Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBiden Quoting David Brooks Should Be Disqualifying Alone
Link to tweet
Per pool report, Biden quoted David Brooks tonight at a fundraiser in Potomac, MD and admitted that his staff wishes he wouldnt
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEt4vLsWwAABIYb?format=jpg&name=small
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)In some other circles people would be wondering if a cult is being formed around Biden where what he says or does not matter, the support and love will not be deterred.
What he says and does matters, it shows where his mind, his principles are, and where they are not. And that goes for every other candidate.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Our working center is broken. We're currently divided and conquered. Biden's trying to bring decent people who want to protect our nation together in a ruling majority by reminding that there's good sense to be found on both sides.
Remember, we've already a majority but need to grow more to overcome the electoral college. We're each of us either part of the solution or part of that hugely dangerous problem along with the trumpsters we despise.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)David Brooks IS evil.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LAS14
(13,749 posts).... and you're right, then our two-party democracy has no chance for a re-boot.
Who would you want to see as leaders of the loyal opposition when we regain the presidency and congress and the loyal opposition regains its sanity?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cartaphelius
(868 posts)three. More if I stop napping...
What else you got?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but are really just the the other side of the same hostile, irresponsible coin. Collectively, we have some real differences, but we're most of us far too much alike individually, especially those given to toxic hostility in both sides. Studies show all of us share the very same virtues and faults too strongly to be hating each other so delusionally.
Especially when none of us are going anywhere. Democracy can only function by people who disagree agreeing to come together. That's it. That's the representative government game.
If too many divided people refuse and fight to stay divided, the RW authoritarians will win. The combative left collectively just isn't as viciously ruthless and hate-full as its larger counterpart on the right. There are a lot more of them, and they're overall far more organized, committed, and obedient to authority.
On the plus side, the midterms brought out a lot more sensible people who aren't under the influence of toxic levels of delusional partisanship. But no one on the left should need to be saved by others from their own foolishness.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)This is one of the reasons why I think that Joe Biden is the best candidate. Who ever is the nominee will have to be prepared to fix all of the damage that trump has done to our government.
Link to tweet
One of the most underreported stories about the Trump administration is its basic incompetence. Perhaps Trumps biggest con of all was convincing his supporters that he was some sort of business wizard with a genius for management. In truth, the Trump Organization was a mom-and-pop family business that he repeatedly micromanaged to the brink of collapse. He is doing exactly the same with the government of the United States.
The White House itself is less like The West Wing than Game of Thrones. Courtiers vie for the favor of the Mad King, unable or unwilling to perform normal duties for fear of risking Trumps ire. Usually, the White House is a place where information from outside sources is synthesized and digested so the president can make the best possible decisions. Under Trump, the flow is reversed his whims, however ill-informed or contradictory or just plain loopy, are tweeted out and must be made into policy.
Agencies vital to our national security including the Department of Homeland Security and the Federal Emergency Management Agency lumber along, month after month, without permanent leadership. Its easier to make moves when theyre acting, Trump has said, but really the situation reflects his own insecurity. By keeping his underlings weak and beholden only to him, he limits their power and thus hamstrings the departments they nominally lead.
Joe Biden is the best candidate to repair the damage done by trump. I think that the repair of this damage will keep the next Democratic President very busy.
Joe Biden is talking about the concepts that are necessary for the repair of the soul of our country.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,206 posts)Biden is our best candidate to win the Electoral College and beat trump. It's so clear to see.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)would apply if one of the other candidates quoted a favorable comment from Charles Blow - the guy who causes DU Primary heads to explode when he said Biden's positions on race are problematic.
I think I know the answer, but it's an interesting thought experiment anyway.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)But of course you would never suggest that
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,110 posts)on their feet.
Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!! or
Elizabeth & Bernie 2020!!
Either way, welcome to the revolution!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
LAS14
(13,749 posts)... lost and which I hope comes back. If Warren doesn't give us the revolution, then Biden's my backup.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Butterflylady
(3,523 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
melman
(7,681 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)But, I really agree with his staff.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)And that's damn worrying.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)She can't take the states we need in the mid west...sure I would vote for her but it would be a disaster...could even lose the house...and you worry about an innocuous quote...you really must give me a list of who is bad and all...after all we must have purity. Thanks in advance for you help with purity info and all...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)and enact our policy for a change...will it be progressive as some want...probably not but we begin.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)and try to accommodate the notion of pulling in votes from the Right.
But, time will tell.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)time will tell.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)we need all the votes we can get from every slice of the spectrum. I don't see pushing a moderate agenda as the way to get them. In my opinion we need a bold move to change things and I don't see a moderate approach as being the way to get there.
The primary process will tell us who comes out on top.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)thinking if I am 'bold' about my beliefs,I will influence moderate voters...they will vote for the other guy or stay home...you have to sell progressive ideas before you can be bold about them...this has not happened. Maybe instead of taking blue seats...musical chairs...progressives could run for red seats in red or moderate states at all levels and get their message out. The presidential race is not where this should happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)disagree on the best approach.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
DownriverDem
(6,206 posts)President, no. Reality is right there for all to see. Sadly, too many voters will not vote for a woman.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
John Fante
(3,479 posts)and she was demonized 100x worse than Elizabeth Warren. Hillary Clinton got more votes than any Republican candidate EVER.
Threads like this are silly, but if Warren navigates the minefield that is the Democratic primary and emerges as the nominee, she will defeat Dotard in a general election.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,662 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,091 posts)And our numbers are growing, I believe.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
monmouth4
(9,664 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
crazytown
(7,277 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BeyondGeography
(39,283 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Celerity
(42,662 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,283 posts)Every one yields one unfortunate statement or another. This one is nothing compared with some others.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
mucifer
(23,374 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RelativelyJones
(898 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,909 posts)who throw around.. ".. this is disqualifying.. ".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,909 posts)the voters.. not the ones who throw around.. "this is disqualifying.."
The majority will decide what is "disqualifying".
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)I certainly would vote for Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DownriverDem
(6,206 posts)Biden leads in the polls, but left leaning websites support Warren? Tells me folks do not know how to win elections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,570 posts)..we just have to be willing to listen..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)But this is DU. You are not allowed to think for yourself! The horror!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oldsoftie
(12,410 posts)So no one thinks an invisible moral fabric holds the country together? If the "right" person had said it, people would be cheering the comment on.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,955 posts)they are doing, because this trivial crap does influence people toward their candidate in a negative way, and in case anyone has noticed, there is still a lot of undecided voters out there who are up for grabs
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(112,920 posts)the personal opinions posted by their supporters.
Why would any DU members post about their opinion on any story determine your regard for a Democratic candidate?
Most of us have been here long enough to know that getting through the primaries means letting the awkward and/or harmless opinion postings of others slide by.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)On edit this appears to say that you (personally) speak in such a way that folks dislike your (personal) candidate.
I did not mean this and will edit now to show my true meaning which is I have heard others (said to me and read it) that they dislike the (my in some cases) candidates of people who post what they consider offensive comments ...offensive being a number of things one might say.
I did not mean to imply that you have done this ever. Mea Culpa!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(112,920 posts)make me dislike the Democratic candidate they prefer.
I keep my immature thoughts in the Lounge where they belong.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)a bit and lower my blood pressure!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,955 posts)that it may creep in this time, though I am hopeful most have grown up beyond that
Yes, people should look at where the candidates stand on the issues, and the differences between the candidates on those issues, not on the sniping that occurs from supporters of various candidates outside of those issues, but human nature being what it is, I think it does unfairly influence some against that candidate
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
quickesst
(6,280 posts).... 5th, 10th, 22nd, 35th " should be disqualifying alone" thread? Maybe the 36th time will be the charm. So please.....
