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ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:18 PM Sep 2019

Would it affect your vote if Elizabeth Warren moved toward the Medicare and private option

approach to healthcare (aka Medicare for All who want it)?

I think the only thing that could potentially hold Sen Warren back from the nomination is her current stance on healthcare. I'm hoping that she's limiting the amount of details she gives out because she knows she will have to pivot more to the center when it's just her and Biden or Harris left on the field.

Right now, many people dismiss the idea of Medicare for all because it seems like an impossible suggestion.

But what if it's not impossible?

If it's not impossible, then people like me are forced to reevaluate our support because there are too many unanswered questions regarding the logistics of how Medicare for all would be implemented. The current system accounts for about 20% of our economy. That's not something that can be shut down overnight. What would happen to the people and businesses whose livelihoods are directly or indirectly tied into the private insurance industry in one way or another? It could be a really good thing or some people could end up worse off.

A lot of Biden's detractors wonder why so many people are sticking by him--they frantically bring up his gaffes, but Biden's detractors are not considering that perhaps some people take Bernie and Elizabeth at their word with regard to MFA, and they are simply trying to protect their healthcare and/or insurance related jobs, businesses, or investments.


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Would it affect your vote if Elizabeth Warren moved toward the Medicare and private option (Original Post) ecstatic Sep 2019 OP
Healthcare will not be the deciding factor in the nomination. maxsolomon Sep 2019 #1
You are wrong about that. redstateblues Sep 2019 #3
this is very wrong. 2018 campaigns were very much about healthcare JI7 Sep 2019 #6
Was 2016? maxsolomon Sep 2019 #11
the resistance was fighting to save health care. look at the campaigns that were JI7 Sep 2019 #15
It was the #1 issue in exit polls in 2018. TwilightZone Sep 2019 #18
M4A is a landslide loser in the General and she knows it. redstateblues Sep 2019 #2
Yes sharedvalues Sep 2019 #4
Winning the nomination is dependent upon her moving center first. ecstatic Sep 2019 #8
She has too many plans and no way to implement them or to pay for them once implemented. I emmaverybo Sep 2019 #22
M4A is political suicide. nt BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #14
Totally redstateblues Sep 2019 #20
That's the core issue that's holding back my support... brooklynite Sep 2019 #5
No option for "my vote wouldn't change?" Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #7
Sorry, I added a few options to the list. nt ecstatic Sep 2019 #9
Thanks Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #13
Last two choices? DrToast Sep 2019 #10
Those choices weren't there when I posted Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #12
Clearly that will help, although she may have gone too far in for most voters to believe it, Hoyt Sep 2019 #16
I voted other. Nothing would change in my opinion of her. She's a close 2nd to my favorite & gaining Runningdawg Sep 2019 #17
I prefer Rebl2 Sep 2019 #19
If Mayor Pete is my "Choice #1", then Elizabeth Warren is my "Choice #1A", so I'm bullwinkle428 Sep 2019 #21
 

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
1. Healthcare will not be the deciding factor in the nomination.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:23 PM
Sep 2019

And certainly not a major issue in the General.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
3. You are wrong about that.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:24 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

JI7

(89,241 posts)
6. this is very wrong. 2018 campaigns were very much about healthcare
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:30 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
11. Was 2016?
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:44 PM
Sep 2019

2018 was about Resistance. I'd have voted for a Yellow Dog with a D after it's name in 2018. I'm lucky I got to vote for Pramila Jayapal.

2020 is about saving the Republic first and foremost.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

JI7

(89,241 posts)
15. the resistance was fighting to save health care. look at the campaigns that were
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:49 PM
Sep 2019

run in districts.

maybe in very blue districts with safe democratic seats things might have been different.

but the flipped districts were very focused on saving health care.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
2. M4A is a landslide loser in the General and she knows it.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:23 PM
Sep 2019

M4A has served her well so far but she probably can see the polling data.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
4. Yes
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:25 PM
Sep 2019

Her current plan is to go exactly as far left as Bernie so he can’t outflank her on the left. Then when she wins the nom she’ll tack to the center.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
8. Winning the nomination is dependent upon her moving center first.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:33 PM
Sep 2019

In my opinion. But I fully get that she has to knock Bernie out first. I wish he'd just drop out!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
22. She has too many plans and no way to implement them or to pay for them once implemented. I
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:53 PM
Sep 2019

consider that to be a failing. Boldness for the sake of boldness is flawed leadership. Huge waste of energy dreaming up pie in the sky when she could have been working on do-able policy.

She has never given me any sense of what qualifies her to be a leader of a superpower, THE leader
of the free world, to lead the international community, to deal with a world growing closer than ever before to a first nuclear catastrophe.

If she dreams up one more plan, I think I will stop reading anything about her. I notice when she is
not giving the occupy wall street economics lecture and not explaining one of her plans or unveiling a new one, she hasn’t much conversation.

She has discovered the black electorate, but rather late in the day. Now she is outreaching to black leaders. Hey, Liz, they were there all along.

I don’t think the problem in her potentially attaining a wider base is where she gets labeled on the political spectrum, but how wise or foolish her proposals are both in terms of political and financial
capital. I wonder too if she understands all she will have to do to rebuild the broken infrastructure
Trump will have left behind. And will she, between policy designing and implementing, have time to
Work on getting Iran back to the table, broker agreements between Israel and Palestinians?

Does she realize the Republicans want to cut social security while she is giving everyone two hundred more a month? No mention of protecting it as is, first order of biz. Oh, and while waiting to
roll out M4All, Repugs want to cut Medicare and Medicaid. No mention. Big ideas...

If I were to vote in a presidential
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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
14. M4A is political suicide. nt
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:45 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
5. That's the core issue that's holding back my support...
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:27 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Clash City Rocker

(3,390 posts)
7. No option for "my vote wouldn't change?"
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:31 PM
Sep 2019

I trust her to find a smart solution. Smart politicians aren’t afraid to change their plan if it proves unworkable politically, or in practice.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Joe Biden
 

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
9. Sorry, I added a few options to the list. nt
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:33 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Clash City Rocker

(3,390 posts)
12. Those choices weren't there when I posted
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:45 PM
Sep 2019
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Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
16. Clearly that will help, although she may have gone too far in for most voters to believe it,
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:52 PM
Sep 2019

especially in General Election.

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Runningdawg

(4,514 posts)
17. I voted other. Nothing would change in my opinion of her. She's a close 2nd to my favorite & gaining
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 08:55 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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Undecided
 

Rebl2

(13,471 posts)
19. I prefer
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:00 PM
Sep 2019

Medicare for all who want it. I like my health insurance and don’t want it taken away from me.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bullwinkle428

(20,628 posts)
21. If Mayor Pete is my "Choice #1", then Elizabeth Warren is my "Choice #1A", so I'm
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:06 PM
Sep 2019

not really sure how to answer the poll, but she would essentially be adopting Mayor Pete's position on health care, which I believe in my heart is the way to go.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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