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OMG. Bernie says he wants us to take care of Vets. (Original Post) Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 OP
Wasn't BS the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs for years? George II Sep 2019 #1
I believe that's right. NurseJackie Sep 2019 #10
Yes. murielm99 Sep 2019 #13
Six years. Two years as the Chairman, 2013 to 2015. The VA scandal had been ongoing. Autumn Sep 2019 #21
Post removed Post removed Sep 2019 #2
"I see where Mr. Crenshaw is coming from." demmiblue Sep 2019 #18
+1 melman Sep 2019 #19
So what is he going to do to take care of me? wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #3
Wait .. NYMinute Sep 2019 #5
I'm due for a new iPhone... brooklynite Sep 2019 #7
I'm glad that when we bought a new car two weeks ago we decided to take out a loan... George II Sep 2019 #12
You can go to college until you are 40. Mr.Bill Sep 2019 #9
lol NYMinute Sep 2019 #4
What a Dbag that Crenshaw guy is. dewsgirl Sep 2019 #6
60% of Americans live Paycheck to Paychek ritapria Sep 2019 #8
It took decades to get to the point where the Canadians are today. We have a universal... George II Sep 2019 #14
Discouraging that so many replies here echo the Republican talking point... thesquanderer Sep 2019 #11
It's expected at this point melman Sep 2019 #15
Who are "they"? George II Sep 2019 #25
The ones that do that melman Sep 2019 #26
As I asked, who are "they"? George II Sep 2019 #27
The ones that do that melman Sep 2019 #28
No you didn't, but that's okay. George II Sep 2019 #31
Yeah I actually did melman Sep 2019 #33
That doesn't say who at all, it merely classifies those that do that. George II Sep 2019 #34
But it does melman Sep 2019 #35
He has put forth how things could be paid for "if"...... George II Sep 2019 #16
I don't understand the distinction you're making. thesquanderer Sep 2019 #17
Du is one-stop shopping these days Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #20
I've been on this site for 15 years, never shopped here. I shop on Amazon, Ebay, and other sites. George II Sep 2019 #32
I can only see eight posts (7, if post removed doesn't count). demmiblue Sep 2019 #22
LOL, yeah, I did a lot of blocking 4 years ago. Haven't started yet this time. ;-) nt thesquanderer Sep 2019 #23
I emptied my list years ago, and a lot of the same folks almost immediately made it back on. demmiblue Sep 2019 #24
what do you gain by that? Kurt V. Sep 2019 #29
And they will take the lead from a TX republican house member tweet and run with it . Sad. lunasun Sep 2019 #30
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
1. Wasn't BS the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs for years?
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 04:32 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
10. I believe that's right.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:02 PM
Sep 2019

That doesn't give me a whole lot of confidence.

These are fair questions and observations.

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murielm99

(30,733 posts)
13. Yes.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:24 PM
Sep 2019

And there were unconscionably long waits for vets to receive care.

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Autumn

(45,055 posts)
21. Six years. Two years as the Chairman, 2013 to 2015. The VA scandal had been ongoing.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:54 PM
Sep 2019
• Early 2012: Dr. Katherine Mitchell, a Veterans Affairs emergency-room physician, warns Sharon Helman, incoming director of the Phoenix VA Health Care System, that the Phoenix ER is overwhelmed and dangerous. Mitchell now alleges she was told within days by senior administrators that she had deficient communication skills and was transferred out of the ER.

• Later in 2012: The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs orders implementation of electronic wait-time tracking and makes improved patient access a top priority. In December, the Government Accountability Office tells the Veterans Health Administration that its reporting of outpatient medical-appointment wait times is "unreliable."

• March 2013: The GAO's Debra Draper tells a House subcommittee: "Although access to timely medical appointments is critical to ensuring that veterans obtain needed medical care, long wait times and inadequate scheduling processes at VAMCs (medical centers) have been persistent problems."

July 2013: In an e-mail exchange among employees at the Carl T. Hayden VA Medical Center in Phoenix, an employee questions whether administrators are improperly touting their Wildly Important Goals program. "I think it's unfair to call any of this a success when veterans are waiting six weeks on an electronic waiting list before they're called to schedule their first PCP (primary-care provider) appointment," program analyst Damian Reese complains.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2014/05/21/veterans-healthcare-scandal-shinseki-timeline/9373227/


In spite of—or perhaps because of—his aversion to war, Sanders has a long history of committed service to veterans. He became chairman of the Senate Veterans Committee in 2013, and that is how he wound up at the negotiating table with Sen. John McCain of Arizona and Rep. Jeff Miller of Florida.

They were driven there by scandal. Veterans across the country were waiting months on end for appointments and the wait times were being hidden. Up to 40 veterans in Phoenix died while waiting for appointments. Hundreds never even got onto a list. And retaliation was the order of the day for those who tried to blow the whistle.

From the moment the long-gathering scandal broke into public view in April 2014, it took Congress less than four months to produce a new law—a split second by Capitol Hill standards. That it happened at all, and so fast, was a testament to the determination of Sanders and his partners to surmount the red-blue divide in American politics. It speaks volumes in particular about Sanders, who pushes for a single-payer government health system in every speech, that the law introduced a private-care option for veterans.



https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/how-bernie-sanders-fought-for-our-veterans-119708

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Original post)

 

demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
18. "I see where Mr. Crenshaw is coming from."
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:39 PM
Sep 2019

Totally not surprised.

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
3. So what is he going to do to take care of me?
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 04:35 PM
Sep 2019

Maybe pay my house off or buy me a new car every other year?

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
5. Wait ..
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 04:39 PM
Sep 2019

There will be a "free automobile plan" costing $3.8 trillion soon -- geared to save the auto industry and autoworkers plus Americans who need a new car.

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brooklynite

(94,501 posts)
7. I'm due for a new iPhone...
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 04:45 PM
Sep 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
12. I'm glad that when we bought a new car two weeks ago we decided to take out a loan...
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:24 PM
Sep 2019

...instead of paying cash, just in case!!

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Mr.Bill

(24,280 posts)
9. You can go to college until you are 40.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:01 PM
Sep 2019

For free.

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NYMinute

(3,256 posts)
4. lol
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 04:37 PM
Sep 2019

In the last 100+ years, there has not been a single candidate of either party who did not want to take care of the veterans.

Mr. Crenshaw is probably upset that nothing was done when the candidate was the chair and ranking member of the Veterans' Affairs committee .. and suddenly, come election time, there is a new proclamation.

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dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
6. What a Dbag that Crenshaw guy is.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 04:40 PM
Sep 2019
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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
8. 60% of Americans live Paycheck to Paychek
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 04:56 PM
Sep 2019

Stagnant wages for 45 years …. Life expectancy falling …. People want the Universal Healthcare they get in "Communist" Canada …..Sound like spoiled brats to me

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George II

(67,782 posts)
14. It took decades to get to the point where the Canadians are today. We have a universal...
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:28 PM
Sep 2019

...healthcare insurance coverage* program today - it's called the Affordable Care Act (aka "Obamacare&quot If we proceed in getting it implemented the way it was intended we could be there long before the decades it took Canada to accomplish it.

*Reminder - "universal healthcare insurance" is completely different from "universal health care".

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thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
11. Discouraging that so many replies here echo the Republican talking point...
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:15 PM
Sep 2019

...about how our candidates are about free stuff for everyone.

The stuff Sanders suggest are not frivolous giveaways, and he has always put forth how things could be paid for.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
15. It's expected at this point
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:33 PM
Sep 2019

It's just what they do.

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melman

(7,681 posts)
26. The ones that do that
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:33 PM
Sep 2019

Obviously.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
27. As I asked, who are "they"?
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:35 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
28. The ones that do that
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:37 PM
Sep 2019

As I answered.

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Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
31. No you didn't, but that's okay.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:47 PM
Sep 2019
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melman

(7,681 posts)
33. Yeah I actually did
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:51 PM
Sep 2019

it's right here

As you can see it quite clearly says "the ones that do that"

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George II

(67,782 posts)
34. That doesn't say who at all, it merely classifies those that do that.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:54 PM
Sep 2019

But that's okay.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

melman

(7,681 posts)
35. But it does
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:57 PM
Sep 2019

"they" are the ones that do that. If you spot someone doing that in a thread...then you know that's them.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. He has put forth how things could be paid for "if"......
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:35 PM
Sep 2019

That's not putting forth how things could be paid for.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
17. I don't understand the distinction you're making.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:38 PM
Sep 2019

All proposals from all candidates--both what they do and how they are paid for--are contingent on "ifs"

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,324 posts)
20. Du is one-stop shopping these days
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:43 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

George II

(67,782 posts)
32. I've been on this site for 15 years, never shopped here. I shop on Amazon, Ebay, and other sites.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:49 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
22. I can only see eight posts (7, if post removed doesn't count).
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 05:56 PM
Sep 2019

DU is much more enjoyable without the constant drama.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

thesquanderer

(11,986 posts)
23. LOL, yeah, I did a lot of blocking 4 years ago. Haven't started yet this time. ;-) nt
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:09 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
24. I emptied my list years ago, and a lot of the same folks almost immediately made it back on.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:22 PM
Sep 2019

Now they can stay there!

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Kurt V.

(5,624 posts)
29. what do you gain by that?
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:38 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
30. And they will take the lead from a TX republican house member tweet and run with it . Sad.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:44 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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