Joy Reid is getting dragged on twitter and facebook for promoting that Biden should drop out..

[Kahuna7]

Last edited Sat Sep 14, 2019, 08:10 PM - Edit history (1)

There! I fixed it for you. She's not saying it. She's just promoting it.

Link to tweet

https://www.facebook.com/amjoyshow/posts/2966480896756917

[Skya Rhen]

1. Lots of people are calling for a boycott of her show. This is not what she expected, I'm sure.

[Hortensis]

54. This MAY be a requirement of being given a show at all.

MSNBC is a political player, and many of the low-budget/low-power daytime anchors especially are required to push the approved themes. Same for talking heads who want to be invited more than once. Biden's this election's leader, so he gets the Hillary treatment.

Wouldn't excuse her if this was part of what was happening. I removed her from my auto record and turn off any show she's subbing on.

[hedda_foil]

76. It's also NOT what she said.

[Cha]

137. Reid didn't need to "say" it.. she's promoting

it on FB and her show.

Reid's FB..

"Our guest author Anand Giridharadas is not the only person who thinks Biden should drop out of the 2020 race after his debate comments. What do you think, #reiders? Watch and weigh in:"

LOl@first reply..

Robert Miller Biden drop out??? I thought it was a typo, and the title meant to say Castro! Castro was wrong about everything regarding his exchange with Biden. Biden knew exactly what he had said. If anyone should go, it should be Castro!

Bridget Davis Enough with the bashing of candidates. Joy everyone knows you aren't for Biden and try at every opportunity to hurt his campaign. I will vote for who ever the nominee is whether it be Biden or someone else.

https://www.facebook.com/joyreidofficial/posts/2306261106153165

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=280234

Reid doesn't have to say it directly "Biden drop out".. she's promoting it.

[Perseus]

85. What will boycotting her show accomplish?

That people like Joy will have to pander to viewers to avoid having her show boycotted? That is what happens to Fox News, if they change their tune people will stop watching, they will loose their viewership, who does it help to be constantly hearing praising the person you support? Are you going to find the truth about that person?

I know I am going to get a lot of negative responses from what I am going to write next, but I have seen .fanatism from Biden's supporters that I don't see anywhere else, same with Pelosi, god forbid someone says something not complementary to either and some people on DU will go after who ever wrote it very hard.

We are either Democrats, Liberals who are open to other people's opinions, analyze them, verify them to find out if they are true or we end up like republicans who shut their ears, their eyes and will not accept anything negative about the creature or any of the republican crooks, that is how fanatics act.

I have read so many entries in DU that start by asking not to be vilified, crucified because they are about to say something he/she knows Biden or Pelosi sympathizers won't like. We need to stop this, we are all entitled to our opinions.

[samnsara]

2. oh i wish she woudnt do that...

[VarryOn]

3. Bet she was hacked again nt

[LuvNewcastle]

75. Poor thing

[Tipperary]

110. Ha! Well done!

So many here did not give a damn when she lied about her anti-LGBTQ remarks. Now that she is dissing Biden, oh now they no longer like her. Smh

[madaboutharry]

4. Joy has some kind of axe to grind with Biden.

I don't understand what it is, but it is clear that she has never liked him and was anti-Biden from day one and before he said a single word.

[cannabis_flower]

65. Maybe it was...

his record in the Senate.

[Perseus]

91. That is not true, she was for him after debate #1

She was part of a panel who discussed the debate after it happened, and she was all praise for Biden that evening. Maybe she has learned more about him, maybe she has seen more of him that has put her off. It has happened to a lot of people.

We need to be open minded, if we can't do that then we are in big trouble, we have to listen to everyone and accept their opinions, that will most probably not change what we think about our candidate but to vilify them and turn them off will not help anyone.

Do we actually want MSNBC to be like Fox News where only praise to republicans happen? Where they go to extremes to defend what cannot not be defended? This is not how Democrats/Liberal are, we are open minded.

I may not agree with her opinion, but I will listen to her and find out if there is any validity on what she said. When I vote for the candidate I like I want to make sure I have turned every stone and that I am very clear of his/her good and bad attributes, but putting plugs inside my ears will not allow me to do that. Just because she doesn't support my candidate doesn't mean that the rest of what she does is not good for Democracy.

[madaboutharry]

106. Her comments and demeanor

are different when she is on her own program from when she is on a news special like a post-debate panel. I have observed this. I have heard her on more than one occasion be unfairly critical of Biden. She could have also been positive about something he said during a debate, the two are not mutually exclusive.

[oasis]

5. Joy sure as hell better clarify or walk it back, bigtime.

[Thekaspervote]

21. She has made it clear she s not a Biden fan. I've stopped watching, not just because of that but

Other things as well- making racist unfair statements and then claiming her account was hacked!! Good bye Joy, don’t let the door hit you on the way out

[True Blue American]

31. Quit watching Joy some time ago.

Others I know have,too!

[oasis]

43. I was a huge fan until about two months ago when I put her

on probation for some crazy shit she said. And now....

I'm completely done with her.

[ritapria]

6. Calls are growing for Biden to Drop Out ?

Who else but this one man from Rolling Stone is calling for Joe Biden to drop out ?

[OilemFirchen]

93. That was the headline on the MSNBC video when this OP was written and until very recently.

Curiously, it's now "Biden's controversial debate response on legacy of slavery".

Wonder why?

[Green Line]

7. What calls?

The jerk she had on this morning? I’m done with her.

[iamateacher]

8. I watched this morning

Very anti-Biden. I turned the television off. I used to like her, but I will protest by not watching. She violated the DU rule by trashing a candidate unfairly.

[FloridaBlues]

40. Turned off watching her several months ago when she made it clear her dislike

Of Biden on her show and tweeter account.

[George II]

9. I watch her show every week, both hours from start to finish. BUT, I turned her off....

....a couple of months ago when she opened her show every Saturday and Sunday morning with bashing Democrats and Pelosi for not impeaching trump. A few weeks later she got off that kick and I went back to watching.

This morning when she opened with that Anand guy, essentially calling Biden a racist and almost poo-pooing Castro for what he did, I turned her off (about ten minutes into her show) and never went back.

I'll try one more time tomorrow, but if she's going to do this again she'll probably lose me for good.

[Kahuna7]

11. She was appointment TV for me until that time she dragged

poor Ro Khanna regarding impeachment. It was brutal. I had already tired of her anti-Biden nonsense. But her treatment of Khanna (who I don't even like) turned me off for good.

[George II]

28. Was that today? I know in her introduction she said she was going to do TWO segments...

...on impeachment. I didn't last long enough, though.

[True Blue American]

33. I turned Joy off

When she insisted on interviewing Kamala while Warren was speaking. You could see Warren in the background.

Sharpton cut his interviews short and went to the candidate speaking.

I hope they fire her.

[Perseus]

96. A lot of Democrats have been very frustrated about Pelosi's stand on impeachment

A lot of Democrats are, and ALL of them, Ali, Ari, Rachel, Nicole, etc have expressed their frustration. A lot of Democrats on the street are very frustrated as well. I don't get this thing against Joy because she is frustrated about the same thing.

Can someone in DU say there hasn't been enough visual, and written proof to impeach the creature? If you can't then the second question is, are you not frustrated the creature is still in power? that no impeachment efforts were made until now?

[brush]

130. You turned off too quick. She pushed back against the guest. He's the one who called for Biden...

to step down not her. Get the facts. Don't follow the crowd. This whole thread is circulating a lie that isn't true. She didn't call for Biden to step down.

[True Blue American]

139. I gave my reasons for turning Joy off

Some time ago. I did not turn her off, never had her on. I was watching my Ken Burns special. Watched it twice now. Will record the new one tonight.

[brush]

144. Sorry, I responded to the wrong poster.

[Garrett78]

10. As I wrote in another thread, Reid hasn't called for him to drop out.

She had on a guest who thinks what Biden said was horrible, and her guest is correct. As he said, the Trump campaign will neutralize the charges of racism by pointing to Biden's subtler form of racism, which will suppress Dem turnout.

Whatever you do, don't read Tim Wise's tweets about Biden.

[Kahuna7]

12. That's your opinion. It's like saying, I'm not saying you should...but

many people are saying.... Give me a break. I don't know who Tim Wise is and don't care to know.

[Garrett78]

14. No, it's a fact. Show me where she called for Biden to drop out.

By the way, Tim Wise is one of the most prominent anti-racists in the nation.

[Kahuna7]

16. You didn't hear me the first time? ...

[Garrett78]

22. I heard you but what you said is bogus.

She had 1 segment of her show dedicated to interviewing 1 of the many people who thinks what Biden recently said (and has said in the past) was horrific. To say that Reid is calling for Biden to drop out is a falsehood. If you want to suggest that she implied as much, then so be it, but you're wrong.

[Kahuna7]

36. She shouldn't have people on HER show advocating that and then..

not only promote that position via tweet but on facebook too. She obviously agrees or she wouldn't be promoting it so hard.

[True Blue American]

48. Wonder if Joy contradicted Wise?

Obama and Biden are close friends. That does not happen often in the WhiteHouse!

I would like Obama’s opinion of Joe. That I would believe.

[redstateblues]

112. Oh please. She has been bashing Biden since he announced.

Her homophobic comments, then lying about them disqualify her as a believable talking head.

[EffieBlack]

18. If you don't know who Tim Wise is, you might want to find out

especially if you:re going to weigh in on the appropriateness of what Biden said.

In short, Wise is one of the most knowledgeable, insightful and respected anti-racism activists in the country. Ignorance about him is nothing to be proud of and your refusal to learn anything about him is definitely not something to brag about.

[Kahuna7]

20. Spare me. I've spent 65 years on earth not knowing or caring

who Tim Wise is. Do not lecture me on who I should and shouldn't know. You do you. I will continue to do me.

[EffieBlack]

23. I'm not shaming you. You're shaming yourself by proudly touting ignorance

[Kahuna7]

27. So now you're calling me ignorant because I don't know who Tim Wise is???

That is a really foolish conclusion. You may need Tim Wise to educate you about racism. I don't. I'm a 65 year old black woman from Newark, NJ and I've lived it my whole life. Now stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours.

[Garrett78]

92. No, Effie is very clearly stating that you're ignorant of who Tim Wise is.

But you're trying to spin it like Effie is suggesting that you're ignorant in general. That's bullshit and you know it.

And some of us find that ignorance surprising given we're on Democratic Underground and how well-known he is. He's been on TV countless times and is one of the most well-known anti-racists in the nation.

[Kahuna7]

94. Why lie about it? Mostly everybody here can read. I CLEARLY said she's calling me

ignorant for not knowing who wise is. How disingenuous can you be? I said so right there in the title line. I don't even know why you felt the need to get involved in a two part discussion. Mind yours. I'm a black woman. I don't need to go to tim wise to learn about racism. If DUers feel the need to follow him, that's okay. But I do not come to DU to learn about racism from anybody. I don't need to.

[Garrett78]

98. Effie said you're touting your ignorance of who Tim Wise is. Your response was:

"You're calling me ignorant because I don't know who Tim Wise is?"

The ignorance in question is precisely about not knowing who Tim Wise is. Effie isn't saying you're ignorant (in general) and the proof is that you don't know who Tim Wise is. Effie simply said that you're touting your ignorance of who Tim Wise is. But your response clearly suggests that Effie is accusing you of being ignorant in general, and you know that isn't what Effie was saying. So do all of those who got involved in this "two part discussion" to back you up with comments about how what Effie said is uncalled for (of course, I notice that you're not telling those folks to 'mind yours').

The point all along has been that there are many people (Tim Wise being just one of the more prominent ones) horrified by what Biden said in response to a question about repairing the legacy of slavery (he chose to suggest Black parents don't know how to parent). But instead of people on DU being outraged by what Biden said, they're outraged that Reid would have on a guest who drew attention to the fact that what Biden said was outrageous. Shameful.

[Kahuna7]

99. I have nothing else to say to you. Capiche?

[Tipperary]

113. This. I have been amazed at the defensiveness of

Biden supporters here. I would assume that if Joy had a guest on who called for Warren or Sanders to drop out, they would be applauding her.

[Garrett78]

116. Especially if one of them suggested that the answer to repairing the legacy of slavery is...

...lecturing Black parents on how to raise their kids.

Cha, focused for some reason on the reaction by some on Twitter to Reid's segment (and not on what Biden said), posted a comment made by someone criticizing Reid--and in that comment, the person called for Castro to drop out. LOL at the hypocrisy.

[Cha]

132. "Defensiveness of Biden supporters"? If it had been

Warren or Sanders who were called on to drop out.. I imagine their supporters would be Defending Warren and Sanders.

Why would any of them "drop out".. they're all in the top tier, right?

[True Blue American]

140. My not watching Joy has nothing to do

With Joe Biden.

[True Blue American]

141. I do not know

Who Tim Wise is. Never heard of him and if he said those things about any Democrat I do not care to know him.

[True Blue American]

49. That was uncalled for!

[hlthe2b]

56. +++

[demtenjeep]

63. +++

me

[Tarheel_Dem]

133. It was indeed. The black members of DU don't educating about racism on TV, myself included.

[Cha]

131. Oh oh.. and you're just insulting.

[True Blue American]

35. I do not know who Tim Wise is!

White woman who is older than you! never heard of him.

