MSNBC's Joy Reid is getting desperate, pushing for Joe to leave race. She's getting lots of backlash

[Skya Rhen]

Joy has her favorite candidate so she is making a last ditch effort. The thing is, this latest move is backfiring on her. When will they ever learn?

The twitter comments say it all...

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[trueblue2007]

1. i turn off MSNBC when Joy and Steve KORNACKI COME ON

[hlthe2b]

2. I read "three pages" of comments on her twitter feed--She's getting scorched.

[Cha]

47. Here's one.. so far the replies are dead on!

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She's only getting people to stand up for Biden.. way to go, Joy!

Thanks for the reminder about replies!

[hlthe2b]

59. Pretty darned spot-on.

Good!

[Clash City Rocker]

71. "I'm seriously pissed off that Democrats are eating their own. Now let me attack some Democrats."

[cilla4progress]

3. I LOOOOVE Joy, but, I agree,

she is using social media to push a campaign for Biden to drop out.

Maybe that's a good thing.

Yes, I believe she favors Warren.

[Skya Rhen]

8. Yeah, it's a good thing because this desperate move is causing people to coalesce around Joe. BTW

Kamala is her favorite. Everyone who loooooves Joy, should know this fact.

[EffieBlack]

25. Nobody's "coalescing around Joe" because of anything Joy Reid says

at least not anyone who isn't already coalesced around him.

[Cha]

48. Joy's bashing Biden sure is making a lot of people stand up for him..

Link to tweet

[Hortensis]

58. Noticed Reid's only one among many pushing this theme at once.

It's no doubt both orchestrated for professionals like Reid to hit and spread by others who recognize their cues without being told.

As I commented on another thread, I very, very strongly suspect spreading these anti-Democrat themes is a job requirement for anyone who wants a daytime cable show, and those who want to appear on them.

[wiley]

80. Great post. Thanks

Joy also has a serious problem with having guests other than black women that she believes also love Kamala, Cory or Warren. Add Chcuk Todd to your list BTW.

[Big Blue Marble]

9. Actually, I think it is Harris she wants most,

then Warren or Bernie. in watching her, it seems she viscerally against Biden.

[treestar]

87. Definitely; I saw her one night

and it was clear she wanted Harris and was really upset that Biden is polling better.

[FloridaBlues]

41. Believe she favors Harris by other comments on her show

[cilla4progress]

46. She had a wonderful segment with

Frank Schaffer and John Fugeisang about Falwell Jr

[redstateblues]

72. You love her homophobia?

[emmaverybo]

76. If she believes in Warren, you would think she'd believe Warren can earn the support needed to

surpass Biden’s, not need Biden to drop out in order to better her chances. Same for any other candidate she might prefer.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Joy lost me awhile ago.

Not so much because of her bias - these shows are essentially the equivalent of newspaper op-eds and I expect the expression of opinions one way or another - but because she often seems to be sloppy with facts. You can have whatever opinion you want but you can't have your own facts.

[cwydro]

64. She lost me when she lied and said her account had been hacked.

Never owned up to her anti-gay comments. I would have respected her if she had simply said she had changed and was sorry for the comments.

But she didn’t.

[Quixote1818]

5. Wow, I haven't been supporting Biden but this makes me want to.

[Garrett78]

6. Reid isn't calling for Biden to leave the race. She interviewed someone...

...who thinks Biden gave an answer in the debate that is essentially disqualifying. I agree with her guest. His answer was horrific.

[Skya Rhen]

10. She is pushing this narrative by making this a centerpiece of her show. Everyone knows what she is

trying to accomplish and it is backfiring, big time.

[EffieBlack]

12. Right back atcha ...

[Garrett78]

19. Biden's response is newsworthy and Reid is hardly the only one who thinks so.

Tim Wise, among others, also thinks it's newsworthy.

Therefore, one segment of Reid's show was about this issue.

I think you want desperately to underestimate how atrocious Biden's statement was.

[wiley]

81. Good. Keep calling her out on her crap

This is truly unprofessional, manipulative, and fuct. I don't like lying homophobes either. And I now support Biden - because of Castro and Booker.

[EffieBlack]

11. IKR?

Today's marching orders must have been to drag Joy Reid. First Trump goes after her this morning and now, like clockwork, comes the factless follow-up ...

[Garrett78]

20. Sure, Biden made a racist and ignorant comment, as he has numerous times before. But...

...let's take the heat off of him by vilifying Joy Reid for helping bring attention to what he said and how awful it is.

Talk about scorching, folks should read what Tim Wise has been tweeting about Biden.

[still_one]

30. The question was not a simple answer for a debate format, and Biden tried to answer

it including what it entails, and I suspect many failed to grasp what he was trying to say, or even grasp the complexities of the question.