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primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
cwydro
(51,308 posts)Come on now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Raven123
(4,715 posts)I do not agree with most of his opinions, but I think over the years he generally has been a respectful presenter of his ideas. It would not be hard for Joe to find common ground with Brooks.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
dsc
(52,130 posts)but the mindset is indicitive of my biggest problem with Biden. He seems to be convinced that the GOP is going to cooperate with him if he wins and frankly that is nothing short of delusional. The GOP has shown itself clearly to not care about public will.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)done and then lose the next election? And the cycle starts anew...without cooperation which gave us all major legislation in the past...what path is there? We have an electoral college, we have red states with more cows than people that get the same number of senators as populous blue states...what is your plan...because little has been accomplished in the last decade...the one bright and shining policy achevement the ACA is under attack from the left and the right...so what can we do...fight with the GOP...get in a few zingers and all...yeah that will work.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Our system of government depends on compromise. If we dont control all 3 branches nothing gets done. Unfortunately it doesnt look like we will win the Senate looking at the current polling.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dsc
(52,130 posts)if you want the policies Biden or for that matter and Democrat is advocating you will only get them if you vote for a Democratic senator to implement them. It doesn't matter how much moderate mumbo jumbo they try to utter, they will do nothing, nothing, nothing to help advance Democratic policies.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Otto Lidenbrock
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
evertonfc
(1,713 posts)Only those so enthralled in a campaign a year out that they follow pool reports, would even know Biden was at a fundraiser. That's about one half of one percent of even the most political heads. People are busy working, going about thier lives and taking their kids to soccer practice to give a hoot in hell that Biden quoted David Brooks at some fundraiser in Sept of 2019. The outrage makes me more likely to support Biden now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Demsrule86
(68,351 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
themaguffin
(3,805 posts)Yawn.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Polly Hennessey
(6,746 posts)Oh, the horror, the horror. Some are becoming tiresome, tedious, and too, too predictable. Yawn!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)So, quoting columnist David Brooks is now disqualifying. Did anyone read the quote? Anyone have great outrage over the phrase 'invisible moral fabric' or the suggestion that it holds the country or any society together?
Oh, the horror!
This is just silly and frankly makes the tweeter look ridiculous. As well as anyone else getting on the silly train!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SharonClark
(10,005 posts)But just a damn stupid thing to say, particularly the cutsy "my staff doesn't like me quoting" part.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
awesomerwb1
(4,256 posts)Disqualify him!!!! ImMeDiAtElY!!!!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,279 posts)having a felony record or a history of cozying up to foreign dictators. Or, constitutionally speaking, being under 35 or not being a natural-born citizen. It's not quoting a conservative-ish mainstream NYT columnist. Quoting Hitler, yes; David Brooks, no.
Jeez, people. Can't you find something more convincing to hate him about?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Locrian
(4,522 posts)But I don't like a lot of his record:
https://theintercept.com/2019/09/17/the-untold-story-joe-biden-pushed-ronald-reagan-to-ramp-up-incarceration-not-the-other-way-around/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,279 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Locrian
(4,522 posts)Joe's history of crime and war on drugs (the article I linked) is not nitpicking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sugarcoated
(7,707 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
treestar
(82,383 posts)Hillary still won though she was disqualified for speaking the Kissinger. The voters did not realize she was disqualified. The DNC must have hidden that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)But for some oddly convenient reason, chum is not illegal.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LAS14
(13,749 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LonePirate
(13,386 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,272 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)The soul of our nation is at stake and Biden is allowed to talk about the "invisible moral fiber" that holds our country together.
Link to tweet
I am supporting Joe because he is the best person to repair the damage done to our country by trump
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)for unity around our shared democratic ideals, right out of the gate. Some DUers were very angry
about that, but the cry has been taken up in the field, so now its not a counter-resistance ploy,
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,279 posts)Disqualifying!!!!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)He's making a it a point to tell people his staff doesn't want him quoting right wing columnists but he's going to do it anyway.
Why is he doing that? What's the message there? And who is it meant for?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,279 posts)and most other people don't either. It bothers me more that Ann Coulter likes Bernie.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)Source for this assertion?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
rusty fender
(3,428 posts)Sheesh
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)with the David Brooks kerfluffle.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
blm
(112,920 posts)sorry for you.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)of her time? Anti-integrationist? You pick your own euphemism. She lived to be eighty-five, plenty of time to evolve.
Personally, I doubt Warren had looked at her racial views. I dont fault Warren.
But I sure dont fault Biden for quoting anti-Trumper David Brooks for something he said that is
relevant and profound for our times.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)saying that Francis Perkins was a racist? Can you point out any pro-segregation statements she made except the one that is being bandied about in the other thread on DU? You may or may not be aware, but Ms. Perkins had a very impressive CV. She served as FDR's Secretary of Labor where she helped establish strict child-labor regulations, a 40 hour work week, unemployment insurance, and drafted the Social Security Act. Prior to that she had been the executive Secretary for the Committee on Safety that investigated the Triangle Shirt Factory fire and worked to get legislation to protect the safety of workers. Yet you would condemn her on the basis of a Cherry picked quote that was virtually unknown until yesterday.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)was great. I am sure Warren had no idea what she has said.
