Ok, where are all the attack threads on David Gura who had 3 guests on today who spoke...

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against Joe Biden on his show "Up" which comes on just before Joy Reid's show on MSNBC. One even called for him to step down. Another said his lexicon on race and black people is stuck in time and not current.

Joy Reid was trashed here yesterday so come on, where are the Gura trash threads?

[Bradical79]

1. Who?

[comradebillyboy]

2. Who is David Gura? We all know Joy Reid.

Still I think the DU response to Joy Reid is a bit over the top.

[thesquanderer]

12. Heck, I didn't even know who Joy Reid was until a couple of months ago. (nt)

[comradebillyboy]

16. You must not waste enough time with cable TV pundits...nt

[thesquanderer]

19. I "cut the cord" about 15 years ago. I waste time online instead. ;-)

[comradebillyboy]

20. A wise decision...nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

3. Who's David Gura?

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6. His show "Up" comes on just before Joy Reid's show on MSNBC.

[Rebl2]

8. He is

on before Reid on weekends and has been for over a year.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

4. Who's David Gura?

[brush]

5. His show "Up" comes on just before Joy Reid's show on MSNBC.

[George II]

7. Not many people watch that show.

[highplainsdem]

9. Exactly.

[SCVDem]

10. Joy Reid is divisive in her rhetoric

She has been making digs against Biden for many months. I expect a few but it got to "Well, there she goes again".
I used to like her until I didn't.

This is a critique, not a trash. Her anti-Biden digs are trashing. She crosses the line by being openly opinionated.

We can disagree.

[Kahuna7]

22. Not just against Biden, but also against his supporters. nt

[bigtree]

11. he hates Biden

...

[stopbush]

13. He liked Biden until Joy Reid told him to not like Biden

yet again

[Kind of Blue]

36. As well as making AA voters feel they shouldn't support him.

[treestar]

50. Not assuming that

Never saw him; never heard of him.

[Polly Hennessey]

14. I have heard the same thing.

David Gura hates Biden and he is opinionated. The horror, the horror. My hands are clutching my pearls. Mr. Biden will be just fine with or without Ms. Reid. What a crock.

[floppyboo]

15. Should probably see the Jake Tapper attack threads soon too.

Looks like all the MSM is jumping ship.

[JaneQPublic]

17. I was thinking the same thing while watching "Up."

Jamil Smith, who wrote a scathing Rolling Stone article on Biden, came on the show to say Biden's debate comments disqualified him.

Gura, like Joy, didn't defend Biden.

So I was waiting for all the Gura hate posts like there were against Joy, but nothing.

It's odd how DU-ers have opinions about every MSNBC show from 6 a.m. to midnight but claim not to know that the show "Up with David Gura" exists.

[bigtree]

18. exactly, a guest saying Biden should withdraw, and no posts at all about his apparent bias

...against Biden.

These attacks are exclusive ONLY to this black woman. It's clearly an attempt to stifle, discredit, or silence black dissent over Biden.

[floppyboo]

24. as has been pointed out in some other thread - if you google this topic

DU comes out at top. I think there is a real sense of betrayal. And to your point, a feeling like 'she was one of our own'. {Edit: and I don't mean black women, I mean the people who feel their views should not be challenged by MSM] And going further, how dare she? Do you know how 'privileged' you are to be a black woman progressive newscaster making big bucks? (Is this much different than Trump's attitude to the gratitude he feels black athletes should feel?)
It's pretty gross.
Let us all once again look at the poll #'s at the top of this page, compare them with the # of posts supporting various candidates, and hit the ignore button.

[Docreed2003]

55. And yet

I saw multiple responses and at least one OP talking about how "hot" vinyl is now and Biden wasn't showing his age by saying "turn on the record player".

All of that crap conveniently ignoring the fact that Biden's comments, which included the record player comment, were incredibly paternalistic and could easily be considered offensive. Saying Biden was clumsy in the handling of a question about race doesn't equate to calling him a racist, and yet there were those suggesting that was the case as well...

Instead of listening to why these guests are upset and the concerns they have, people are too quick to bash the messenger, particularly "easy targets" like Mrs Reid.

[Kind of Blue]

38. +1000

[Kahuna7]

21. I like Gura but stopped watching him too because...

his panels are very predictable in their Biden bashing.

[bigtree]

23. this is a tell

[Kahuna7]

26. I'll go there. A tell of what? nt

[bigtree]

28. you support Biden

...and your view of these journos is colored by that bias.

My own is, to a great extent, by my support of Kamala Harris. It's fine, but certainly a good indicator of where you're coming from in your criticisms of these hosts for being mean to your candidate.

When his guests criticize another candidate does that mean Gura has it out for them, too?

[Kahuna7]

30. Yes, I do, DUH. It's in my signature line. You're a real daisy.

You're biased too and sore because kamala went after Biden and it left her the worse for wear.

[still_one]

41. ++++++

[bigtree]

54. a relatively unknown, black woman knocked a former VP off his perch, however fleeting

...and brought herself almost even with the frontrunner in polling.

All over a few remarks made to him in a debate. That should scare the heck out of your candidate.

[Demsrule86]

25. I turned off MSNBC weeks ago after their treatment of Biden...so I rarely watch it anymore...Morning

Joe every once in a while...I say, don't watch a show that goes after the Democratic front runner...'but her emails treatment is unacceptable. The dirty truth is MSNBC helped Trump get elected.

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29. "Morning Joe" was the show that gave trump the most air-time.

[Blue_Adept]

35. Because trump called in. Nobody else did.

And Democrats are being foolish in this now as well. They show up post-primary for a ten-minute piece, like three did this past week.

But where are they the rest of the time? Yes, on the trail. But they can call in as well. And you know that the program would easily take the call. Especially Biden since Mika has a huge crush on him.

So why are the Democratic candidates leaving valuable air-time on the table that they know is there?

[Demsrule86]

63. They at least seem to have learned from their mistakes in 16...it is watchable and if they have

folks who attack any of our candidates,I turn it off.

[lapfog_1]

27. who is David Gura

and why should I get up at zero-dark-100 to watch him?

[brush]

31. Re-read the post. It states clearly who he is and what his show is.

[lapfog_1]

34. it states he has a show on MSNBC

I think a couple of reasonable hamsters can have a weekend show on MSNBC.

I asked "who is this person" (having a show doesn't say much about him, Tucker Carlson has a show)... and I asked why should I be expected to watch something at, what, 7am PST (or whatever) on a Sunday and THEN be outraged about it because his guest bash Joe Biden?

I didn't even care about Joy Reid and whatever she did on her show.

You all want Biden out of the race... too bad, he signed up for it.

Right now, he is leading the pack.. and has since he announced... and that just drives the Berners and Warren supporters nuts, not to mention that most of the rest of the pack.

My only wish is that Barbara Boxer was 15 years younger and had decided to run.

[MontanaMama]

33. You shouldn't get up at zero-dark anything

to watch anyone! I’ve never heard of David Gura until I opened this thread. He can’t be all that.

[Hortensis]

32. Who? :) Because Joy Reid was a big favorite with Democrats

across the spectrum. She was our friend, whose soaring career we applauded as she was trusted with subbing for the big evening hosts. Then with her own show she turned into an opponent, promoting the far left against the vast Democratic mainstream. I doubt I'm the only one offended by her show's attitude toward the dominant voter bloc I genuinely believe are America's best and America's best hope.

Mainstream Democratic viewers were probably set up for disappointment by all the time she spent subbing on the higher-quality evening shows with more powerful anchors and more intelligent, aware viewerships. Their content was imposed on her, creating assumptions that they reflected her own attitudes.

Her own show's negativism against mainstream values and candidates is actually 100% pack journalism, the safe go-along place it's always been. The pack puffs up the non-mainstream left against the big, highly diverse mainstream voter bloc, and she does that also. And of course as a black woman she is considered an expert voice on "white liberal racism," a huge, often hit target of discussion. Do she and her guests really despise me that much, or is this just the safe go-along place in black-pack journalism? Who is Reid even really? Not far left, is all I feel sure about.

In contrast, David Gura, who I also haven't been watching, isn't an old, trusted friend who turned on us. Just another of the MSNBC hires who are currently bashing the Democratic Party, bashing the big Democratic primary leader, and "discussing" racial divisions all day long.

Speaking of that negativism syndrome, THIS is what Reid and Gura are both part of and what our eventual nominee will be in for, no matter who it is. This summary of findings from study of press coverage in 2016 is from Harvard Kennedy School’s Shorenstein Center on Media, Politics and Public Policy, which are confirmed by other major studies. The only winners in their sleazy, venal game, briefly, are whichever trailing candidates make the best tools for tearing down the leaders. This does not attempt to identify or quantify the influence of politically motivated owners, managers and editors on content.

... analyzes news coverage during the 2016 general election, and concludes that both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump received coverage that was overwhelmingly negative in tone and extremely light on policy.

The negativity was not unique to the 2016 election cycle but instead part of a pattern in place since the 1980s and one that is not limited to election coverage. “A healthy dose of negativity is unquestionably a good thing,” writes Thomas Patterson, the study’s author. “Yet an incessant stream of criticism has a corrosive effect. It needlessly erodes trust in political leaders and institutions and undermines confidence in government and policy,” resulting in a media environment full of false equivalencies that can mislead voters about the choices they face.

The study found that, on topics relating to the candidates’ fitness for office, Clinton and Trump’s coverage was virtually identical in terms of its negative tone. “Were the allegations surrounding Clinton of the same order of magnitude as those surrounding Trump?” asks Patterson. “It’s a question that political reporters made no serious effort to answer during the 2016 campaign.”

Criticism dogged Hillary Clinton at every step of the general election. Her “bad press” outpaced her “good press” by 64 percent to 36 percent. She was criticized for everything from her speaking style to her use of emails.

As Clinton was being attacked in the press, Donald Trump was attacking the press, claiming that it was trying to “rig” the election in her favor. If that’s true, journalists had a peculiar way of going about it. Trump’s coverage during the general election was more negative than Clinton’s, running 77 percent negative to 23 percent positive. But over the full course of the election, it was Clinton, not Trump, who was more often the target of negative coverage (see Figure 1). Overall, the coverage of her candidacy was 62 percent negative to 38 percent positive, while his coverage was 56 percent negative to 44 percent positive.

...Negative coverage was the order of the day in the general election. Not a week passed where the nominees’ coverage reached into positive territory. It peaked at 81 percent negative in mid-October, but there was not a single week where it dropped below 64 percent negative.

Even those numbers understate the level of negativity. Much of the candidates’ “good press” was in the context of the horserace—who is winning and who is losing and why. At any given moment in the campaign, one of the candidates has the momentum, which is a source of positive coverage. Figure 2 shows the tone of the nominees’ coverage on non-horserace topics, those that bear some relationship to the question of their fitness for office—their policy positions, personal qualities, leadership abilities, ethical standards, and the like. In Trump’s case, this coverage was 87 percent negative to 13 percent positive. Clinton’s ratio was identical—87 percent negative to 13 percent positive.

https://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/

[bigtree]

40. you don't watch the shows: "David Gura, who I also haven't been watching"

...but you're making all sorts of claims about her bias.

Ridiculous. Save the typing.

We can see you know nothing about their shows, because you're not actually paying attention to anything but the critics.

[Hortensis]

43. I used to watch her every day. No more. I don't have a

duty to continue to soak up insults every day in order to report my experiences with her show.

[cwydro]

42. Some of us haven't cared for her since she never took responsibility for her comments about gays.

Her continued lies about “being hacked” turned me off her for good.

I might have had respect for her if she’d just come clean about the whole thing.

[Hortensis]

44. I chose not to mention her gay bashing and hacking

nonsense. Not a good sign but the bashing was in the past, in relatively knuckledragger Florida, and most people do evolve at least somewhat. But it of course came to mind when I was thinking of her comfort with bashing liberal Democrats and wondering about her character, who she really is, and what her ideological leanings really are. Advocating for farther-left Sanders and Warren policies doesn't have to mean a thing when the advocate is an MSNBC talk show host and neither is the current Democratic front runner.

[cwydro]

57. I understand that she's for Harris.

At least that’s what I understood.

Personally, what she thinks or advocates probably has no effect on anyone.

[Hortensis]

59. Thanks. Being for Harris would make some sense, even

if Harris is mainstream liberal. I would imagine Reid's developed or retained something of a following. She's charming and had a good kickoff all over MSNBC.

[StarfishSaver]

37. An awful lot of work is going in to justifying the double standard

and to explain why Joy supposedly deserves to be bashed while Gura gets a pass.

None of which pass the smell test.

[Kahuna7]

45. Really? Apples and oranges. Check back when....

Gura tweets to promote that Biden drops out. Or when Gura makes a practice of personally dissing Biden and/or his supporters.

[StarfishSaver]

46. As I said ...

[Kahuna7]

47. Um. Pithy.

[StarfishSaver]

49. Thank you.

[Kind of Blue]

39. K&R! I don't watch Gura but the channel was still on

And I was shocked! Shocked, I tell you, to see Smith on the panel.

[treestar]

48. LOL never heard of him

Lucky Joy has made a name for herself and has far more viewers.

[StarfishSaver]

51. really? I thought she was discredited and irrelevant

At least that's what some people here have claimed.

[treestar]

53. Not me.

I haven't said that. She's famous enough to draw attention from trumpy.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

52. I think a lot of

DU'ers are hearing the name David Gura for the first time.

[Politicub]

56. The campaign to smear him is still with the art department

The Russian-backed, meme-making designers have been working overtime, and their earlier designs didn't test well.

It will happen. Just give it time.

[brush]

58. In a way I hope you're right as I don't like to think here on DU the black woman is attacked...

but the white male isn't for committing the same "so-called" offense.

[Politicub]

60. I don't like to think that, either.

It's hard to give my fellow DUers the benefit of the doubt, sometimes.

It gives me pause, though, when the attacks on POC are more swift and sustained than attacks (or lack of attacks) on others.

[brush]

61. Your last graph nails it. That's how I feel about it too.

[Skya Rhen]

62. As soon as Gura gets bashed on his Twitter and FB page as Joy was - then I'll report ASAP.