What outrage will some DUers gin up about about Joe tomorrow?

[redstateblues]

It must be frustrating that none of the daily barrage against Joe seems to stick. Wile E. Coyote meet Roadrunner

[elleng]

1. There's already one 'ginned up.'

[EffieBlack]

2. Lol

Says the person who spent a good part of their weekend trying to spin deserved criticism into a massive, unfair and unprovoked attack against Biden.

Nice effort to use projection to ward off scrutiny of the obvious, but it won’t work ...

[Celerity]

26. nailed it Effie

[Demsrule86]

38. It wasn't deserved...and the constant barrage of smears against Biden only makes me more

loyal.

[stonecutter357]

39. lol you fell for it .

[highplainsdem]

3. They've been showing an amazing disregard for facts.

[More_Cowbell]

4. Yeah. What do they think they're doing, listening to what Biden says? nt

[EffieBlack]

5. We're not supposed to listen to his words but guess what's in his heart.

[Hortensis]

50. We're supposed to scrutinize words and context for understanding,

not for those than can be reforged as weapons, which is what some are doing.

Did you see that disgraceful thread about Cornpop, where a mob leaped on the word "tiny" and soon were casting 19-year-old Joe-the-lifeguard as a big, 6-foot coward cringing before a skinny, undersized little boy? That's an extreme example of what's in dozens of threads.

And let's all remember what FBI Director Comey was somehow never able to realize: that his innocent, well intended and highly principled interferences in the electoral process all helped Putin win a huge victory in his war on America, putting us all in grave danger.

Right now Biden is the Democrat Russia-Repubs NEED to take out permanently. Surely there's a way for us to engage in discussion of our candidates, including what we don't like about them, without falling into their trap?

This is from RT, for instance: "In some state: Joe Biden doesn’t know where he is. The presidential campaign trail hasn’t been kind to Joe Biden with the Democrat frontrunner frequently bumbling himself into controversies great and small. His latest gaffe saw him forget what state he’s in."

Gee, if Russia wants us chortling over demented, bumbling, gaff-prone Biden, maybe Democrats who like someone else better should refuse, find something else to discuss. Like his current position on immigration reform or childhood education. Nicely and fact based.

[redstateblues]

7. Surely there are some quotes from EWs Republicans/ Reagan days?

[Bradshaw3]

54. Smearing another candidate while complaining about yours being smeared?

Actually Warren didn't vote for Reagan. The only repub she voted for in recent presidential elections was Ford. So either get your facts straight and delete the post, or keep showing yourself to be a huge hypocrite.

This Warren was a repub line from some Biden supporters on here is really as low as it gets and shows true desperation. You don't like what is being written and said about (including actual transcripts of his words) so that gives you the right to lie about Warren as an attempt at deflection?

[LanternWaste]

33. Application of relevant context would illustrate your premise as flawed.

But I get it... context is a tough thing, not everyone's sup of soup.

[qazplm135]

46. if one is always complaining about context

then one is likely in need of better communication skills.

[LanternWaste]

63. If one conflates complaints and observations as being the same...

then one is likely under the spell of their own melodramatic biases. Again.

But I get it.... English is a tough language, and it's easy to confuse words, or even simply pretend other meanings when convenient.

[qazplm135]

64. My observation

is that every time Biden says something that is objected to, one of the continuous responses involves "context."

English is tough, but it ain't that tough. If you keep having to raise context, then maybe it's not "melodramatic bias" it's "poor communication."

But I get it, you need to belittle to avoid that linkage.

[Demsrule86]

40. Obviously not...just twisting...but it is so obvious , it will fail.

[Polly Hennessey]

6. Can't wait.

They are becoming predictable and boring.

[BlueMississippi]

8. They're waiting for instructions from David Sirota

to carry out the next dirty trick.

Sirota is scraping the bottom of the barrel as we type here ..

