Bidencare... honoring or usurping Obama's healthcare legacy?

[bluewater]

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Hmmm.

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I dunno… to be honest I don't think it will go over well.

I think for the first time Biden referred tonight to his proposal to add a public option to Obamacare as “Bidencare.”

There is something just a little bit self aggrandizing for Biden himself to try and start labeling it "Bidencare".

Obamacare got it's name when the rThugs branded the ACA that in an attempt to slur President Obama. President Obama turned the tables by embracing the term and it remains popular today.

If I were Biden, I'd drop the "Bidencare" self promotion. He sorta has ruined that as a brand name by self promoting it.

[SCVDem]

1. Grab the label

before someone else does.

So much bitching!

He's like Obama! Wahhh!

He's too Biden! Wahhh!

New Rule! Support your candidate without denigrating the others!

That's asking too much from some, I know!

[onetexan]

26. burn!

great retort SCVDem!

[BlueMississippi]

2. The word is

"self-aggrandizing" not engrandizing.

The question remains -- do you get a warm feeling when you make all these anti-Biden posts?

[HeartlandProgressive]

7. the posting police?

what's wrong with the OP?

It's a current topic on twitter by a reporter from Bloomberg News.

Are you trying to discourage people from posting issues you rather not have discussed?

[Otto Lidenbrock]

3. Type in Bidencare into google and many news outlets have used the label

It's just a campaign premise at this time. So it's just shorter and catchier to say it that way.

[bluewater]

4. There is something just a little bit self aggrandizing for Biden himself labeling it Bidencare

Honestly, if I were in his campaign, I would tell him to not say it. Let other people label it.

Biden using the term himself at this point just seems off putting.

[lapfog_1]

6. The repukes invented the term "obamacare"

in an attempt to denigrate the ACA.

ended up years later to be NBD as people finally figured out that the provisions of the ACA were something they liked and were one and the same with "Obamacare".

Biden should label his health care plan as Bidencare now and own it before the repukes try to hang it on him... plus it is an easy moniker to distinguish it from M4A.

[Thekaspervote]

15. But you are not .....in his campaign.

[bluewater]

18. Hey, feel free to call it Bidencare -- shrug

If Biden or anyone else thinks it's an astute move politically to call it "Bidencare" instead of "Obamacare with a public option", well, go right ahead.

Biden himself calling it Bidencare just seems counterproductive and off message.

[SCantiGOP]

5. Biden is not in any way usurping Obamacare

What most people here ignore is that Obamacare passed by the tiniest of margins, and was in the end a minor version of what was originally wanted and proposed by the Obama Administration.
If Biden (or any other Dem) is elected in a landslide, many here act like that triggers an automatic passage of whatever the candidate is proposing. Can you really see Sanders or Warren's aggressive plan being adopted by the Senate which may still be in GOP control, or at best have several Joe Manchin types that will be more interested in the folks back home than passing a once in a generation social program?

Politics is the art of the possible. That, and the question of electability, are why I am supporting and working for Biden.

[crazytown]

9. A Public Option isn't going through

if the filibuster survives.

[Thekaspervote]

16. Nor is m4a, in fact it would have even less of a chance of survival

[Demsrule86]

30. The filibust won't survive because it can't...we won't have 60 for decades...not with the Senate map

what it is...and the public option will go through...but MFA won't pass the house...thank God. It would be a disaster worse than the roll out of the ACA which was really tough and cost us the house.

[Gothmog]

34. Warren and Sanders say Americans don't like their health insurance. Polls don't back that up

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[bluewater]

12. "Politics is the art of the possible. That, and... electability, are why I am supporting Biden"

Exactly.

That is why I feel it is a mistake for Biden to start self-labeling his healthcare plan "Bidencare".

I don't think i's an astute move politically.

One of Joe's greatest strengths with voters, especially black voters, is his support of the Obama presidency. If he, or anyone else for that matter, thinks the term "Bidencare" could not be a turn off for supporters of Obamacare, well, feel free to use the term.

I honestly don't recommend that Biden himself use the term in public.

[Thekaspervote]

17. I think the Biden campaign will handle it best how THEY see it

[bluewater]

19. If I were to bet money...

I would bet that the Biden Campaign would be telling Joe not to call it "Bidencare" himself, but to call it "Obamacare with a public option".

But hey, feel free to call it "Bidencare", who cares what some supporters of Obamacare think, like the person in that tweet, right?

[JI7]

8. huh ?

[OilemFirchen]

28. Me too.

Weird, but not entertainingly so. Just farking weird.

[Baked Potato]

10. I don't think it's usurping

VP Biden honors President Obama daily. I think it shows he is confident in his quest to perfect healthcare. He’s also owning the term before the republicans can twist it. IMO it’s good marketing and all candidates should personalize their own plans.

[Gothmog]

33. Yep

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[LanternWaste]

11. I'd pretend it's concerning as well.

Seems the shiniest object to throw at the wall this week. Fingers crossed it sticks!!!

[bluewater]

14. No skin off my nose lol

If Biden really thinks it's smart that he calls his own healthcare plan "Bidencare", well, I say he should go right ahead.

[BlueMississippi]

21. lol

Biden has proven himself to be rubber and the ultra left is glue.

[bluewater]

22. argyle?

[Zoonart]

13. Oh FFS....

Has anyone ever read the book, "Steal Like an Artist"?

All the best ideas are stolen and, if the "theif" is smart they are improved upon... THAT IS PROGRESS.

Picasso once said,"We are atanding on each others shoulders so tht we can see farther."

[Kingofalldems]

20. I just called the police!

[Skya Rhen]

35. +100,000,000

[Gothmog]

23. At the fundraiser that I attended on Friday in Houston, the host gave Joe a box of sharpies

Joe used these sharpies to sign three floor signs that I brought from the National Convention. I am not sure why sharpies are bad in this context.

Biden wants to build on the ACA. Biden discussed this at the fundraiser

[Thekaspervote]

24. Thx for post Gothmog..

[Midnight Writer]

25. As far as I'm concerned, he can call it a shit sandwich if he can get us a public option.

[treestar]

27. Who cares what it's called?

As long as it gets the job done.

[Tarheel_Dem]

29. What the hell is "upsurping"? Could that be considered a "gaffe"?

[Demsrule86]

31. Gaffes are not working so they are going for usurping....and God knows what they will think of next.

[Gothmog]

32. I really like this ad

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[Gothmog]

36. Speaker Pelosi-There's no need to reinvent health care -- just improve Obamacare

I agree with Speaker Pelosi https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/17/nancy-pelosi-no-need-to-reinvent-health-care-improve-obamacare.html?__source=sharebar|twitter&par=sharebar

Democrats should focus on making improvements to Obamacare instead of trying to reinvent the wheel with “Medicare for All,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Tuesday.

“God bless” 2020 Democratic presidential candidates putting forth Medicare for All proposals, Pelosi said in an interview with “Mad Money” host Jim Cramer. “But know what that entails.”

Pelosi’s thoughts on how to improve the nation’s health-care laws appear to align with those of former Vice President Joe Biden, who in his 2020 presidential bid is calling for building on provisions of Obamacare, formally known as the Affordable Care Act.

“I believe the path to ‘health care for all’ is a path following the lead of the Affordable Care Act,” Pelosi told Cramer. “Let’s use our energy to have health care for all Americans, and that involves over 150 million families that have it through the private sector.”