Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumCentrist politicians are denying the reality of lower
standard of living and abject poverty resulting from expanding numbers of robots removing human labor. There will be a need for sweeping social programs to provide a living for displaced workers.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
Uncle Joe
(58,107 posts)Thanks for the thread Prosper.
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ehrnst
(32,640 posts)The term "centrist" gets tossed around a lot as a vague perjorative. Indeed, I've heard Elizabeth Warren called that by certain segments of DU, and we both know how silly that is.
I'm sure you are more articulate, and won't fall into that trap.
You'll certainly be clearer, I'm sure.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
elocs
(22,474 posts)regularly get smeared as "DINOs" and "Republican Lite" by those who believe we are not liberal enough for them even though about half of those who call themselves Democrats consider themselves to be moderates or even, gasp!, conservative Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,172 posts)taking away jobs.
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LonePirate
(13,386 posts)Granted, most centrists are not racists like your typical right-winger. Otherwise there is not much daylight between them, especially on NIMBY types of issues at the core of the housing crisis in this country.
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BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
PETRUS
(3,678 posts)I've bumped into the following graphic several times (occasionally with commentary) while browsing the internet:
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TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)Perhaps the people who posted it don't realize that it was made to satirize the "horseshoe" theory that the right likes to use to criticize the left.
It's equally nonsensical. The difference is that, for the most part, the fishhook theory was *intended* to be nonsense, mocking the horseshoe theory.
"Critiques of the theory lead to alternative, equally fanciful squiggles such as the "question mark" or "fish hook" theory, which suggests the center and far-right have common ground.[4][5]"
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory
"While there have been cases made for the fish hook theory, it is has not been widely studied in political theory and it mostly inhabits popular discourse, as a means of satire intended to discredit the horseshoe theory."
https://en.everybodywiki.com/Fish_hook_theory
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PETRUS
(3,678 posts)He/she used it as launching pad for a few salient points. Among them, that the horseshoe theory is nonsense, and that what is described as "centrism" in the US is to the right of the majority of the public, and also that the support of "centrists" has often been essential to the implementation/perpetuation of right wing policies.
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mwooldri
(10,291 posts)... one would see that the vast majority of candidates are more on the right wing economically and more on the authoritarian scale as well.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020
And politically Bernie Sanders is to the right of Jeremy Corbyn - someone who Bernie gets compared with a lot. Elizabeth Warren is close to Bernie ideologically. The closest Democratic candidates to Trump/Pence politically are Pete Buttigeig and Beto O'Rourke.
One big thing that did shock me... Both Trump and Pence are to the right of (and more authoritarian than) Margaret Thatcher... go figure...
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)It's heavily Euro-centric, which is why some of the comparisons don't seem to make a lot of sense.
A better US-centric site:
https://ontheissues.org/
It better accounts for the scale of US politics. For example, it shows Buttigeig as a moderate liberal, but nowhere near Trump. I don't think it can be argued that they are even remotely similar politically. Most of our candidates are center-left or liberals.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Kaleva
(36,145 posts)For Freepers, The Bush's, Clinton's, Romney and Obama appear to be part of the same group.
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comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)any of our presidential candidates. Is there a source for your assertion?
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Prosper
(761 posts)of centrist capitulation. Commodities Futures Modernization Act. It allowed the deviation of money from goods and services jobs to speculative paper trading. The money for products jobs then went into zero velocity securities securitizing disassociated betting on non related outcomes. That was the introduction of the electronic robot taking jobs.
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brooklynite
(93,835 posts)A safety net for people displaced by automation with result in substantially higher costs than he's been talking about.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Prosper
(761 posts)velocity money back into the economy. Taxing speculative gambling will steer money back into the working economy. That results with spenders getting money to spend creating prosperity and generating tax income .
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BannonsLiver
(16,161 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
JI7
(89,172 posts)not sure what the OP is on about.
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gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)in the next 5-10 years this is something that is going to affect you profoundly.
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Mr.Bill
(24,103 posts)40 Hours has been the standard for a very ling time.
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zaj
(3,433 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yaesu
(8,020 posts)as leadership would respond to the needs of all income levels, helping level the playing field, a government for the people by the people including the poorest to the richest, BUT
We haven't been that kind of Democracy for decades, and we are no longer even a Democracy. Because of the lopsided government rule benefiting the wealthiest for so long centrists would do more damage than good. We need a progressive government to even the score, reverse the decades of majority benefits going to the wealthiest Americans.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
bucolic_frolic
(42,654 posts)only back then the perceived agent of unemployment was the assembly line and power tools.
As long as we can expand consumer demand to buy the output, it won't make a difference to employment, and more and more people can be employed designing, building, maintaining, operating the robots.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Prosper
(761 posts)Consumer demand is money. The financier motivation is cheaper, faster and easier. That translates into billionaires accumulating more money, money that wont get into the hands of people that will spend it. Critical cash has already been approached as half the people cant come up with $400 in an emergency.
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bucolic_frolic
(42,654 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Prosper
(761 posts)produced by the motivation of cheaper, faster and easier. Considering labor expendable totally without any consideration. 50 years of laws passed to facilitate the upward transfer of wealth are filling sidewalks, corners and abandoned areas with the homeless. DC has been moving homeless people into $2200 a month apartments with vouchers taking care of the rent.*
*https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-housed-the-homeless-in-upscale-apartments-it-hasnt-gone-as-planned/2019/04/16/60c8ab9c-5648-11e9-8ef3-fbd41a2ce4d5_story.html%3foutputType=amp
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Farmer-Rick
(10,071 posts)I say most everything because some things like French wine (but not wine in general) can not be made in the US.
If all those huge factories in China, India and other countries that sell their crap here were to be here providing those jobs to us then we would not need to worry about robots.
It's not robots taking away our jobs it's really bad Economic policy and CEOs. It's the capitalist kings who moved our jobs to foreign shores who are stealing our jobs and our national wealth.
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Prosper
(761 posts)It's not robots taking away our jobs it's really bad Economic policy and CEOs. It's the capitalist kings who moved our jobs to foreign shores who are stealing our jobs and our national wealth.
The motivation of opportunistic financiers is: Cheaper Faster Easier. The opportunistic financiers that took hope and fulfillment away from US workers consider everything and everybody to be expendable. The opposite of these event oriented opportunistic financiers are institutional oriented financiers that build companies that make products to sell. These factories get their value from the income and profit they make.
Institutions are social creations that give good livings and hope and satisfaction to citizens. Repeals are needed to terminate all the laws that created and legalized side betting on stocks and trade. Antitrust laws have to be put back into effect preventing hoarding of money into stagnated securitising positions. Wealth belongs to individuals but money that is the lifeblood of an economy belongs to the people and belongs in the economy that gives life to the people.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided