over the weekend, nonchalant even. I got the impression he was asked more than once so he must have some awesome self-control!

[customerserviceguy]

279. I have to say

I am surprised. I figured that anyone running against Ted Cruz could pull in money just to get that asshole out of the Senate, but it seems that people who actually have choices among decent Democratic candidates running for president are willing to toss their money at Beto.

I am surprised.

[Gothmog]

292. $6.1 million day one fundraising haul came from 128,000 contributors and averaged $47 per donation.

Link to tweet

[Gothmog]

293. Sanders supporter spreads false and baseless smear

Link to tweet

[Cha]

299. BS supporter, Xavier Perez.. I did the research.. found him..

Beto O'Rourke campaigin:Bernie Sanders supporters fuel misinformation about Texas Democrat's record-breaking fundraising haul

That tweet was posted by Xavier Perez, a member of the Democratic county committee in Bronx, New York and a former volunteer for Mr Sanders’ 2016 presidential campaign.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/beto-o-rourke-campaign-donations-fundraising-bernie-sanders-senate-democrats-a8829996.html

https://twitter.com/xperezny?lang=en

Gracias, Goth

[democratisphere]

303. What else has Beto accomplished?