This conversation does not just apply to one demographic either, it applies to all, and to suggest that environment and home life does not mold someone growing up, I believe ignores much

The answer is not so easy though, because it infringes on the rights of parents to raise their children as they see fit

For example, a child brought up in a family which advocates the views of racism and bigotry, how will that child turn out?

It is not that far different than those who say, no one can tell me whether my kid can be vaccinated or not. While it can be argued legitimately, that this represents a public health hazard that affects the well-being of everyone, the environment a child is brought up in will also have an impact on society.

"No one tells me how I am going to raise my child"

At what point, if ever, should society intervene?

That is easy to determine if the child is provided with drugs or other concrete things that endanger that child, but that can't be done in cases with parents who don't involve themselves in what their children are doing, because it infringes on our freedoms.

That is why things like the school lunch programs, big brothers, head start, etc. are so important to try to address those deficiencies.

This is not the first time this issue has been brought up. This discussion has been going on for some time.

It is related to the reparations

It is related to the busing issue. To try to move students into a better environment where they can be in a better learning environment.

This is not simply a binary issue, it is far more complex, and involves individual rights, parents rights, and societies responsibilities, and I would argue those who want to simplify it to absolutisms, that if you go one way you are a racist, and if you go another way you are not, I believe are ignoring the compmlexities of the entire issue

[Garrett78]

35. He was quoted as saying we bear no responsibility for the sins of the past and was then asked...

...how we repair the legacy of slavery. His response was to suggest that Black parents don't know how to parent.

There's no sugarcoating this. It was a horrible, horrible response.

[still_one]

38. Obviously you choose to ignore what I wrote, or all that question entails

I question that people really want to have an honest discussion on this

It isn’t a simple answer, and I would challenge all the candidates to answer that question with a simple answer

[Garrett78]

43. There are many ways to address the legacy of slavery question.

Suggesting that Black parents don't know how to parent is not the way to answer that question, unless you're a Republican. But that's precisely how Biden chose to answer the question.

We're talking about systemic racism, which continues to influence every aspect of American life. We're talking about the very foundation of this nation. But, hey, the problem is Black parents don't expose their children to enough spoken words. Jesus H Christ.

[cilla4progress]

44. Me too.

It was Anand Ghiraridas.

[Garrett78]

45. Biden was quoted as saying we bear no responsibility for the sins of the past and was then asked...

...how to repair the legacy of slavery. Essentially, how do we address institutional and structural racism that permeates American society.

And his response is to suggest Black parents need to be taught the importance of exposing their children to more spoken words.

I swear, there are Republicans who could give a better and less offensive answer.

[Hortensis]

61. Every election the Democratic frontrunner is found

so unworthy for some reason that hostiles in the media demand he or she withdraw, spread wide by those eager to take the hand-off.

You can make all the excuses and rationalizations you want, and even believe it's right for you to call for the candidate who's been far out ahead since before he even announced to withdraw entirely.

But Biden's the frontrunner this time and the demands to take him out that you are part of are as predictable as wildfire in summer, as is race as the weapon of choice. Our own RW agents and Putin's never stopped stoking racial divisions to defeat us, and are just revving up the output.

February 3 is only 142 days away. And THAT is why right on schedule after the third debate we're seeing this coordinated attack on our current frontrunner. Using whatever material can be mined from it. If this wasn't used, something else would. Probably also chosen race related, but quickly advancing senility is possible.

[Garrett78]

62. Putin and Trump surrogates are prepared to use Biden's racist comments...

...to suppress Democratic turnout. Jamil Smith is right that we need someone versed in anti-racism to take on Trump. Not merely a non-racist and certainly not someone who has a history of making racist comments, even if they are borne out of ignorance and not hate.

Biden wasn't a good presidential candidate in 1988. Or in 2008. Or now.

[Hortensis]

63. I didn't mean to pull the bad string, Garrett.

I'm actually as sure as I can be that inside somewhere you know Biden's a good guy and demanding he pull out is rushing to trouble, not to what is right.

I'm hoping for, even if delayed (perhaps to the middle of the night?), some reaction that resents being used by Russia and people like McConnell to defeat yourself and turn the U.S. into a broken democracy, ruled by right wing autocracy. I don't know if you have children who might generate a little reasonable fear, but we now know it really can happen here. And like all bad things it'll happen worst to minorities. This isn't some stupid ball game we get to scream and yell at and then just go home from.

[Garrett78]

66. I haven't called for him to drop out, but I don't buy the premise of a certain narrative.

People have convinced themselves that only Biden can win, based largely on a false narrative about what happened in 2016 and why.

Some honestly seem to think the key to winning is flipping Trump voters in PA, MI and WI. As opposed to boosting turnout among our base. Hundreds of thousands who showed up for Obama didn't show up for Clinton in key battleground states (it isn't that they voted for Trump; it's that they didn't vote at all or voted 3rd party). But people think flipping Trump voters is the key (and that nominating an old white male will do the trick). It's madness. This will be a base election. We need to boost turnout among POC, youth and white suburban women. That's what wins us the White House.

By the way, Jamelle Bouie wrote a good piece about the Obama-Trump voter that I've posted several times before: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/why-did-some-white-obama-voters-for-trump.html

People can't seem to grasp that A) some racists voted for Obama (like the racists who are married to a person of color and, therefore, can't be racist) following 8 years of Bush-Cheney and B) some of those Obama voters had become completely blinded by racism after 8 years of racist attacks on Obama (and are never coming back). Instead, they insist that a key to winning in 2020 is winning back a fraction of a fraction of voters who happened to vote for both Obama and Trump (due to *white* economic anxiety, 'cause - you know - POC don't experience economic anxiety--yeah, that's sarcasm). And, therefore, we need to nominate an old white man to defeat an old white man. Again, it's madness.

Jamil Smith of Rolling Stone is exactly right that non-racism isn't enough. We need someone well-versed in anti-racism. That ain't Biden. And Biden has made comments that suggest he's not even versed in non-racism.

[Hortensis]

68. You may notice I'm "undecided." The frontrunner at the end is the

only one that counts, and there's still a lot of campaigning to go. However, people who know we must win this election simply don't try to take out the currently most redoubtable candidate -- at any time.

As for the reality that racist attitudes are pervasive among every racial group in every nation on the planet, including the Democratic Party, and are always exacerbated in anxious times, is this supposed to be new? Or suddenly such a compelling problem in our party that we must turn our backs on the Republicans to stomp it out -- right now, starting with our currently strongest candidate?

No one should ever turn their backs on these Republicans. I wasn't being frivolous in pointing out that everything that happened after the far right took control, and we couldn't get it back, would happen worst to minorities. These people are mean and their racism isn't the ingrained "white liberal" thoughtlessness type, it's aggressively vicious.

The Repubs can't win free elections any more, so at most they'd put on phony ones, which they are already doing where they can. And with that minorities would lose the power of the vote that all rights and protections depend on. AAs above all know that'd be true, of course, but maybe past time to consider just how bad it could become.

[emmaverybo]

77. This. This. This. Scary. This.

[wiley]

90. Drama!

Like,which one? Go ask one.

[Cha]

49. Whatever it is it's Backfiring.

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[Garrett78]

55. LOL at Jayne's hypocrisy.

The man was asked how to repair the legacy of slavery. He could have answered that any number of ways, but he chose to suggest that Black parents need to be taught how to parent. It's not surprising that people are outraged. It's disappointing that there aren't more people who are outraged--and, instead, they're outraged that Joy Reid had on a guest who is outraged.

[Cha]

57. It's Backfiring.

[JaneQPublic]

67. Anand Giridharadas was her guest...

...who called Biden's answer to be disqualifying.

I watched her entire show in real time, and found her to simply be moderating a lively discussion, not making a full-throated attack against Biden the way people are characterizing her.

[Garrett78]

69. And those characterizing it that way know that. They know their characterization is bullshit.

[JaneQPublic]

70. Yep.

And they are ignoring the fact that Joe's answer was indeed wretched.

Seriously, his plan for addressing a culture of racism is to send social workers to the homes of black families to teach them how to raise their kids?!?

Willful acceptance and defense of a leader's faults is what GOPers do with Trump.

And blaming Joy won't make Joe a better candidate.

[wiley]

88. Granted. He is a racist asshole on the Dinesh Joseph D'Souza level

But she should have known better. This is not the first time she has done something this fuct.

[treestar]

86. But there is no doubt that is what she wants

Interviewing someone else to say it gets it out there.

Interesting people think the only way to beat Biden is for him to drop out. If he gets the most votes, too bad. The other candidates need to get more votes, not hope someone beating them drops out so they can win. It's silly anyway.

[democratisphere]

7. Can't stand Joy Reid as she has become a huge Joe Biden underminer and

detractor. She is beyond disgusting and disgraceful.

[OKNancy]

13. I'm one of the ones in that thread doing the "scorching"

LOL

[Kahuna7]

29. Me too. nt

[OhZone]

32. Me three!

[Green Line]

37. Me too

[FloridaBlues]

42. Me too

[Cha]

50. Good for you.. I haven't gotten there Yet!

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[BlueMississippi]

14. I just wrote to MSNBC to drop Joy Reid

She is a disgrace and should work for a smaller outfit like TYT. Her views belong there.

