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It's the corruption, stupid. (Original Post) blm Sep 2019 OP
Won't play in the rust belt...try running on improving the ACA and adding a public option...I kind Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #1
Corn Pop won't play anywhere lame54 Sep 2019 #2
Agree...those who attempted to use itagainst Biden look silly. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #7
I'm from Ohio. I know corruption blocks common sense changes to accessible healthcare. blm Sep 2019 #4
I live in Ohio now...and know what is a voting issue...and courrption is not it.. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #5
So you want everyone to believe. blm Sep 2019 #9
2006 was a different kind of election...a midterm with a two term unpopular president. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #11
LOL. 2006 was a lot like 2018. CORRUPTION blm Sep 2019 #14
But hey if EW wants to run on corruption...fine with me. I doubt it even gets her the nomination. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #12
You 'find it difficult to think it ever was'. Then you don't pay attention blm Sep 2019 #18
She's on it BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #3
The courts will knock it down...seriously. Let's hear how this stuff gets done or doesn't which is Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #6
Just an FYI, "Who should government work for?" is a theme BeyondGeography Sep 2019 #8
She thinks Midwest voters are too dumb for such complex questions blm Sep 2019 #10
I think Mid Western voters have other priorities...but simple themes work better in presidential Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #15
And make the same false claims against Warren every time blm Sep 2019 #16
"simple themes work better in presidential elections... like Hope and Change" jcgoldie Sep 2019 #17
Too complicated...health care is the issue...I have no idea what her theme should be. Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #13
Corruption is a top issue. You just want to fight against Warren. blm Sep 2019 #19
He was a two term president...it was the last mid term...now, this is also Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #20
EVERY. ISSUE. IS. CAUSED. BY. CORRUPTION. AND. GREED. blm Sep 2019 #21
Can you support that premise with data leading to no other viable alternatives? LanternWaste Sep 2019 #22
so you are blaming Satan or just a heartless neutral universe? HeartlandProgressive Sep 2019 #23
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
1. Won't play in the rust belt...try running on improving the ACA and adding a public option...I kind
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 07:55 PM
Sep 2019

of think all those New Yorkers who are all in for corruption apparently will vote for us no matter what.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

lame54

(35,285 posts)
2. Corn Pop won't play anywhere
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 07:58 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
7. Agree...those who attempted to use itagainst Biden look silly.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:19 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,043 posts)
4. I'm from Ohio. I know corruption blocks common sense changes to accessible healthcare.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:10 PM
Sep 2019

I’m from Ohio. I know Corruption blocks common sense changes to gun laws.

I’m from Ohio. I know Corruption blocks common sense environmental progress.

I’m from Ohio. I know Corruption blocks common sense labor laws that would benefit working families.

I’m from Ohio. I know Corruption makes higher education inaccessible to working families.

Your rust belt Schlick is absurd. You want people to believe that appealing to the common sense leanings of working families will fail because rust belt voters have no common sense. I disagree. Most of them do. Your position is arrogant.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
5. I live in Ohio now...and know what is a voting issue...and courrption is not it..
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:17 PM
Sep 2019

I find it difficult to think it ever was.

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primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,043 posts)
9. So you want everyone to believe.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:29 PM
Sep 2019

The number one issue in 2006 election cycle was CORRUPTION. No pundit or strategist expected it, so the answer to the exit polls shocked them.

Bush and GOP Corruption demanded a course change. The American voter responded with a resounding victory in 2006 and 2008. Trump and his cabinet and Republicans in Congress are all steeped in corruption and the American working family will learn how that corruption is effecting their daily lives.

YOU think in stereotypes. I believe in the appeal of logic presented in the language of common sense. That is Warren’s superpower.

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Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
11. 2006 was a different kind of election...a midterm with a two term unpopular president.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:35 PM
Sep 2019

You can't compare the two. And we had Katrina and the wars...

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blm

(113,043 posts)
14. LOL. 2006 was a lot like 2018. CORRUPTION
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:42 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:49 AM - Edit history (1)

in the WH and GOP Congress was perceived by the majority of voters in 2006 and 2018.

Trump’s WH has already surpassed the corruption of Bush’s WH.

Your arguments against Warren are always based in your one-dimensional view of working family voters.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
12. But hey if EW wants to run on corruption...fine with me. I doubt it even gets her the nomination.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:36 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,043 posts)
18. You 'find it difficult to think it ever was'. Then you don't pay attention
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 07:58 AM
Sep 2019

as much as you think you do.

Corruption named as key issue by voters in exit polls

POSTED: 12:45 a.m. EST, November 8, 2006


(CNN) -- By a wide margin, Americans who voted Tuesday in the midterm election say they disapprove of the war in Iraq.

But when asked which issue was extremely important to their vote, more voters said corruption and ethics in government than any other issue, including the war, according to national exit polls.

A large majority of voters also disapproved of how Congress and President Bush are doing their jobs. However, Bush fared slightly better on that score than members of the GOP-led Congress.

And defying the traditional political maxim that "all politics is local," 62 percent of voters said national issues mattered more than local issues when deciding which House candidate to pick. (Watch how national issues are playing a more critical role than local issues, which could favor the Democrats -- 2:19 Video)

https://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/07/election.exitpolls/

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
6. The courts will knock it down...seriously. Let's hear how this stuff gets done or doesn't which is
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:18 PM
Sep 2019

what is what will probably happen. I have never seen a succesful nominee who ran on policy... and not great American themes.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
8. Just an FYI, "Who should government work for?" is a theme
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:23 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

blm

(113,043 posts)
10. She thinks Midwest voters are too dumb for such complex questions
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:35 PM
Sep 2019

Like, “Who do you think government should work for?”

Hey, that’s as simple a theme as it gets.....imagine how dense one would have to be to claim it’s too complicated.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
15. I think Mid Western voters have other priorities...but simple themes work better in presidential
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:44 PM
Sep 2019

elections...like Hope and Change...By the way, I can speak for myself...thanks.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,043 posts)
16. And make the same false claims against Warren every time
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:52 PM
Sep 2019

you jump into a pro-Warren thread.

You just can’t help yourself. Do you REALLY have to jump in and say the same thing over and over again? Try to show some self-restraint, please. Go post a positive thread for the candidate you prefer.

Stop hijacking positive threads for Warren. Thanks in advance.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
17. "simple themes work better in presidential elections... like Hope and Change"
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:57 PM
Sep 2019

Well I don't know if you are being sarcastic, but those themes seemed to work pretty well the last time we won. And in case you haven't been paying attention, Joe Biden was Obama's vice president, but he is clearly not the "yes we can" candidate this time around.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
13. Too complicated...health care is the issue...I have no idea what her theme should be.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:42 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,043 posts)
19. Corruption is a top issue. You just want to fight against Warren.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:01 AM
Sep 2019

Corruption named as key issue by voters in exit polls

POSTED: 12:45 a.m. EST, November 8, 2006


(CNN) -- By a wide margin, Americans who voted Tuesday in the midterm election say they disapprove of the war in Iraq.

But when asked which issue was extremely important to their vote, more voters said corruption and ethics in government than any other issue, including the war, according to national exit polls.

A large majority of voters also disapproved of how Congress and President Bush are doing their jobs. However, Bush fared slightly better on that score than members of the GOP-led Congress.

And defying the traditional political maxim that "all politics is local," 62 percent of voters said national issues mattered more than local issues when deciding which House candidate to pick. (Watch how national issues are playing a more critical role than local issues, which could favor the Democrats -- 2:19 Video)

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
20. He was a two term president...it was the last mid term...now, this is also
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 08:37 AM
Sep 2019

2006-pre-tea party...and before the ACA...I do not believe corruption is a voting issue...sure it is important but you must run on voting issues in order to win a general. Health care is big here in Ohio...and there is a great deal of anger towards Trump...but running on corruption is not goiing to sway the rust belt IMHO. When one supports a candidate, he/she has a tendency to agree with everything the candidate says or does...but step back and ask yourself...is someone in Wisconsin or Georgia as conerned about corruption as your candidate seems to be? I say no. Warren needs to pick one theme and use it...like Hope and Change...short, succint and positive.

Now as we have discussed, I don't want Warren to be the nominee, I think she wins the popular vote and loses the EC like Hillary, but I don't dislike her. She is a great Senator...just don't see her winning the presidency. However, should she be the nominee which I view as unlikely, she has my undying support in all areas including but not limited to fundraising, campaign work and of course getting out the vote/voting.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

blm

(113,043 posts)
21. EVERY. ISSUE. IS. CAUSED. BY. CORRUPTION. AND. GREED.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 09:09 AM
Sep 2019

And, especially regarding health care and the environment and social justice.

You didn’t even know that corruption was the top issue in the historic 2006 election. The pundits and strategists who think like you didn’t expect it, either. Many of us at DU at the time did know it.

Trump’s corruption is even more visible in 3yrs than Bush WH after 6yrs.

Your claim on this thread that corruption isn’t an issue now and that you doubt it ever was an issue for voters is demonstrably uninformed.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
22. Can you support that premise with data leading to no other viable alternatives?
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 10:53 AM
Sep 2019

"EVERY. ISSUE. IS. CAUSED. BY. CORRUPTION. AND. GREED."

Can you support that premise with objective data which implicitly denies all other viable alternatives other than the one you provided?

Or is simply another t-shirt slogan pretending to be clever?






(My guess is you'll fail to provide evidence, and rationalize an editorial as objective... but that's simply a guess)

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23. so you are blaming Satan or just a heartless neutral universe?
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 03:45 PM
Sep 2019

ok...

silly to think that people cause most of the problems for other people

slavery... blame the cosmos?

child labor... can't point fingers?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
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