[brooklynite]

31. Ask and ye shall receive...

BERN NOTICE: Listen To What Biden Keeps Telling His Big Donors

Bloomberg reports that Biden last night praised “great drug companies out there” during an elite fundraiser. Biden’s praise comes only weeks after CBS reports that drug companies have been jacking up prices at “5 times the rate of inflation” in 2019 — which is part of the larger trend of drug companies charging Americans the world’s highest prices for medicine.

Biden has refused to take Bernie’s pledge to reject campaign cash from health care industry executives — instead, the Center for Responsive Politics reports that “no Democratic candidate has pulled in more from the healthcare and pharmaceutical industries than Biden.”

https://bernie.substack.com/

[Amimnoch]

51. Good for Biden!

That Health care services, and yes even pharmaceuticals want to invest into Democratic Party candidates is a great thing.

They, quite rightfully, know that we're the ones that will expand programs, so it only makes logical sense that our candidates are the ones they want to support. That does not equate to anything nefarious at all.

The only reason Bernie and some of the others aren't receiving legally made donations is because they have chosen to refuse them. Fine, but it doesn't implicate Biden in anything at all because he isn't turning down legal contributions.

If there is quid pro quo evidence.. at all.. then I'm onboard with it being a bad thing. There isn't, so I'm not.

Frankly, it won't be Biden, or Bernie, or any of our candidates or any president at all that advances our healthcare insurance system, it will be Congress. The president only has the ability to either sign off on what Congress passes, or veto it.

I have no problem at all with Biden because I DO trust him to sign off on ANY Democratic Party led legislation that does progress our healthcare insurance system that makes it through congress.. be it MFA, enhanced ACA or some other advancement. He'll sign it if it's championed by our congress and makes any progress at all, even if it is less than perfect or has some parts that leave a bad taste in the mouth. I likewise trust all of our other candidates running to do the exact same thing with the sole exception of Bernie Sanders. He is the only one I can see breaking out the Veto pen if he gets a hard fought for less than perfect bill that he doesn't completely like.. Which is a large part of why I'm on the anyone BUT Bernie train.

[Cary]

61. Great point.

We are in this together. Too bad so many don't want to realize that fact.

[betsuni]

66. +1

[NYMinute]

9. They will always gin up something

but it will go the way of Lucy Flores and Anita Hill stories ...

Much ado about nothing

[Fiendish Thingy]

10. No need for DU'ers to "gin up" anything

We can just report on the actual outrage expressed by the general public, as well as the punditry, to Biden's own actions.

Just because you don't share that outrage doesn't mean it is manufactured. Ignoring real reactions by real voters isn't a good strategy for either the primaries or the general...

[Thekaspervote]

11. This is your opinion. You are entitled to it... but that's all it is, an opinion

[Fiendish Thingy]

57. It is an opinion shared by many AA writers and voters

Go to theroot.com if you don't believe me.

[BlueMississippi]

34. So far, the only outrage is coming from BS supporters

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which are what? 15%?

[Fiendish Thingy]

58. You need to get out more often

Away from DU- check out theroot.com to hear what AA writers and voters are saying- few Sanders supporters there.

[Demsrule86]

41. Faux outrage in my opinion.

[Fiendish Thingy]

59. Feel free to discount the outrage of AA and youth voters nt

[Thekaspervote]

12. Ha!! Good one

[Garrett78]

13. The man was asked how to repair the legacy of slavery and he scolded Black parents.

This is not 1950, nor is this a Republican Party primary. We should expect much, much better.

That there's more outrage at the outrage than there is at what Biden said is beyond sad.

[Skya Rhen]

14. Won't work. Joe is not going anywhere - bet on that.

[RandiFan1290]

22. That's what we are afraid of. nt

[BlueMississippi]

35. Why are you afraid?

Joe will make an excellent POTUS. Nothing to be afraid of.

[stonecutter357]

42. lol Why are you afraid?

[quickesst]

15. some people might look up on this....

.... as a bad thing, but if you will notice, every time it happens, and people quickly figure out how ridiculous it usually sounds, Joe's stock rises.

[Grasswire2]

16. I am reminded of the attacks on Al Gore by Republicans.

They made an industry out of mocking him for his clothing choices, his gentlemanly ways, his role in the internet, and so on....and then the "Sore Loserman" assault that shaped public opinion and kept Gore from claiming his win.

[Hekate]

18. Indeed. There's also an air of Hillary deja vu. Both these fine Dems won the popular vote...

...and were kept from the presidency by dirty tricks so filthy even Nixon would be amazed.

[Grasswire2]

20. yes

The de facto putsch from the right has taken out too many deserving public servants.

Step back and look what's happened in the last 75 years or so.

[BlueMississippi]

36. Once again, this time, republicans have support

from within the Democratic party.

[oasis]

17. Joe's weathered enough "weak tea" to sink a battleship, but he's still afloat.

[Thekaspervote]

21. Weak tea indeed!! Great analogy

[bigtree]

19. what controversial thing will Joe say tomorrow?

[treestar]

24. What innocuous thing will be turned into a "controversy" that exists

only on DU and pundit-land?

[elocs]

23. When you're the perceived front runner

you need to be big enough to take the shots.
Biden is but I don't know about some of this supporters.

Yes, being in front sucks, doesn't it?

[treestar]

25. The "shots" are stupid

Now we are down to reparations, something that is never going to happen.

[elocs]

49. Medicare for All is never going to happen either,

but it gets held out like it is a possibility if one of the candidates who lauds it is elected.

How many absolutely stupid things would Trump throw at Biden?

There's nothing unusual about the shots being taken at Biden by his opponents since he is at the front in the polls.
I bet that if he were to drop to #2 that pretty similar things would happen to the new leader.

[samnsara]

27. once he starts raping women, starts wars cuz his feefees are hurt and insults me daily

....and LIES on an hourly basis.. then I will reconsider my support. But he continues to make me feel safe..for all his faults..hes a far better person than I am.

[SharonClark]

28. Should be "What outrage will some Biden supporters gin up about DUers tomorrow?"

[StarfishSaver]

32. Indeed

[Demsrule86]

43. That is absolutely not true and should be deleted...as it smears Biden supporters...

We are part of DU .

[StarfishSaver]

47. Lol. Did you read the OP?

[jcgoldie]

52. +1

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[cwydro]

60. There does seem to be a great deal of defensiveness.

[LexVegas]

29. ...

[BeyondGeography]

30. Pundit coddling of Biden is a massive outrage

He fell apart in that debate and most of the talking heads couldn’t find a microphone quick enough to sing his praises. That pissed a lot of smart, highly engaged people off who feel as if a stale, subpar choice is being rammed down their throats. Biden’s Iraq answer was almost as bad as his legacy of slavery response but you wouldn’t know it from the teevee. So hooray for Twitter; it was good to see some balance restored to the discussion over the weekend.

I don’t give a shit about Corn Pop but it was mind numbing to see one of the worst performers on that stage graded on a curve just because he is the front runner. Nothing is being made up about that.

[redstatebluegirl]

37. I think a lot of them are trolls.

Putin doesn't want Biden as the candidate because he can beat his little puppet.

[Demsrule86]

44. We have to face facts..some are the same 'progressives' who helped Trump derail Hillary.

But are they Democrats?... I doubt it...Green slime perhaps?

[redstatebluegirl]

45. I agree, I think some of the "undecideds" are really backing someone they just know a lot of us will

block them when they start doing the things they did in 2016.

[BlueWI]

65. I'm sorry - did Biden win the nomination already?

Last I knew this was a primary. And the Democrats I know in real life enjoy discussion of different takes on the candidates. What happened to us on DU? Can't have a disagreement without someone being accused of being a troll?

Why are Biden supporters on DU so resistant to any critique of Biden for poorly chosen words? What if Sanders had said what Biden did in the debate? Biden supporters would set a new record for excoriating posts on this forum. You know it's true.

If we truly are a big tent party, gotta walk the talk and respect differences of opinion. Otherwise, what's the.point of a discussion board for Democrats?

[Chipper Chat]

48. I'm really worried about this:

Biden confessed he used to listen to Mantovani RECORDS (and on a record player). How can he be fit to serve as our president?

[Newest Reality]

53. Interesting Fact

Coyotes are faster than roadrunners when running at full speed. Coyotes can reach a maximum of 43 miles per hour. Maximum speed of a roadrunner is 20 mph.

Wile E. could have just chased the bird and caught it anytime. Hmm...

[redstateblues]

55. Roadrunner wasn't necessarily faster than Wile E. Coyote but he was smarter!

[LonePirate]

56. Not hard to gin up his coziness with corporate donors and millionaires.

People are so desperate to win that they are overlooking his behavior and campaign donors that normally generate outrage when applied to others.

[betsuni]

69. "They are overlooking his behavior and campaign donors that normally generate outrage"

What behavior do you mean?

[USALiberal]

62. Only 14 recs, hmmm! Nt

[DrFunkenstein]

67. Refusing To Allow Dissenting Voices To Question The Rush To Invade Iraq?

During the summer of 2002, as the Bush Administration was pushing for war, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, under Biden, had the opportunity to hear from any number of academics, former foreign service officials, United Nations personnel, and others specializing in Iraq. Public statements and leaks from the administration in the preceding months had been filled with false claims regarding Iraq’s military capabilities and links to terrorist groups while insisting a U.S. invasion and occupation of that country would go smoothly, with minimal casualties or other negative consequences.

When the hearings commenced on July 31, eighteen witnesses were called, none of whom challenged the administration’s claims that Iraq was in possession of chemical and biological weapons and a nuclear weapons program. All three witnesses who addressed the question of Al-Qaeda claimed that Iraq directly supported the Islamist terrorist group.

Despite overwhelming opposition among academics and foreign service officers familiar with the region, among the twelve witnesses who addressed whether the United States should invade, six were supportive, four were ambivalent, and only two opposed it. Among the witnesses was former Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, whom Biden insisted was credible despite multiple perjury indictments for lying before Congress and his history of grossly exaggerating the military capabilities of Nicaragua, Cuba, the Soviet Union, and other designated enemies of the United States.

Throughout the hearings, Biden insisted that Iraq was a threat to U.S. national security and that “regime change” was a legitimate U.S. policy. And he expressed skepticism that renewed inspections would work.

Scott Ritter, the former chief U.N. weapons inspector, noted just prior to the hearings, “For Senator Biden’s Iraq hearings to be anything more than a political sham used to invoke a modern-day Gulf of Tonkin resolution-equivalent for Iraq, his committee will need to ask hard questions—and demand hard facts—concerning the real nature of the weapons threat posed by Iraq.”

But Biden had no intention of doing so, refusing to even allow Ritter—who knew more about Iraq’s WMD capabilities than anyone and would have testified that Iraq had achieved at least qualitative disarmament—to testify. (Ironically, on Meet the Press in 2007, Biden defended his false claims about Iraqi WMDs by insisting that “everyone in the world thought he had them. The weapons inspectors said he had them.”)

Biden also refused to honor requests by some of his Democratic colleagues to include in the hearings some of the leading anti-war scholars familiar with Iraq and Middle East. Nor did Biden call some of the dissenting officials in the Pentagon or State Department who were willing to challenge the alarmist claims.

Ritter accused Biden of having “preordained a conclusion that seeks to remove Saddam Hussein from power regardless of the facts and . . . using these hearings to provide political cover for a massive military attack on Iraq.”

Had Biden allowed for additional hearings with a witness list more representative of the widespread opposition by those actually familiar with Iraq, it is possible the vote in the Democrat-controlled Senate authorizing the war could have turned out differently, and tragedy would have been averted.

https://progressive.org/dispatches/the-other-reason-biden-shouldnt-run-Zunes-190402/

[MustLoveBeagles]

68. Who knows, but I'm sure they'll think of something

[Laura PourMeADrink]

70. Disrupt us. Pan Impeachment talk against the monster. Pan the

front-runner.

[aikoaiko]

71. Joe is the gift that keeps on giving.