[Kahuna7]

37. I looked up his books on Amazon. His target audience seems to be

whites. I'm not white. Dude can't teach me nothing about racism. I might could teach him a few things.

[True Blue American]

41. I am quite sure you could.

The remarks about teaching people how to raise their kids is blatant racism.

[Kahuna7]

73. He was attempting to cite some out dated study. They all do it. nt

[wellst0nev0ter]

90. I bet he would welcome your teaching

He'll be the first to admit he's not an expert about racism. But as a black man, I do welcome his advocacy, even if he has some detractors who should be his allies.

FTR, Biden's response to that slavery question was disgusting. I don't care how electable he is.

[Garrett78]

95. How are more people not outraged? How can people be more outraged that Joy Reid...

...had on a guest who is outraged than they are by Biden's horrific response to a question about repairing the legacy of slavery?

These folks should be so, so ashamed.

[EffieBlack]

102. Privilege and white fragility still a lot of ordinarily loquacious tongues ...

[Garrett78]

104. That and people have convinced themselves that only Biden can win, based largely on...

...a false narrative about what happened in 2016 and why.

People honestly seem to think the key to winning is flipping Trump voters in PA, MI and WI. As opposed to boosting turnout among our base. Hundreds of thousands fewer people showed up for Clinton than showed up for Obama in key battleground states, but people think flipping Trump voters is the key. It's madness.

Jamelle Bouie wrote a piece about the Obama-Trump voter that I've posted several times before: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2016/11/why-did-some-white-obama-voters-for-trump.html

People can't seem to grasp that A) some racists voted for Obama (like the racists who are married to a person of color and, therefore, can't be racist) following 8 years of Bush-Cheney and B) some of those Obama voters had become completely blinded by racism after 8 years of racist attacks on Obama (and are never coming back). Instead, they insist that a key to winning in 2020 is winning back a fraction of a fraction of voters who happened to vote for both Obama and Trump (due to *white* economic anxiety, 'cause - you know - POC don't experience economic anxiety). And, therefore, we need to nominate an old white man to defeat an old white man. Again, it's madness.

Jamil Smith of Rolling Stone is exactly right that non-racism isn't enough. We need someone well-versed in anti-racism. That ain't Biden.

[wellst0nev0ter]

103. Well, can't ignore that most black voters back Biden

They can't all be wrong, right?

As a black voter, I strongly disagree with them, though...

[Garrett78]

105. I think it's just a matter of time before his support collapses.

Black folks have to be pragmatists. Black folks can't take any chances, because the consequences of Republican policies are so severe. But Biden's response to a question about repairing the legacy of slavery is absolutely horrific. Biden's support among Black youth isn't nearly as strong, and it'll get weaker.

[Tipperary]

115. Yes, exactly this. nt

[True Blue American]

34. Joy is the biased one.

[EffieBlack]

13. You mean these tweets?

Link to tweet

[Garrett78]

17. Among others, yes.

Biden's comments, past and present, will be used by the Trump camp to suppress Dem turnout. The fact that he's even older than Trump and is gaffe-prone also won't help. Biden is not a good candidate for president. He wasn't in 1988, he wasn't in 2008 and he isn't now.

When you basically have 100% name recognition and you're in a field of 20+ unknowns, of course you're going to be riding high...until you aren't.

[Thekaspervote]

24. You are entitled to your opinion. Biden will do just fine handling dotard. It doesn't matter who

The Nominee is, dotard is going to get really really nasty.

[Garrett78]

32. The point isn't that Trump will be more nasty with Biden. The point is that his camp will...

...be able to neutralize one of the main charges against Trump. With the goal being to suppress Black (and youth) turnout just as they successfully did against Clinton.

[qazplm135]

64. I don't want Biden either but

the argument that Biden has or will say or do anything to "neutralize" anything against Trump is ridiculous.

[Garrett78]

70. No, it isn't. It worked in 2016.

If Biden is the nominee, Trump surrogates will be out in force (on social media especially) pointing to racist and sexist remarks made by Biden. It will suppress turnout. The problem in 2016 wasn't that Obama voters voted for Trump. The problem was one of turnout. Hundreds of thousands of people in key battleground states who had voted for Obama but would never vote for Trump either didn't vote or voted third party.

Turning out the base has to be the focus. Not flipping Trump voters.

[Thekaspervote]

123. Trump surrogates will be out in force trying to suppress turnout regardless of who the nominee is

[qazplm135]

125. first of all

it's not 2016 anymore.

Every election is different, we will have had four years of Trump, he's a known quantity now.

So everyone who keeps referencing 2016 as if that's exactly how it's all going to go down again with no changes and Trump can do the exact same things and win the exact same way...well, I just have to shake my head at that.

He hadn't put kids in cages in 2016, he hadn't compared anti-racist protestors to KKK assholes, he hadn't done about a dozen things back then.

If our side won't turnout to stop Trump because Joe Biden is the nominee, then our side sucks and this country is fucked and deserves what it gets. End of story.

I don't give a flying fig about Trump voters either. But if our side cannot put aside whatever disappointment they have over Biden to get rid of Trump then our side deserves Trump. It's our nominee or Trump. That's it. Whomever it is.
If you sit out, you are voting for Trump. Period. No discussion.

So I don't want to hear it. I don't want Biden. I don't want Bernie. I don't want another old white guy. I want a woman. Harris or Warren preferably. But if it's Biden, or Bernie or the guy who fucking delivers my mail, I'm going to be out there voting, calling and doing whatever it is I can to get that person elected President. No held noses, no regrets, no disappointment, with a song in my heart.

So, our side either needs to be ready to suck it up and get on-board, or lose. And that's going to be the same regardless of who the nominee is.

[Thekaspervote]

129. SC is the bellwether for the AA vote. Biden polls at 43% there which mirrors Ntl polls as well

https://thegrio.com/2019/08/01/joe-biden-top-choice-black-voters-quinnipiac-poll

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/south-carolina/

[Mr.Bill]

25. If Sanders and Warren are still unknowns,

they have bigger problems than Biden.

[Garrett78]

30. They aren't, but about 20 others pretty much are.

And the average voter is not, at this juncture, going to bother trying to distinguish between 20+ candidates. A large field benefits Biden. And having both Warren and Sanders hurting one another's chances also helps Biden. But Biden has proven to be a poor presidential candidate in the past, and I suspect it's just a matter of time before Biden's support collapses.

[TwilightZone]

46. This is a five-person race.

The only ones with any realistic chance of the nomination aren't even remotely unknowns at this point, particularly after national attention and three debates.

[Garrett78]

50. Many are not paying attention at this juncture. And that's exacerbated by the size of the field.

Your average voter is not a DUer. Your average voter isn't going to put in the effort, 5 months before voting, to distinguish between 20 candidates. It doesn't matter that only a handful have a chance. It matters that there are so many names and only a few are well-known. People hear there are 20+ candidates and immediately lose interest.

[sprinkleeninow]

114. Five person--'1,2,3,4' and whooo? eom

[Thekaspervote]

124. The Biden support collapse has been touted for months now

[TwilightZone]

42. Sanders has nearly 100% name recognition. Warren's is 90+%.

The "name recognition" argument is a little stale at this point. Sanders and Warren aren't even remotely unknowns.

Sanders ran a high-profile campaign four years ago and came into this campaign with name recognition on par with Biden's.

Warren gained unwarranted national attention when Trump made his childish remarks about her heritage.

After three debates, candidates like Kamala and Pete aren't unknowns, either.

[Garrett78]

51. Again, I'm not talking about Sanders or even Warren.

People hear there are 20+ candidates and lose interest. We're 5 months away from voting. Most folks aren't paying close attention.

[FloridaBlues]

47. Support your candidate don't bash others esp the front runner

[No Vested Interest]

67. Agree. nt

[Thekaspervote]

128. This!! Thank you

[Kahuna7]

19. Well if Tim Wise says so.....

[Cha]

52. I've heard the name but

don't read what he has to say.

Hope that doesn't make me "ignorant".

[True Blue American]

142. Well, Cha

You can join the crowd of the ignorant, right along with me. I thought we were not supposed to speak ill of Democrats here.

[George II]

29. She sure is playing it up though:

Link to tweet

[SCVDem]

15. I have mentioned Reid before.

She pulls this anti-Biden crap way too often. I expect a few times but she is on the anti Joe train.

I just turn her off.

If she's sitting in for someone, I'll turn her off.

Of all the talent they had at MSNBC, they kept her.

[Rebl2]

26. I do

remember her saying she spoke with a lot of older African American women recently that like Biden and want to vote for him. I didn’t watch the whole show this morning, so not sure I heard her say for him to drop out, but her first guest did.

[hedda_foil]

77. She said on today's show that at the CBC conference yesterday, every black woman over 40...

Was still all in for Biden. SHE SAID THAT ON TODAY'S SHOW AND NOT HAVE N RESPONSE TO A TWEET.

[FloridaBlues]

38. I just had to reply to that tweet.

Not sure who she was referring too. Many people not liking her statement.
Let voters decide not tv host or pundits.

[stopbush]

39. It wasn't Joy who called for Biden to drop out.

It was her guest, Anand Giridharadas, and he made a very good point, IMHO. He said that after he made comments about Biden’s latest gaffe he was contacted by people from the tRump campaign who were eager to supply him with more examples of Biden’s out-of-date thinking. Giridharadas pointed out that this shows that Team tRump is already weaponizing Biden’s gaffes to use as a bludgeon to neutralized charges against tRump being a racist.

In her defense, Joy played devil’s advocate, in fact, and posed counter arguments to AG’s POV.

[True Blue American]

44. Joy passed that long ago

And Whoever Tim Wise is, is misleading on Biden. He is not racist. I am glad I did not watch.

I do watch David.

[evertonfc]

45. who cares what Joy Reid thinks

I wonder if her 64 viewers will keep watching her show?

[bigtree]

53. you should delete this post. Joy Reid did not say anything about Biden stepping down.

...it was a guest on her show. She actually gave a counter argument to that guest after his remarks.

This post is stirring up trouble for Joy Reid, and she's done absolutely nothing wrong. If she's getting 'dragged for Twitter for this post, it's got to be some dirt dumb folks who can't read.

[Tipperary]

117. Thank you. Some here seem terrified of any criticism

of Biden. They will be horrified when they see what the repugs wii do if he is the nominee.

[Thekaspervote]

127. Biden will handle dotard and repugs well. Even if he is not the nominee they will go after who ever

Is... and we will all be horrified. don’t fool yourself

[LonePirate]

55. I agree. We need a true progressive atop the ticket, not someone who makes us nostalgic for Obama.

[5starlib]

68. Obama was a GREAT president!!

I'm very nostalgic for him. I love him and Michelle. They represented everything that is right with America. Obama is a very decent and honorable man. Yes, I'm nostalgic for him and I don't apologize for that.

[LonePirate]

69. It's fine to be nostaligc of him. It's not fine when that's the only driving force behind a campaign

I have no clue if Biden holds a policy position that isn't middle of the road continuation or Obama nostalgia. We need drastic change and fresh, bold ideas and policies for our future. From what I can tell, Biden does not have that.

[5starlib]

72. If middle of the road means a more robust Obamacare

with a public option and not for abolition of private insurance, then I'm middle of the road too. I think most of the Democratic Party is on the same page with Obama. That's why Biden is leading in the polls. Biden is trying to win 350 EV's to smash Trump in the election and his policy plans will do that. Biden is where there voters and that's why he'll win big.

[True Blue American]

143. There are things

That need to be fixed in the ACA, as most big,new programs are. We would have had them fixed if voters had not listened to the fear tactics and voted Republican.

Voters showed in the Town Hall meetings they wanted both the ACA and the fixes. They came out in droves in 2018. They will have another chance in 2020. See if they have learned anything.

[emmaverybo]

109. Some of the bold ideas are not feasible, others are plain bad. Prune and prioritize. Existing

social programs are broken, underfunded, and seriously imperiled. Address these first.

[LonePirate]

111. Nothing is feasible if you don't try and he proposed nothing new or inspiring.

[emmaverybo]

118. Inspiring? We do not need to cancel 95 percent of student debt or put another 200 a month into

everyone’s social security, poor and rich alike, when we have massive foreclosures, inadequate welfare funding, homeless children, millions thrown off food stamps, lack of job training, child protection services throughout the nation unable to monitor for abuse, meals on wheels programs going under., Medicaid cuts to home services, Medicaid, Medicare, and Social Security all in danger..infrastructure anyone? Public education? Serious need in many areas of the country fo4 updated dispatch services, better resourced EMS and firefighting? Adoption and foster family services in terrible shape?

I mean almost every ExISTING social safety net program is in jeopardy, but since protecting those is not inspired, bold, young, new we get plans catering to certain demographics or a problem de jour. Do we need 200 billion dollars thrown at the Opioid rehab industry when a) rehab is predominantly faith-based b) experts agree suboxone and therapy the best treatment available and that is covered by Medicaid and Medicare? Alcohol is our number one drug problem, but yeah
a massive investment in Opioid addiction treatment SOUNDS sexier. Could we invest five o4 ten or twenty billion?