P
Heres a new look at FDR.
Snip-
As a presidential candidate and during his four terms in office, Roosevelt had a close relationship with Southern Jim Crow Democrats (Dixiecrats) and often went out of his way to not disrupt the southern way of life of Jim Crow. Thus, he remained silent on segregation and in 1935 refused to support the federal anti-lynching legislation of the Costigan-Wagner bill. In 1937 FDR appointed Hugo Black, a U.S Senator from Alabama and known member of the Ku Klux Klan, to the US Supreme Court. Black went on to validate FDRs decision to incarcerate Japanese Americans by writing the courts majority opinion in the case of Korematsu v. United States. In 1941, FDR appointed James F. Byrnes, a former US Senator from South Carolina and staunch segregationist to the US Supreme Court. Byrnes left the court a year later to serve as FDRs Director of Office of Economic Stabilization, and between 1943-1945 served as the Director of FDRs Office of War Mobilization. Byrnes was on FDRs short list for Vice President in 1944.
Catering to the demands of Dixiecrats, FDR excluded Black workers from key provisions of the New Deal, as Juan Perea of the Loyola University School of Law describes it, to preserve the quasi-plantation style of agriculture that pervaded the still-segregated Jim Crow South. To do so, the New Deal was crafted to exclude agricultural and domestic workers from the Social Security Act (old-age benefits), the National Labor Relations Act (union rights) and the Fair Labor Standards Act (pay and hours standards). At the time, sixty-five percent of the Black workforce were agricultural and domestic workers. Filipino, Native, Japanese and other subordinated groups also made up a significant portion of the farm and domestic labor force. Writing in the Ohio State Law Journal, Juan Perea goes on to explain:
During the New Deal Era, the statutory exclusion of agricultural and domestic employees was well-understood as a race-neutral proxy for excluding blacks from statutory benefits and protections made available to most whites. Remarkably, despite these racist origins, an agricultural and domestic worker exclusion remains on the books today, entirely unaltered after seventy-five years. Section 152(3) of the National Labor Relations Act still excludes agricultural and domestic workers from the protections available under the Act.
Immediately following the 1936 Berlin Olympics hosted by Nazi Germany, FDR only invited white US Olympians to the White House, excluding eighteen Black athletes, including the four-time gold medal winner Jesse Owens. Owens would go on to comment, Hitler didnt snub me it was our president who snubbed me. The president didnt even send me a telegram.
https://truthout.org/articles/disrupting-the-myth-of-franklin-d-roosevelt-in-the-age-of-trump-sanders-and-clinton/
You know FDR signed an executive order for interning Japanese-Americans and that he was responsible for immigration policies that affected hundreds of thousands of Jews trying to escape
pre-holocaust?
Just saying, new scholarship looks at our most cherished heroes with different eyes than did history, which was written by white people and was white-centric. America was also gripped by anti-Semitic
fervor.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
tonedevil
(3,022 posts)that FDR while managing to save the country from fiscal ruin had a terrible record regarding race. Given the time it would be hard to seriously think that Ms. Perkins didn't at the least accept the view that non-white people were in some way inferior. I see no evidence that she was extrordinary in her racism or that she was particularly invested in it. White people were very racist at the time and in fact if you think we are so much better now take the Implicit Race Test https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/user/agg/blindspot/indexrk.htm and get to know yourself a bit. I know I was surprised.
As far as the new found concern that Perkins was a segrgationist other than the obscure interview, that I can't find evidence was ever published, there aren't any other incidence of her making such statements. If it is problamatic to praise Perkins due to the racism she participated in and aparently approved of there is no person that it isn't problamatic to praise.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)question what she is reported as having said, Thank you for the link.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)Thanks for playing though.
I only saw that afterward.
Things can be unrelated! Came across this on Twitter and with my own disgust toward Brooks over the years for some of his shit, agreed with tweet, posted tweet!
Conspiracy! Nope! Try again.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)fathom why you would post this. But o.k. you have a David Brooks thing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Blue_Adept
(6,384 posts)Hell, I voted for a Republican governor back in the day here in MA (Weld) because he was the better choice.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden