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Joe BidenCongratulations to our presumptive Democratic nominee, Joe Biden!
 

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:10 PM Sep 2019

Watching national head-to-head polls against Trump.

I'll be voting in the primary for the candidate with the highest margin in a head-to-head race with Trump. Period!

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
1. With all the resistance to Biden if he's still polling the highest..
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:12 PM
Sep 2019

when voting starts, I'll be very happy to cast my vote for Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
2. I will be voting Democrat in 2020, don't care if it is a real donkey.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:17 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
3. Based on which Poll(s)? Things are not so simple as one might think.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:20 PM
Sep 2019

Based on which polls? They often vary.

You will be using the poll(s) for your state primary, correct? Not national polls?

Or will you base it on head to head polls in key swing states?

Will you average them?

Will you choose the "best" poll?

If you average the polls, do all polls count the same regardless of pollster ratings?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
5. Based on the aggregate of polls.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:22 PM
Sep 2019

So far, I think they all show Biden with the largest margin against Trump. I can only vote in my state's primary, but I'm watching nationwide. We must win in 2020. The candidate with the best chance of doing that will get my primary vote, absolutely, with no exceptions.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
7. Aggregate of National or key battleground state polls?
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:25 PM
Sep 2019

In key battleground state head to head polls Biden does not always lead, for example.

Winning the popular vote does not win the election as we all know too well.

Also what time window will you be using? Bernie Sanders has often tied Biden in head to head polling versus Trump.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
9. Show me.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:30 PM
Sep 2019

As for the time window, my primary is on Super Tuesday. That's when I will cast my primary vote. So, clearly, I will have to decide by then, won't I?

Key states? Well, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin. That's where we lost in 2016, so they're important.

If you have information that seems important to you, please share it.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
10. You announced your plan, I am just asking for details about it. Please answer this simple question.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:33 PM
Sep 2019

So, are you going to be aggregating NATIONAL head to head polls versus Trump, or will you be aggregating key battleground states needed to win the electoral college head to head polls?

You said you were basing your decision on who was strongest in an aggregate of head to head polling versus Trump, so did you mean in NATIONAL polls, or polls in key battleground states?

As we are all well aware, winning the popular vote does not always mean winning in the electoral college.


If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
11. I'll be considering all of the polls, giving weight to them as
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:38 PM
Sep 2019

I see fit. As I said, as far as I know, right now Biden is leading in that factor everywhere. Head-to-head polling with Trump has not been done in every state.

Of course I understand the role of the Electoral College, which is why I mentioned the three states I mentioned. I've been doing politics all my adult live, and that's over 50 year. I'm not a beginner at this.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bluewater

(5,376 posts)
14. "As I see fit" So your plan is somewhat nebulous at this point in time?
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:58 PM
Sep 2019

Ok...



I can easily see where one candidate can lead in the National head to head polls versus Trump and another lead in the head to head polls in key battle ground states.

"As I said, as far as I know, right now Biden is leading in that factor everywhere. Head-to-head polling with Trump has not been done in every state."

Well, a quick check of polling at RCP Polls shows that Sanders has often tied Biden in head to head polls against Trump in key states.
Florida, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, for example.

SO, the question remains: Should NATIONAL head to head polls be given equal weight to head to head polls in key battleground stats?

Your plan of weighting these "AS I see fit." seems much less straight forward and less simple then as presented in the OP:

Watching national head-to-head polls against Trump.

I'll be voting in the primary for the candidate with the highest margin in a head-to-head race with Trump. Period!


So, by "Period!" you actually meant "As I see fit" to weight these... ok... thanks for sharing this plan...

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
13. It will be interesting to see who's leading after either Warren or Sanders drop out.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:56 PM
Sep 2019

I saw a chart that showed most of their support will transfer to the other if/when one of them drops out. If that happens I believe the survivor will have a considerable lead over Biden.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Undecided
 

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
4. As will I, MM
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:20 PM
Sep 2019

I'm particularly focused on the electoral college, the state-to-state margins. Because that's where the real battle will be as we sadly learned last time out.

Losing is not an option.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
6. That sounds like a good plan.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:25 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
8. I think so. Given the possibility of election
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:28 PM
Sep 2019

manipulation, the larger the margin the less chance of something screwing things up.

For the sake of the nation and my general sanity, we must win in 2020. I see no alternative.

Frankly, we will have all we can do in the next Presidential term to correct all of the harm Trump has done. That will be the challenge, not any pie-in-the-sky aspirational issues. We have to undo the harm Trump has caused as Job 1.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
16. We need to see what the state polls say. There will for certain be manipulation...
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 02:09 PM
Sep 2019

probably like we've never seen before. So we need an EC cushion that would hopefully be a counter to the states where there is manipulation.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

wysimdnwyg

(2,231 posts)
12. Congratulations
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:43 PM
Sep 2019

I will be voting for the person I believe will do the best job as President. It just so happens I also believe she is the best candidate to take on Trump in the general.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
15. Same!
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 01:59 PM
Sep 2019

If that's Joe, it'll be Joe. If that's Elizabeth, it'll be Elizabeth. So far, it's pretty clearly been Joe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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