How about save trillions so we can help vulnerable populations and just getting loan forgiveness programs operable, freezing interest during hardship or forebearance, bring down the interest rates going forward, cancel on an income basis, but not raise folk’s taxes for a giveaway to under forties with high paying jobs who took out huge loans! Not while working class folks are losing their homes!

This scattershot approach to income equality may make for voter excitement, but does little to
fix deep,socioeconomic inequities, to prioritize our needs, to address those the worst off in America and yet these bold plans often reward people who Do Not Need more rewards.

PS I owe student loans. I will have paid some times over by the time I finish paying. I would be in Bernie’s or Liz’s enormous group of those eligible for amnesty, But I look around and I see mentally ill with no housing, elderly foreclosed upon, a whole community gentrified out of existence, and I have to say, no thanks to your inspiring waste of money we can ill afford.

No thanks. Fix what we have and are in danger of losing first. And start talking about the deficit.
Do not ask me to pay higher taxes so affluent people can get more social security money!!

[LonePirate]

119. It's post like this one which make me wonder what happened to the Underground portion of DU.

[emmaverybo]

120. It is alive and well, as shown by the fact that there are very few posts like mine challenging

the accepted wisdom and sense behind particular plans which have become synonymous with progressive politics. I did see one post which was immediately deleted by the poster.

Posts like yours are meant to discourage if not stamp out posts like mine.

Good job.

[Thekaspervote]

126. Indeed a lot less will be feasible if we loose the WH.

EW & BS poll very poorly with the AA voting block. We cannot win without them

[treestar]

57. She has an irrational hatred of Biden

why would a front runner drop out because some pundit doesn't like him, at that pundit's demand?

[bigtree]

59. there's nothing she's said that shows ANY hatred of Biden

...and she DID NOT call for Biden to drop out.

Her post, likely made by aides, is a standard media tease. It has nothing to do with what the host said. She came back at the guest with a devil's advocate argument against what he had said, so this is uncalled for and wrong to start bashing her for this false post.

[treestar]

62. I've seen it myself

she even said his voice bugs her.

[bigtree]

66. you misrepresented what she actually said

...and saying someone's voice bugs them isn't hatred.

Not even close.

[jalan48]

58. She's been Bernie bashing for awhile now. Interesting to see she's going after Biden.

[bigtree]

61. Joy Reid did not 'go after Biden.'

...not in any shape or form.

[KPN]

60. Misleading title. Biden's not my preference,

and I’m not a fan of Joy Reid’s, but this thread title misleads and wrongly maligns Joy.

[Kahuna7]

74. No it doesn't wrongly malign her. She's the one who posted it. She didn't have to. nt

[bigtree]

78. it's a news blurb

...she likely didn't even post this. It's an ad, basically for her show, on twitter. a teaser.

No other news host gets blamed like this for tweeting out what some guest had said. It's a bullshit smear, and you should know this.

Delete this false thread.

[Kahuna7]

79. It's a news blurb because she made it so. nt

[bigtree]

86. but YOU made it into something false

...YOU did that.

[Kahuna7]

88. I changed the title to she's "promoting" it, not saying it. Happy now? nt

[KPN]

135. I disagree. You wrote a title in your thread that misleads. It's

pretty clear.

[world wide wally]

71. All I can say to Joy and anyone else that bashes Biden, you better be careful what you wish for

Or you could end up with fuckface Von Playdough again..
Just sayin'

[bigtree]

81. Joy Reid did not 'bash Biden'

...it just did not happen.

[world wide wally]

87. Good then.

We are stronger together.

[Tarheel_Dem]

134. It wouldn't surprise me if the lower rated MSNBC hosts wouldn't prefer Trump. He's been a....

boon for the more progressive news networks. I have a feeling if Trump goes away, so do a lot of the current MSNBC hosts. Their ratings tend to be lower with a Democrat in the WH.

[Cha]

138. Reid just had this guy on to Bash Biden..

and promoted Biden "dropping out" on her FB page...

"Our guest author Anand Giridharadas is not the only person who thinks Biden should drop out of the 2020 race after his debate comments. What do you think, #reiders? Watch and weigh in:"

LOl@first reply..

Robert Miller Biden drop out??? I thought it was a typo, and the title meant to say Castro! Castro was wrong about everything regarding his exchange with Biden. Biden knew exactly what he had said. If anyone should go, it should be Castro!

Bridget Davis Enough with the bashing of candidates. Joy everyone knows you aren't for Biden and try at every opportunity to hurt his campaign. I will vote for who ever the nominee is whether it be Biden or someone else.

https://www.facebook.com/joyreidofficial/posts/2306261106153165

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=280234

Reid doesn't have to say it directly "Biden drop out".. she's promoting it.

Maye James-Holler I don’t agree with your guest! Sure he could have handle the question better. But when i see how ALL the channels put Trump in the White House by giving him free publicity, as he lied everyday and couldn’t answer a damn question so he called people names. That didn’t bother the pundits, when Joe makes a mistake or a gaffe, oh my, lets kick him out. PLEASE!!! I’m a person of color and I’m for JOE!

Debbie Marijanovich It's obvious that many MSNBC hosts have their favorites! They have been after Biden before he even tossed his hat in the ring

Bonnie Blancett Anand Giridharadas is insufferable. I watched that interview. There was no respect for Vice President Biden. And, I'm sick of Joy having these people on with their immature points of view. All they want is purity. Have they lived seasoned lives. NO! Have they the ability to appreciate anyone before their existence. And shame on Julian Castro for daring to think he has more sway with Obama than Biden. Even Warren dodges confrontation. Did Joe melt into the background when attacked? NO! He was stunned but stood his ground. Joe would never stoop to the behavior of these jealous, self serving people. ie, Booker and Castro. He has my vote, my family's vote, and most of us are older. We know what it means to be a true Democrat.

Asiwaju Femi Falade Nonsense, Joe Biden drop out? I like Joy Reid, but one thing I have noticed about her, is that she is always happy to report negative news about Joe Biden. I am really getting tired of this so called liberal and progressive media, they like to batch their own politicians, most especially if they don't want certain politician to get to a certain position. They did the same thing with Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election. They devoted about 75% of their time covering negative stories about Hillary Clinton e.g email scandal, server sandal, Benghazi scandal etc. Enough is enough.

[Jose Garcia]

80. Perhaps her account was has hacked again

[bigtree]

82. she's not the one who posted this false thread.

[Kahuna7]

83. For everyone who's defending her, many times she has insulted Biden supporters...

on twitter as supporting Biden because he's old and white. How would she know that? She wouldn't. I'm tired of the racism and sexism in being promoted in this election. It's a disgrace.

[bigtree]

84. that's nonsense. It does not justify the lie that she called for Biden to step down

...

[Kahuna7]

89. I updated my title to she's promoting it, not saying it. Happy now?

[bigtree]

100. it's still false.

[Cha]

107. It's backfiring whether you think it's "false" or not.

Link to tweet

[George II]

101. She doesn't explicitly call for him to drop out, but she encourages "pundits" who do:

If this were a legal case she could be charged with "aiding and abetting". That link in her tweet goes to her opening segment on this morning's show, watch it for yourself:

Link to tweet

[Cha]

122. Apparently she posted a question on FB asking "..if Biden

should drop out?"

Nola should know..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=279865

[Cha]

136. Reid is promoting it.. on her her show and

on FB..

Reid's FB..

"Our guest author Anand Giridharadas is not the only person who thinks Biden should drop out of the 2020 race after his debate comments. What do you think, #reiders? Watch and weigh in:"

LOl@first reply..

Robert Miller Biden drop out??? I thought it was a typo, and the title meant to say Castro! Castro was wrong about everything regarding his exchange with Biden. Biden knew exactly what he had said. If anyone should go, it should be Castro!

Bridget Davis Enough with the bashing of candidates. Joy everyone knows you aren't for Biden and try at every opportunity to hurt his campaign. I will vote for who ever the nominee is whether it be Biden or someone else.

https://www.facebook.com/joyreidofficial/posts/2306261106153165

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=280234

Reid doesn't have to say it directly "Biden drop out".. she's promoting it.

[book_worm]

97. I doubt there are many real calls for him to get out of the race.

[BlueMississippi]

108. Joy Reid should drop out of journalism

and find a new career in entertainment -- like on TYT.

[Bayard]

121. Tell our front runner to drop out?

THAT makes a lot of sense!

I've noticed the bias as well. I don't watch her anymore.

[Gothmog]

145. AMJOY had a sanders supporter on yesterday and today two of AMJOY's guests attacked Biden

Today Joe gave a truly great speech and two of AMJOY's panelists were mad that Joe gave such a good speech. Here is all of Joe's speech today

Tiffany Cross and some guy name Jason were mad at Joe in effect because he gave such a good speech.

I will start boycotting AMJOY and will mute the TV when Cross or this Jason guy are on.