Biden's "record player" remark in the debates

[Brainstormy]

s being roundly mocked. The last laugh, however, may belong to the former VP. Vinyl sales are outstripping CDs.
https://loudwire.com/vinyl-records-outsell-cds/

[samnsara]

1. i LOVE Vinyl!!!

..the the newer record players are pretty cool. After Joes comment we are all gonna dig out our old LPs...and some of the covers were great art!!

[Perseus]

8. I have hundreds of vinyls, and I love them all

My wife made a point about having to get up to flip the record to listen to side 'B' and I told her that is part of the fun. Some vinyls were not recorded to CD, it is the only way to enjoy that music now. Yes, there are ways to record from vinyl to digital, but it is not the same.

Who can forget buying the latest Beatles album and reading everything on the cover while listening to it for the first time, looking at the pictures, taking out the poster that came with it, etc. And every time one listened to the album, going through the same ritual of enjoying the pictures, re-reading the text, etc. Doesn't get any better than that.

[Ohiogal]

15. @Perseus

I agree 100%.

I can still remember how a new record wrapped in its clear plastic smelled ....

[pangaia]

24. I can remember the smell of the men's rooms in the old REAL yankee stadium...

I must have 500 or so 'records'. and I mean records, not what 'they' now call 'vinyl.'

from Toscanini to Jefferson Airplane to xylophone rags...

[True Blue American]

34. I have a complete

Woodstock Album. Belonged to one of my Sons.

Still have my record player ,tape deck and radio all in one. I also have stacks of 78’s tapes and VCR’s. Have the player,too. In a spare bedroom so did not get rid of it. Might have to remember how to use it.

[pangaia]

89. HA.. right about actually being able to READ the text !!

need I say more?

[hlthe2b]

2. There are no less than 5 different record players or turntables in Hammacher Schlammer's latest

mailing. Much ado about nothing, but I guess it is expected when some seem to think they can learn everything they need to know about life from twitter. I had to laugh at a group of younger teens/early adults who corrected a friend of mine that "we don't refer to (the smokable, edible natural plant otherwise known as marijuana, pot, cannabis) as other than "weed," that the psychoactive drug MDMA which even a few years ago was referred to as "ecstasy" is now not understood by any other term other than "molly" and on and on with considerable annoyance at the suggestion otherwise ...

Just some examples, but it only underscores how many seem to live very much in the "now" with total disregard for even very recent history and not simply with respect to social aspects. Disquieting to me and will have repercussions I think.

[crazytown]

3. Turntable - nobody says record player anymore.

It's like referring to the car as your automobile.

[hlthe2b]

9. Most own turntables if they play vinyl, but record players are still being made and sold.

The term is still relevant until they are no longer manufactured and sold. Would I have used that term to reflect how one played media to children to reinforce their language skills and aid in learning? No. But it is not accurate to claim the term has disappeared from the lexicon due to absolute irrelevance.

[crazytown]

11. People still say automobile

OK. The term record player is rarely heard.

[Cha]

90. Well Biden said "record player" so it's

cool.

[pangaia]

25. turntable and record player are two totally different things...

[LiberalArkie]

29. Yes... A turntable has to have a preamp and amp and speakers. the record player is just that.

The record player is all one piece.

[pangaia]

31. yes, true,but it is also much more than that

quality of sound reproduction is not even on the same planet...

[LiberalArkie]

38. I also learned not to play analog media on a digital amp and vice versa.

The just do not sound right when you cross the streams.

[pangaia]

43. think ---Marantz Model 5 amp TWO OF THEM..

McIntosh C20 pre-amp, Thorens 160 turntable....

[LiberalArkie]

53. Not bad, but you have to have electro-voice patrician speakers

Hard to beat the 30" woofer. And indeed they did produce sound that could be felt as well as heard.

[pangaia]

63. Yikes.. never knew about those....!

well, I Did forget to list my Klipschorns.. LOL

[LiberalArkie]

65. I had a friend back home that had about what you listed but with the EV's with the 30W woofers

They were fantastic.

25hz- 1000hz on the 30W

A person definately feels the bass in their chest.

https://www.electrovoice.com/binary/30W%20EDS.pdf

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Electro-Voice-Patrician-IV-18WK-828HF-T25A-T35-4Way-System-Pair-worldwide/123022538145?hash=item1ca4b6f5a1:g:KFUAAOSweExaCedy

[pangaia]

68. Woops. That's above my pay grade..

[mahatmakanejeeves]

70. Now that's old school.

What cartridge are you using in the Thorens?

[pangaia]

71. It's an Ortofon something or other.. I forget...

[CottonBear]

78. Oh! I used to have a Thorens turntable. It was awesome!

I was friends with the manager of the local high end HiFi Buys store back in the early 1980s. Had the whole shebang: amp, preamp, Nakamishi dual tape deck, Thorens turntable, high end cables and wiring plus super high end speakers.

Left it all behind in a nasty divorce.

Somewhere, I have a few of my old vinyl LPs and 45s.

[pangaia]

87. That's too bad you had to part with all that great equipment...

I also very clearly remember the first time I ever heard a CD-----

I didn't like it at all.. still don't but have gotten so used to it......

But, I think they have gotten better..



However---

TUBES!!! :&gt ))))

[CottonBear]

88. I heard my first CD at that HiFi Buys!

The Sony sales guy was there for an after store hours demo for the staff and I got an invite. Definitely not as “warm” as heating a record through a great system.

Oh well. Technology moves ever forward. I don’t have room for any of that stuff these days, so digital is the media for me.

[True Blue American]

35. Sorry, I have a record player!

Too old to change. That is what ai told my family!

[crazytown]

41. Am so glad the days are over.

Dust, scratches, stylus wear, feedback, turning the record over every 20 minutes.

[pangaia]

44. It's all about the sound quality

I have maybe 75 pair of timpani sticks, 5 snare drums, 8-9 pair of cymbals, 6 triangles... and I'm retired.. !!

[True Blue American]

48. So am I.

Did not know how old stuff is now wanted.

[pangaia]

51. I still prefer analog by far..

"kids' these days call it vinyl.
We oldsters just laugh.. I wonder of people getting in to vinyl understand WHY? Is it just a thing? OR-- do they really hear the difference...

Problem is, i suspect all these 'vinyl' playback media were recorded digitally. !!!

[Funtatlaguy]

4. I'll admit I cringed a little at that.

But I think Castro actually helped Biden by coming off as mean. Mean may play will with Republicans but not with Democrats.

[hlthe2b]

5. Yes.. Ignoring any debate otherwise, I believe it is Castro's overtly cruel approach that will

be remembered, has offended even those who might have been willing to give him a second look--at least as a possible VP choice, and will sink his career.

[Funtatlaguy]

7. Not wise at all. He just kept saying it too.

The public will decide if Joe has enuf mental decline to disqualify him. No other candidate should

[crazytown]

14. The audience was jeering

and he plowed on. Afterwards he kept digging.

[pangaia]

32. that repitition is what really turned me of

i think he just acted like a spoiled baby and made a total fool of himself, whether he was righjt or wrong...

[crazytown]

6. And talking about weed

Joe says - 'no one should be in jail for non violent crime'. We are way past that conversation.

[thesquanderer]

21. "no one should be in jail for non violent crime" was one of Biden's WORST lines.

Yes, criminal justice reform is a HUGE issue. But don't tell me that Jeffrey Epstein didn't belong in jail. Or Bernie Madoff. Or Jack Abramoff. Or car thieves and arsonists. Or if we're lucky, Donald Trump.

[True Blue American]

36. Could it be

Most people think like Biden? Castro, not so much.

[PatSeg]

10. With all the truly serious issues

we face today, I can't believe that people are focused on something as trivial as record players. This why I tune out often during primary season. Remember how Obama's ‘terrorist fist jab’ cost him the election?

[crazytown]

16. The problem is, cassettes and CDs replaced records in the 80s

[hlthe2b]

18. It has seemingly become a litmus test like in my thread upstream where the use of "Pot" or "Ecstasy"

rather than "weed" and "molly" were met with incredulity and disdain by a group of older teens and younger adults at a recent breakout session from a county commission meeting.

These terms are far from arcane nor irrelevant to the lexicon, but there is a sense right now by that even recent history is irrelevant and can somehow expose those they view as totally out of touch and thus to be ignored.

[crazytown]

19. It's not terminology

By the mid-90s, the so modern Windows 95 era, putting on music for the kids meant getting out a CD or cassette. Records went out as quickly as VHS.

[hlthe2b]

20. Such a trivial thing to pin ones' evaluation of a potential President. Really.

[crazytown]

23. Doesn't change my evolution one jot.

For better or for worse. Biden is my #2.

[pangaia]

26. i am not for or against biden.. but i would say there are many such little things like that..

maybe it is important, maybe not, but it happens...

[hlthe2b]

56. I simply hope those who are trying to disguise (and I'm NOT saying you) their overt ageist bigotry

consider, for one moment the comments, positions, statements, and yes social media postings that are going to come back to bite them in 20, 30, 40 years. Perhaps then will facing their own potential (karmic) consequences make them somehow appreciative of experience, able to acknowledge that beliefs, attitudes, philosophies change over time and yes, people are fully able of absorbing new information and evolving.

Not to mention that aging and its consequences are highly variable within individuals just as intelligence, stamina, the ability and willingness to become informed, and character varies across ALL ages. Of course, by that time-- for a few-- it will be too late. If I were a vengeful person, I'd hope to see that. But in reality, I hope they, themselves, evolve well before that time.

[pangaia]

60. very well said.

I am almost 76-- A dear friend passed away 2 years ago. He was about 5 years older than I at the time. His brain was still working much better than mine does now.. I forget stuff.. etc..
But, I am in better physical shape than, I would bet, 95% of people my age, and my life outlook, experiences, is probably much healthier than those others--

So.. as you say.. everybody is different.....

[Thekaspervote]

33. Isn't it thou!!! Last I read it's easily the number 2 issue on the minds of voters ..SNARKK!!

[Cha]

91. LOL.. Biden said "record Playa"!!!

[PatSeg]

92. You laugh now

but the entire future on the free world could depend on something like that!!!

[True Blue American]

37. They used Molly

On the Young and Restless this week. Whole party was drugged. A girl spiked the punch.

[hlthe2b]

50. Yes. "Molly" was used decades ago too, as was the correct MDMS, as was "Ecstasy"....?

That isn't the point I was making.

[Blue_Adept]

99. And yet records have made a comeback and sell more than CDs right now

So, whatever? If he had said CD player it would have been mocked by saying digital sells more.

[TwilightZone]

66. Agreed.

It's this kind of stuff that makes me bail on this place for extended periods of time. It's utterly ridiculous that people think this is a legitimate issue. It's petty nonsense.

[PatSeg]

93. And we are talking about a man

who served in the White House for eight years in a very hands-on capacity. Joe Biden certainly is more worldly than anyone on this board. He has been more places, met more leaders, and done more things than most people have dreamed of.

I also take frequent breaks from DU, especially the primaries forum.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

81. Looky over there tactic maybe

[PatSeg]

95. The American people

are so easily distracted by trivial crap. Maybe its easier than focusing on the truly terrifying things that are happening under the Trump administration.

[Imperialism Inc.]

12. Not sure why which obsolete technology is outselling the other is relevant.

[NYMinute]

13. Vinyl is analog and thus has a much higher fidelity

When sounds are converted to a digital format like wav or mp3, a fast Fourier transform is done to digitize the track. Depending upon the bit rate, the fidelity is reduced by 40-70%.

Real audiophiles can tell that the music is not of high quality. They have gone back to vinyl in droves.

Record player sales are booming as a result.

[crazytown]

17. And if the vinyl is pressed from digital masters?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

49. I would say close to 99% of modern vinyl releases

come from a digital master.

[crazytown]

55. Indeed.

Digital to analog vinyl is not 'much higher fidelity' than a CD or wav file. There are endless arguments about how much fidelity is lost by sampling down from 256/24, to 44/16, but it is less than the loss inherent in a stylus tracking a grove cut on physical vinyl.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

58. Depending on the studio, the master recording

could be 44.1/24 Wave or 88.2/24 wave or even 192/24 wave (but most engineers find anything about 96k to be overkill).

In my home studio and the commercial studio I work at, we mostly use 44.1/24 if it’s going to digital/streaming or CD and 48/24 if it’s going for broadcast. Unless the client specifies otherwise, of course.

[crazytown]

64. Are you familiar with this OP

https://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html

It is frequently cited, when discussing resolution. I remember it from the time of Neil Youngs PoNo music.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

72. I am. A good article. And the science is pretty sound. nt

[pangaia]

30. BINGO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And analog recording-- IE an old Scully 280-8 deck, etc etc.... vs digital recording....

tube amps---

Klipschorns ----

[True Blue American]

39. If you have old guitar amps

They are worth money. So much better quality sound.

Watched a worker who collected old Guitars and amps face light up when he saw it. Silvertone amp and guitar. Hard to believe.

Collectors items. The old amp has paddles.

[Dr Hobbitstein]

54. Modern guitar amps are worth money, too.

A real 1965 blackface Fender Deluxe Reverb will run you about $2k for one in really good cosmetic condition. Fender’s 65 Deluxe Reverb Reissue runs $1100 new and doesn’t lose but maybe $100-200 on the used market.

In general, any tube amp is gonna be costly/valuable because of the iron in it. Big, beefy power and output transformers are the majority of the cost.

Also, those Silvertones aren’t too valuable. 10 years ago you couldn’t give them away, then everyone found out Jack White was using them and they skyrocketed to over $1,000 for about a year. The market has since leveled out, and $400-600 in good condition is about the going price.

[True Blue American]

57. The collecter

Was an Afghan/ Iraq Vet. Shot twice. Construction job gone during the recession. Really bitter landscaping. His Grandpa finally gave him his Les Paul. Had 69 guitars and Amps.

My Son has a 78 or 79. He might teach you to play the guitar, but do not touch his Fender!

[Dr Hobbitstein]

59. My only vintage piece is a 1932 Martin C-1 archtop.

Most of my other guitars/amps/pedals are either things I’ve built, or things no older than the late 70s (which, while being over 40 years old, is not part of that golden age of guitar gear from the late 50s-late 60s).

[mbusby]

62. Snap, crackle, pop.....

...of course you can buy a digital converter that removes the pops for $1500.00.

https://www.sweetvinyl.com/sc1-mini/

[jcgoldie]

22. This has nothing to do with record players.

And right or wrong I do not think Joe is laughing about the response.

[still_one]

27. No it doesn't. It has to do with reparations, busing, the environment how a child is brought up,

and a whole host of complex issues that need to be discussed, and while some may view this as a simple issue it is far from it, and involves parents rights, children's rights, and societies obligations

[bluescribbler]

28. Yep

New cars and computers no longer have provisions for CDs. In a few years, companies will stop making and selling CDs. The only options will be digital downloads and vinyl. And to think years ago I got rid of my turntable and some 600+ LPs.

[True Blue American]

40. Yes, I was upset about

That when I traded my 2000 Intrigue.

[bluescribbler]

97. Fortunately

My 2014 Prius, which I hope will be the last car I own, does have a CD player.

[True Blue American]

98. My Intrigue was 13 years old

With less than 30,000 miles.

[bluescribbler]

100. DAmn

Why'd you get rid of it?

[pnwmom]

42. The issue isn't record players. It's the way he failed to answer the question about the legacy

of slavery -- with regard to a particular statement he made disavowing responsibility decades ago.

He had an opportunity to explain how he's changed his mind since then, but his response quickly got derailed into a rambling discussion of social workers coming into homes and teaching parents how to parent, and something about radios and record players.

[jcgoldie]

52. "something about radios and record players"

... But don't forget he pulled it right back onto the rails with 'something about Venezuela' after pronouncing that he needed more time to answer the question on the legacy of slavery.

[northoftheborder]

67. yes. he answered the question in a patronizing way, blaming black people for their own deficiencies

rather than answering the question about responsibility. AM Joy had a good discussion about this today, and why the black voters are so overwhelmingly for Biden, rather than Booker or Harris. That is, that Biden's answer makes him more acceptable to white voters who share his viewpoints, (which the minority intrinsically understands), and be more likely to vote for. I'm not sure what Biden's real attitude is; I do like him for his other talents and wide experience. Hopefully he will explain himself more fully soon.

[Docreed2003]

76. +1 this

[Evolve Dammit]

45. I loved Corey Booker's "dagnabbit." Which I think is another way to say God Damn it.

Same impact, but doesn't offend? He had another one too but I can't recall it at the moment.

[yaesu]

46. I know a lot of millennials who are into record players

one even talked me out of a few Beatles apple label 45's

[Dr Hobbitstein]

47. Well, CDs are a thing of the past now.

Vinyl is seeing a slight resurgence, while CD sales have been steadily slumping over the past 10 years.

Digital outsells it all. By a WIDE margin.

[Fiendish Thingy]

61. The record player comment is a distraction from his incoherent, tone deaf, paternalistic

Non-response to the question about schools, race and reparations.

[Raven123]

69. Choice of words is important.

Never-mind the opining about age, cognition, etc. Words contribute to, detract from or distract from the point one is trying to communicate. If you chose a word or phrase that causes listeners to stop and ponder independent of their context, you lose the listener.

[OhZone]

73. My uncle just picked up a new Record Player -

A USB turntable he said that he could convert his old vinyl to wavs. I told him he could use audacity to convert them to mp3s.

He has a ton he inherited from his Dad - and bought on his own, I guess.

Oh, he also said it cost 20$ from LIDL.

Gotta love a close-out. I know I do!

[DrFunkenstein]

74. I Got Two Turntables and a Microphone

Where it's at?

[wellst0nev0ter]

75. The number of responses, the OP included

that makes light of the way Biden completely failed to address the legacy of slavery in this country is very sad. Will more record players reduce the wealth gap and the structural racial barriers?

[pnwmom]

84. Apparently he thinks so. If you play enough radio and record players to your kids

it will help make up for millions of conversations you're not having with them which are all because of slavery, or something. . . .he seems to think.

[wellst0nev0ter]

85. Biden is citing an old, unreplicated study

that looked at a total of 10(??!!) low-income black families, and compared them with similar numbers of high-income families. A later study did NOT find a correlation between the number of words spoken and social class, meaning that the current wealth disparity is (GASP!) the product of historic wealth disparities and transfers.

Of course, Biden remembers the study because he desperately needs to find alibi to disguise the effects of slavery and racism.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2018/06/the-long-contentious-history-of-the-word-gap-study/562850/

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018/06/01/615188051/lets-stop-talking-about-the-30-million-word-gap

[TwilightZone]

96. The OP is about the record player comment, nothing more.

You're seeing something that isn't there.

[3catwoman3]

77. Oh, good grief. My 97 year old mom has always...

...called her refrigerator “the icebox.”

[Polly Hennessey]

79. Good grief, who cares.

I tell my young dog walker to call me with the time and date to walk Scout. First time I did it she gave me a quizzical look. My response: you don’t call you text. We laughed. It didn’t/doesn’t make me ancient, senile, or incapable of making decisions and living life to the fullest. It makes me of another generation (horrors). Some people thrive on stupid pettiness. Joe Biden is doing just fine and I am hopeful he will be our next President.

[IADEMO2004]

82. I bought a new RECORD PLAYER last year and I love it.

The cool kids can take their nasty tiny small file mp3s and walkman away.

Ordered a special head and cartridge too so I can listen to my grandma's 78s. Flipping an LP I dream I'll turn around and see if the joint has made it's way to my side of the room.

[pamdb]

83. Vinyl

Hey, we have CD's but my husband has been buying Vinyl for a few years now. And they're not
cheap.

[tirebiter]

86. I can relate to records.

Not so much dollies. Just sayin’

[peggysue2]

94. Maybe the mockers should check themselves because . . .

not everyone agrees that the 'record player' remark was so-o-o off the mark:

Link to tweet

Yeah, just sayin!

[brush]

101. Vinyl most likely played on turntables though, not record players.