[Skya Rhen]

16. Lots of people are calling for a boycott. Big fail for Joy.

[BlueMississippi]

17. She is MSNBC's version of Sean Hannity nt

[democratisphere]

22. I agree.

Perfect comparison.

[still_one]

84. no she isn't, and I am NOT a fan of Joy Reid either.

[wiley]

89. Agreed

But maybe her entire personality and integrity were also hacked. Or the same demon that possessed Castro in some santeria invasion type thingy.

[JI7]

23. why ? most of msnbc is against Biden and it hasn't hurt him at all

[redstateblues]

73. What is the address of MSNBC. I want them to drop her. She has zero credibility

[BlueMississippi]

78. Here

Sam Go <[e-mail]>
MSNBC Admin <[e-mail]>

[WA-03 Democrat]

15. I like Joy but Love Joe!

Sorry Joy...next let’s beat the Republicans!
GOTV

[Drunken Irishman]

18. Anti-gang Joy Reid? That Joy?

Yeah I'm not too keen on her opinion.

[Miles Archer]

21. Here's how this works.

It's her show, she's free to do what she wants.

The audience demographic of the show is another matter.

I don't watch her show. I'm down to Maddow, O'Donnell, and Williams, Monday through Friday, and she does occasionally guest host shows in that block.

I didn't see the segment that set off the fireworks. Don't really need or want to.

If she is advocating a "get out Joe" agenda, either through her own words or by giving her guests a forum to do so, she's putting herself on the wrong side of that audience demographic.

And that's her choice. She's an adult, and I'm not going to attack her for it, nor will I defend her if there's blowback...and it looks like there is.

I don't base my actions on the opinions of others. When it comes to Joe Biiden, I make my decisions based on Joe Biden. Not Joy Reid.

[dem4decades]

24. That's funny, I find myself just watching Ari now.

[OKNancy]

26. I feel bad too because on the same morning Trump calls her out

she does this. I would be so sympathetic to her because of the Trump b.s. Then she does this. What do you bet a bunch of new people were watching because of Trump. Then they see this Adnan character call Joe a racist. FWIW that guy has been a Joe hater all along. He was just waiting for something.

[Kahuna7]

27. Not content with twitter, she posted the same thing on facebook and...

is getting dragged there too.

[Cha]

52. I so appreciate Reid is getting called out..

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[TDale313]

28. Joy lost me a long time ago. n/t

[still_one]

31. After Joy's gay bigotry, in my view, she has little credibility

[OhZone]

33. Exactly

[Thekaspervote]

34. Good! I hope it blows up in her face... we've seen this b4 with her. No apologies, just excuses

[peggysue2]

36. Joy Reid can push that line all she wants

Ain't going to happen.

[Cha]

53. Nope. Hope she's enjoying the backlash.

Link to tweet

[evertonfc]

39. joy reid..lol

Is there anyone less relevant. I'm now more likely to support Joe.

[FloridaBlues]

40. Why would she promote this type of divide we have enough of it daily with trump and company

Stopped watching whenever she comes on months ago.

[Chemisse]

51. Whether or not they support him, people love Joe Biden.

She may be learning that you attack him or be mean to him at your peril.

[Cha]

54. Solid point, Chemisse.. she may be learning this the hard way..

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[Kurt V.]

56. Who's her candidate?

[obnoxiousdrunk]

60. Kamala Harris

[nolabear]

65. She posted a "question" on FB asking if he should drop out. She got an earful!

This is not a smart tactic on her part.

[Cha]

74. Good to know.. Thanks, Nola!

[EffieBlack]

75. SOMEBODY's definitely getting desperate. But it's not Joy Reid ...

[jcgoldie]

79. +1

good grief.

[Cha]

83. Well it's not Skya, either, then.. Reid is the

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one promoting Biden to drop out on FB and her show.

Skya is giving her opinion about that.

[onetexan]

82. After all that came out about her kerfuffle with anti-LGBTQ+

Comments, i was sympathetic given she apologized. I dont watch her show, but considering she is not delivering news but peddling hwe political views, she has now lost me completely.

[NCLefty]

85. Psh. She's been shilling for Kamala for weeks.

But Joy lost me back when she tried to act like her past homophobic comments were from a hacker. She really tried to weasel out of that one.

[Gothmog]

91. I turned AMJOY off during that sagment

AMJOY has attacked Joe before and lost viewers

[Gothmog]

92. AMJOY was down on Joe Biden back in May and she lost viewers due to it

Today Joe gave a truly great speech and two of AMJOY's panelists were mad that Joe gave such a good speech. Here is all of Joe's speech today

Tiffany Cross and some guy name Jason were mad at Joe in effect because he gave such a good speech.

I will start boycotting AMJOY and will mute the TV when Cross or this Jason guy are on.