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George II

(67,782 posts)
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:13 PM Sep 2019

Working Families Party Staffers Face Harassment After Warren Endorsement

BY CHARLOTTE ALTER UPDATED: SEPTEMBER 19, 2019 7:51 PM ET

In the days since the Working Families Party endorsed Senator Elizabeth Warren for President on Monday, staffers at the progressive group have received hundreds of furious messages, including several using racial slurs against black staffers and at least one celebrating a junior employee’s rape.

Maurice Mitchell, the National Director of the Working Families Party (WFP) and an organizer with the Movement for Black Lives, received messages calling him a “half man” and “Uncle Tom,” and telling him to “go back to his slave masters,” according to emails and tweets reviewed by TIME.



WFP organizer Ember Ollom, a rape survivor who has tweeted about her assault, received a message that said: “We were raped by this process, so I’m happy it happened to you.”

When Ollom tweeted about the harassment, more people responded to tell her she was lying.

(MUCH more)....

https://time.com/5681261/working-families-party-harrassment/

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Working Families Party Staffers Face Harassment After Warren Endorsement (Original Post) George II Sep 2019 OP
Ah.. ".. racial slurs against Black staffers.. " :( Cha Sep 2019 #1
Remember Portland 2016 and what happened to the BLM people at a Bernie rally. Blue_true Sep 2019 #11
Sounds like solid analysis Cha Sep 2019 #12
Yes. A lot of populists are at least somewhat socially conservative. Hortensis Sep 2019 #41
Dolores enid602 Sep 2019 #72
I haven't. The way Sarandon treated that legend was beyond shameful. nt Blue_true Sep 2019 #125
Ay Caramba!! LakeArenal Sep 2019 #2
They have no self awareness. Cha Sep 2019 #3
That's horrible MustLoveBeagles Sep 2019 #4
As a young man , Bernie marched with Dr. King ritapria Sep 2019 #5
Yeah we know. That doesn't excuse Cha Sep 2019 #6
OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those are not real Berners, but ratf**kers deliberately tblue37 Sep 2019 #69
I Was Going To Say That Me. Sep 2019 #70
No we don't.. Cha Sep 2019 #124
Bernie isn't responsible for these assholes did MustLoveBeagles Sep 2019 #7
He's responsible for Sirota, Turner, and Gray. George II Sep 2019 #9
Good reminder, George! Cha Sep 2019 #14
Yes he is MustLoveBeagles Sep 2019 #144
He already has cannabis_flower Sep 2019 #10
GMTA--I suggested the same thing: ratf**kers nt tblue37 Sep 2019 #71
No he didn't! He was AT the "March on Washington" back in 1963, along with 249,999 others.... George II Sep 2019 #8
Moscow Mitch was also in that crowd... SidDithers Sep 2019 #23
Was going to post the same.... Docreed2003 Sep 2019 #26
Bazinga! George II Sep 2019 #35
+1 dalton99a Sep 2019 #38
Thank you -- was coming here to state this obamanut2012 Sep 2019 #46
He attended a speech by Martin Luthur King. They didn't march together. comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #13
He also chained himself to a black woman... SidDithers Sep 2019 #22
Oh, right!!! An actual black woman. ehrnst Sep 2019 #126
Um, no, he didnt: LongtimeAZDem Sep 2019 #24
When I was younger I was a community organizer with Barack Obama. Oh wait, no.... George II Sep 2019 #36
He didn't march "with" Dr. King PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #47
So did Mitch McConnell mcar Sep 2019 #56
Yes, Ritapria, Sanders IS responsible as a populist leader Hortensis Sep 2019 #68
+1 betsuni Sep 2019 #138
The lives and myths of Bernie Sanders wasupaloopa Sep 2019 #94
Well, then so did Charleston Heston, by that definition. ehrnst Sep 2019 #123
Then he can disavow them and their aggressive harassment, but he doesn't, a fact that shows a emmaverybo Sep 2019 #127
LOL nini Sep 2019 #137
This type of conduct will alienate voters Gothmog Sep 2019 #15
BS is finished already PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #49
The WFP should release the vote count. Put all this conspiracy shit to rest. TCJ70 Sep 2019 #16
Long form birth certificate. Transcript of paid speech. Emails. Conspiracy theory. betsuni Sep 2019 #17
Ugh... TCJ70 Sep 2019 #20
WFP is a private organization -they don't have to do anything PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #50
Do you know the process they used for this vote? TCJ70 Sep 2019 #51
So what? Their organization, their rules PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #52
I LITERALLY WROTE "OBVIOUSLY NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO AN ENDORSEMENT". It's a rare day... TCJ70 Sep 2019 #55
I saw it ... but the rest of your post negated that line. n/t PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #59
TCJ, as Betsuni so succinctly says. You didn't really believe dozens of state Hortensis Sep 2019 #81
Just like PhoenixDem...why are you injecting arguments that weren't made... TCJ70 Sep 2019 #82
Harassment is harassment, regardless of the target. Hortensis Sep 2019 #84
They can make their own rules, just as the DNC can make their own rules..... George II Sep 2019 #98
I never said otherwise, only said what I thought would be... TCJ70 Sep 2019 #100
Who is "lumping all Sanders supporters into one category?" ehrnst Sep 2019 #130
PheonixDem did. And I quote: TCJ70 Sep 2019 #132
I thought that was about his staffers. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #142
No one from the campaign is among the people in the complaints... TCJ70 Sep 2019 #143
Hillary "didn't clear up her speeches?" ehrnst Sep 2019 #90
As far as I know... TCJ70 Sep 2019 #91
Right, she thought that releasing her tax returns for 10 years was more important. ehrnst Sep 2019 #93
Ok. TCJ70 Sep 2019 #104
Ok. ehrnst Sep 2019 #105
She was a private citizen when she made those speeches, why should she have to.... George II Sep 2019 #99
Nothing that you wrote is relevant to the conversation at hand. TCJ70 Sep 2019 #103
Well, there were those who were going to jump on anything, real or fictional ehrnst Sep 2019 #106
It only continued to follow her because one person wouldn't let it go..... George II Sep 2019 #117
"Yet he was still hammering away at Clinton, invoking the words betsuni Sep 2019 #134
And the smearing of WFP continues. ehrnst Sep 2019 #128
This mcar Sep 2019 #58
... OilemFirchen Sep 2019 #61
It's 2019...not 2015. TCJ70 Sep 2019 #64
What "controversy"? (n/t) OilemFirchen Sep 2019 #65
That's why it's in quotes. n/t TCJ70 Sep 2019 #66
So much hate, you'd think these were Trump supporters IronLionZion Sep 2019 #18
must.. hold.. my.. tongue! -nt. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #27
Wish I could say what I think but I shouldn't. redstatebluegirl Sep 2019 #30
They are cranky and hateful like the old man dalton99a Sep 2019 #39
They could be trolls IronLionZion Sep 2019 #85
WFP is getting the same treatment Warren got from Sanders supporters when she endorsed HRC ehrnst Sep 2019 #129
Fucking despicable. Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #19
That really does reveal quite a lot, doesn't it? NurseJackie Sep 2019 #21
These miscreants have no place in our party DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2019 #25
+100, but I'm sure a lot of the most passionate aren't or Hortensis Sep 2019 #29
Williamson says love will defeat hate IronLionZion Sep 2019 #101
Tweets from Bernie and Nina Turner Autumn Sep 2019 #28
Yeah, that should do it LongtimeAZDem Sep 2019 #31
Not here to argue it. Just posted their responses condemning those actions, take it as you will. Autumn Sep 2019 #33
Two sentences from BS and one from NT. On twitter! George II Sep 2019 #32
If they are asked about it by the media I'm sure there will be more said. Posted because I Autumn Sep 2019 #37
Passive wording that doesn't include "I" doesn't really project ehrnst Sep 2019 #107
And BS' tweet doesn't address the problem of his supporters directly, just another campaign pitch. George II Sep 2019 #139
Yep. ehrnst Sep 2019 #141
A day late and a dollar short PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #43
Turner has no room to lecture anyone obamanut2012 Sep 2019 #48
I think she does, those people should not be posting things like that to the WFP staff. Autumn Sep 2019 #62
Would have been nice to have said "I, along with my campaign, condemn..." ehrnst Sep 2019 #73
Another missed opportunity. What a shame. NurseJackie Sep 2019 #114
Turner has said worse things about Hillary BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #87
Hear hear. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #108
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #77
That is just wrong...no one should allow this in their campaign...it makes Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #34
Lol @ "allow this in their campaign" Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #40
By setting an example PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #45
Question for you. What has he said or done that encourages someone to say anything Autumn Sep 2019 #53
Even the condemnations are done with a wink and a nod. PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #57
Which parts are the wink and a nod? No politician can "command" supporters to do anything Autumn Sep 2019 #67
It's not that he literally "encouraged" them to bully someone, of course he didn't ehrnst Sep 2019 #83
BS can command PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #86
I'm a supporter and I don't yell because he yells, I don't see it as yelling either. He talks loud Autumn Sep 2019 #89
lol PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #92
I disagree that Bernie gives tacit approval of of such tactics. I've seen nothing like that. Autumn Sep 2019 #95
By not stomping out militancy at every step he does imply approval n/t PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #102
Okay, sure. NurseJackie Sep 2019 #140
He couldn't and wouldn't want to do that. His brand is based in anger, and wanting people to be ehrnst Sep 2019 #122
Complaints about supporters' tone have been ubiquitous BlueMississippi Sep 2019 #88
I have seen similar actions and conduct close up by sanders supporters Gothmog Sep 2019 #63
I remember. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #78
Did he publicly condemn the jeering of Rep. John Lewis by his supporters ehrnst Sep 2019 #75
It's not necessarily what he has said and done that are the problem.... George II Sep 2019 #96
I asked what Bernie has done George. Do you have a link to what Briahna Gray did? Autumn Sep 2019 #110
It's on twitter. She posts her tweets under her own name. So Sanders is absolved.... George II Sep 2019 #111
Do you have a link? I looked at a Briahna Gray on twitter and didn't see it. nt Autumn Sep 2019 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author TexasTowelie Sep 2019 #113
They run off the page quickly, hard to keep up with. But if you're on twitter, just follow her.... George II Sep 2019 #116
Thanks for the whole twitter name, I'll look for it. nt Autumn Sep 2019 #118
You're welcome. You might want to look at David Sirota's account, too... George II Sep 2019 #119
The sanders campaign had veto rights over his delegates at the national convention Gothmog Sep 2019 #79
Don't ignore this. Call it out ...say it won't be tolerated...that will stop some...any who are Demsrule86 Sep 2019 #80
You mean like he's already done? Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2019 #97
What about when they aren't anonymous twitter trolls? What if they're right there in front of him. ehrnst Sep 2019 #109
I doubt he wrote it himself. Those are someone else's words. He missed a golden opportunity... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #115
Well, I'm sure after it was written, he had to approve it. I understand that nothing happens without ehrnst Sep 2019 #120
Agreed. Something like that should get his personal attention... NurseJackie Sep 2019 #133
lulz George II Sep 2019 #135
Is anyone surprised? PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #42
No Gothmog Sep 2019 #60
Yes you have. crazytown Sep 2019 #74
A replay of 2016 obamanut2012 Sep 2019 #44
This is disgusting mcar Sep 2019 #54
If Bernie had won the WFP endorsement does anyone think Warren's comradebillyboy Sep 2019 #76
+1000. (nt) ehrnst Sep 2019 #121
Excellent question, comradebillyboy! Cha Sep 2019 #131
... Scurrilous Sep 2019 #136
Another victim Gothmog Sep 2019 #145
 

Cha

(296,848 posts)
1. Ah.. ".. racial slurs against Black staffers.. " :(
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:17 PM
Sep 2019

I wondered why there were the "racial slurs" that I had been reading about.

Glad WFP is speaking out about this harassment.. Thank you, George!

Business as usual.

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Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. Remember Portland 2016 and what happened to the BLM people at a Bernie rally.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:59 PM
Sep 2019

I seriously think that Bernie attracts a lot of Whites that have no core values other than Bernie is saying what they want to hear (lots of free stuff). Since they have no core values, they threaten anyone that threaten their ability to get what they desire.

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Cha

(296,848 posts)
12. Sounds like solid analysis
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:14 AM
Sep 2019

to me... and it only backfires.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
41. Yes. A lot of populists are at least somewhat socially conservative.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:03 PM
Sep 2019

Not all are. But as you say, they're all concerned with social programs. Those drawn to populist leaders vary; but regardless of what some might have, for sure values aren't what rule these mobs.

In fact, Scientific American reported on research that showed a dominating characteristic of populist movements is antagonism.

I think a lot of people see these behaviors and assume they're fringe when in fact they're manifestations of populism's dominating features. How many people know populist movements in democracies by their very nature exist to overcome majority rule? Their leaders typically pose as reformers and never say that, of course, until or if they give a huge clue by trying to subvert elections.

Happily, our LW populist movement failed last time and is doing significantly worse this time as well. Lost a lot of those who don't need antagonism topped up to candidates who don't sell it.



The Personality Trait That Is Ripping America (and the World) Apart: People who are antagonistic resonate more with populist messages
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/beautiful-minds/the-personality-trait-that-is-ripping-america-and-the-world-apart/



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enid602

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72. Dolores
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:59 PM
Sep 2019

And don’t forget Dolores Huerta.

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Blue_true

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125. I haven't. The way Sarandon treated that legend was beyond shameful. nt
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:10 PM
Sep 2019
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LakeArenal

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2. Ay Caramba!!
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:17 PM
Sep 2019

‘Merika gets worse everyday.

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Cha

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3. They have no self awareness.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:19 PM
Sep 2019
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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
5. As a young man , Bernie marched with Dr. King
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:22 PM
Sep 2019

Is he responsible for the actions of a couple of nuts spewing out racial slurs …..?

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Cha

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6. Yeah we know. That doesn't excuse
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:25 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:22 AM - Edit history (1)

these supporters who harass those at WFP for endorsing Elizabeth Warren.

ETA~ As posted down thread.. It isn't correct to say BS "marched" with MLK.. he attended MLK's speech.

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tblue37

(65,227 posts)
69. OTOH, I wouldn't be surprised if some of those are not real Berners, but ratf**kers deliberately
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:54 PM
Sep 2019

sowing animosity among Democrats.

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Me.

(35,454 posts)
70. I Was Going To Say That
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:55 PM
Sep 2019

As for him not being responsible for the way his supporters behave, do we say the same about traitor trump's supporters? You can tell what a person is like by the company they keep.


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Cha

(296,848 posts)
124. No we don't..
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:03 PM
Sep 2019

Good point.

Do anyone of the Dems' supporters act out like that?

Hoaaloha!

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MustLoveBeagles

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7. Bernie isn't responsible for these assholes did
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:32 PM
Sep 2019

All the same I think he needs to make a statement condemning this. This should have no place in our party.

Edit: I'm not ruling out the possibility that it was RW trolls posing as Bernie supporters. They'll do anything and everything to divide us.

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George II

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9. He's responsible for Sirota, Turner, and Gray.
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:48 PM
Sep 2019
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Cha

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14. Good reminder, George!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:19 AM
Sep 2019
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MustLoveBeagles

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144. Yes he is
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 09:25 PM
Sep 2019

That's one of the many reasons I'm not supporting him in the primary this time around. I just can't rule out RW shitstiring completely.

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cannabis_flower

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10. He already has
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:49 PM
Sep 2019

Sanders himself has long refrained from personal attacks on his rivals or their supporters, and has been quick to decry harassment undertaken in his name. “This campaign condemns racist bulling and harassment of any kind, in any space” Sanders tweeted Thursday. “We are building a multiracial movement for justice—that’s how we win the White House.”

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tblue37

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71. GMTA--I suggested the same thing: ratf**kers nt
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:56 PM
Sep 2019
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George II

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8. No he didn't! He was AT the "March on Washington" back in 1963, along with 249,999 others....
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 11:46 PM
Sep 2019

...in this crowd:

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SidDithers

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23. Moscow Mitch was also in that crowd...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:55 AM
Sep 2019

But nobody in their right mind would try to use Mitch’s attendance at that speech to suggest he’s been fighting for Civil Rights for 50+ years.


Sid

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Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
26. Was going to post the same....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:50 AM
Sep 2019

Spot on

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obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
46. Thank you -- was coming here to state this
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:14 PM
Sep 2019
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comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
13. He attended a speech by Martin Luthur King. They didn't march together.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:17 AM
Sep 2019

Mitch McConnell was in the audience as well. Did Mitch march with Dr. King too?

How is any of this relevant to the WFP controversy?

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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
22. He also chained himself to a black woman...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:52 AM
Sep 2019

I can’t get Bernie Civil Rights bingo if you don’t mention that too.

Sid

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ehrnst

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126. Oh, right!!! An actual black woman.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:18 PM
Sep 2019
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George II

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36. When I was younger I was a community organizer with Barack Obama. Oh wait, no....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:41 AM
Sep 2019

...I saw him speak in Bridgeport CT in 2014.

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PhoenixDem

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47. He didn't march "with" Dr. King
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:16 PM
Sep 2019

He was one in a crowd of hundreds of thousands.

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mcar

(42,278 posts)
56. So did Mitch McConnell
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:33 PM
Sep 2019

And yes, Bernie should speak out when the harassment is being done by his supporters.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
68. Yes, Ritapria, Sanders IS responsible as a populist leader
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:50 PM
Sep 2019

who has actively worked to draw these people to him. As I said in another post, aggressively antagonistic group behaviors are not, as many assume, atypical in populist movements. No, they're not the duds who seem to pop up everywhere.

These are manifestations of dominant characteristics of populist movements.

And Sanders had to know that when he decided to become a leader of a populists, harnessing these antagonisms and resentments to win power. That, btw, is why he also tries to draw populist followers away from Trump. By definition, a majority of those drawn to populist messages tend to be economically left and socially right -- in a wide range of mixtures found across the political spectrum.

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wasupaloopa

(4,516 posts)
94. The lives and myths of Bernie Sanders
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:32 PM
Sep 2019

Marched with Dr King that conard is brought on stage every time Bernie and racism appear in the same sentence

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ehrnst

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123. Well, then so did Charleston Heston, by that definition.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:51 PM
Sep 2019

Does that justify or bestow "civil rights cred" on anything he did or said in the decades afterwards? No.

For the umpteenth time, that's not a relevant retort or substitute for a progressive and articluate position concerning race and white supremacy, as Sanders learned at the She the People forum. Nor does it excuse being tone deaf or slow to condemn racist acts on the part of his supporters in his name.

And no, it wasn't just a couple, and they were doing it in his name. It's not the first time that his supporters have organized to harass a group they feel 'betrayed' Sanders, and he needs to understand that no matter how unhappy he is with the target of the harassment, he needs to make a PERSONAL and sincere denouncement of that kind of behavior.

Yes, that WFP endorsement of Warren must have really, really stung - not just him but many of his most fervent supporters, who feel that Sanders represents their anger.

Especially since Bernie has called the WFP “the closest thing there is to a political party that believes in my vision of democratic socialism.”

I find it interesting that he didn't use the term "I" or even "My campaign" in his tweet, or name WFP and support them.

Not surprising, but interesting.

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emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
127. Then he can disavow them and their aggressive harassment, but he doesn't, a fact that shows a
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:18 PM
Sep 2019

failure of leadership at the very least, at the worst tacit approval.

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nini

(16,672 posts)
137. LOL
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:57 PM
Sep 2019

This is becoming funny to see that repeated so much.

Let me know when he gets into the 21st century and shows some work that is MLK in nature.

At the very least he should tell his followers to knock that shit off. but.. crickets...

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Gothmog

(144,924 posts)
15. This type of conduct will alienate voters
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:08 AM
Sep 2019
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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
49. BS is finished already
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:17 PM
Sep 2019

He should just drop out of the race to stop this divisive crap

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
16. The WFP should release the vote count. Put all this conspiracy shit to rest.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:34 AM
Sep 2019

If Bernie lost, great. I’d prefer if Warren won. If not, then they didn’t listen to their members and validated the complaints about their process.

NOTHING justifies threats against anyone else, but only the WFP can clear this up and for some reason, they aren’t.

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betsuni

(25,380 posts)
17. Long form birth certificate. Transcript of paid speech. Emails. Conspiracy theory.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:39 AM
Sep 2019

Bullshit.

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
20. Ugh...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:14 AM
Sep 2019

The best solution for conspiracy theories is daylight. It causes people who hold onto those theories to be considered fringe.

Obama cleared it up.
Hillary didn’t clear up her speeches.
The emails were put out there and largely ended things except for the fact that there was 20 years of bullshit thrown at her.

The vote count is the EASIEST thing to clear up and they’re choosing the paid speeches route. Their choice. Opaqueness is not the best course here.

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PhoenixDem

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50. WFP is a private organization -they don't have to do anything
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:20 PM
Sep 2019

No one is "entitled" to an endorsement. If you get it, fine, celebrate. If you don't, shrug and move on. BS's people feel entitled and this has been going on for four long years.

What about accepting losses graciously?

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
51. Do you know the process they used for this vote?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:26 PM
Sep 2019

They had two groups vote and weighed them equally. The two groups were:
- Their membership
- A 56 person board

Each of those groups were given 50% consideration in the final tally. 56 people given as much weight as many thousands. It wouldn't take very many of those 56 people to throw the results from the membership another direction. Making the vote count transparent would immediately remove any validity to the complaints they're getting about it.

Obviously nobody is entitled to an endorsement and I don't think anyone is making that argument (you seem to have pulled that out of nowhere). The only people who can clear the air here are the WFP. They're choosing not to. If they don't, that's on them.

Let's not be so quick to lump all Sanders supporters into one category, yeah?

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
52. So what? Their organization, their rules
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:28 PM
Sep 2019

Was BS "entitled" to an endorsement?

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
55. I LITERALLY WROTE "OBVIOUSLY NO ONE IS ENTITLED TO AN ENDORSEMENT". It's a rare day...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:32 PM
Sep 2019

...when someone just obviously stops reading a post half way through and completely gives it away.

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
59. I saw it ... but the rest of your post negated that line. n/t
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:35 PM
Sep 2019
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
81. TCJ, as Betsuni so succinctly says. You didn't really believe dozens of state
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:20 PM
Sep 2019

Democratic parties stole their states' primary elections from Sanders last time, did you? This response is SOP for these people.

We saw it against not just state and national Democratic organizations but everyone from the AA monolith, to various unions, to entertainment figures, to Planned Parenthood, and so on. Anyone who endorsed the opponent became a target of their aggressive hostility.

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
82. Just like PhoenixDem...why are you injecting arguments that weren't made...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:23 PM
Sep 2019

...where did I mention anything about state primaries?

The one, and ONLY, point I am making, is that if the WFP cares about this "controversy" they are the ones that can clear it up. The vote count is the vote count. If he lost, he lost. Put it out there. If they aren't concerned about it, then they aren't.

I have no skin in this game as I'm not supporting Sanders.

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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
84. Harassment is harassment, regardless of the target.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:30 PM
Sep 2019

It's also regardless of the method. A lot of lawsuits were filed against state parties and then dropped once the media moved on. Don't for a moment imagine the people of all those states wanted their donations to end up being used to answer phony, harassing lawsuits. OR for special security to guard against hack attacks, threats against officials and their homes, and mobs at party events.

Congrats on having Warren for a choice this time. Some of the same people are drawn to her, but they'll be the better for it if they stick. Good leaders elevate, and Warren feeds aspirations, not antagonisms.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
98. They can make their own rules, just as the DNC can make their own rules.....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:40 PM
Sep 2019

Why is it that Sanders and/or his surrogates and supporters are always trying to tell organizations that they don't belong to how to run their organization?

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
100. I never said otherwise, only said what I thought would be...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:43 PM
Sep 2019

...the best way to deal with this particular “controversy”.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
130. Who is "lumping all Sanders supporters into one category?"
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:29 PM
Sep 2019

Straw man much?

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
132. PheonixDem did. And I quote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:08 PM
Sep 2019
shrug and move on. BS's people feel entitled and this has been going on for four long years.


It’s in the post just before mine that you replied to. Your welcome for the explanation.
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
142. I thought that was about his staffers. (nt)
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:06 PM
Sep 2019
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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
143. No one from the campaign is among the people in the complaints...
Sun Sep 22, 2019, 07:32 PM
Sep 2019

...at least not that I’ve seen. Also, there’s nothing in the post to indicate that it is just about his staff.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
90. Hillary "didn't clear up her speeches?"
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:14 PM
Sep 2019

What does that mean?

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
91. As far as I know...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:23 PM
Sep 2019

...she never released them. The point was that it remained a problem for her, even if you personally didn’t view it as a problem, that just kept boiling. The best thing she could have done in that situation was put them out there or explain why she couldn’t. She chose neither.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
93. Right, she thought that releasing her tax returns for 10 years was more important.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:32 PM
Sep 2019

The speech transcripts seemed to be far, far more important than personal financial transparency to some when it came to a POTUS candidate.

I have no idea why.

Privacy is considered to be sacred when it comes to some public figures, but suspect and nefarious when it comes to their opponents.


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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
105. Ok.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:00 PM
Sep 2019

Not sure what that had to do with my post.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
99. She was a private citizen when she made those speeches, why should she have to....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:42 PM
Sep 2019

..."clear them up"? Up until the time that issue was raised by one person those speeches were never an issue.

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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
103. Nothing that you wrote is relevant to the conversation at hand.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:57 PM
Sep 2019

The point is that it was something that continued to follow her. I made no statement on whether or not it should have been a problem to begin with.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
106. Well, there were those who were going to jump on anything, real or fictional
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:03 PM
Sep 2019

as "evidence" that she wasn't ethical.

No use in pandering to those whose minds are made up, no matter what.

They were a huge nothingburger when Wikileaks released them, but there was still a feeding frenzy.

Ironically, now that shoe is on someone elses' foot.



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George II

(67,782 posts)
117. It only continued to follow her because one person wouldn't let it go.....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:14 PM
Sep 2019

....and if we're going to stick to what is relevant to the conversation at hand, we should be discussing "Working Families Party Staffers Face Harassment After Warren Endorsement".

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betsuni

(25,380 posts)
134. "Yet he was still hammering away at Clinton, invoking the words
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:23 PM
Sep 2019

'Goldman' and 'Sachs' as often as possible, and delivering crowd-pleasing sarcasm about Clinton's unreleased transcripts of her speeches. Ignoring the fact that the fees, outrageous as they are, are standard (if not on the low side) for famous folk, he used the line, over and over: 'It must be a fantastic speech, a brilliant speech which you would want to share with the American people. It must be Shakespearean!' As to the DNC emails, as Sanders himself later admitted, we surely would have found emails just as nasty, if not worse, had Sanders been hacked as well. ... Did he do serious damage to Clinton's chances of winning over Trump every time 'devil' and 'demon' were used to describe her and he offered no protest, every time he portrayed her as the servant of Wall Street whose impending victory was stolen from 'the people' by a 'corrupt' DNC? Again, yes. Undoubtedly yes." Susan Bordo.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
128. And the smearing of WFP continues.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:20 PM
Sep 2019


Warren got the same treatment from Sanders supporters when she endorsed HRC.

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OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
61. ...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:37 PM
Sep 2019
Did the Working Families Party disclose their vote totals for the 2016 Primary endorsement?

No.


In the fall of 2015, the Working Families Party conducted a combined membership-drive and open poll among its enrolled members on whom to endorse for President in 2016; the result being Bernie Sanders. Official numbers were not disclosed but party spokesman and co-founder Dan Cantor said the results were "overwhelmingly" in favor of Sanders, with some sources stating it was an 87 to 12 to 1 percent vote with Sanders over Hillary Clinton and Martin O'Malley respectively.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_Families_Party#2010s
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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
64. It's 2019...not 2015.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:39 PM
Sep 2019

They're free to clear it up if they want. If not, then that's how it goes. The "controversy" exists now so what 2015 has to do with it adds up to about zero.

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OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
65. What "controversy"? (n/t)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:42 PM
Sep 2019
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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
66. That's why it's in quotes. n/t
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:43 PM
Sep 2019
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IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
18. So much hate, you'd think these were Trump supporters
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:41 AM
Sep 2019


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Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
27. must.. hold.. my.. tongue! -nt.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:51 AM
Sep 2019
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redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
30. Wish I could say what I think but I shouldn't.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:30 AM
Sep 2019
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dalton99a

(81,404 posts)
39. They are cranky and hateful like the old man
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:47 AM
Sep 2019
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IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
85. They could be trolls
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:38 PM
Sep 2019

I hope we don't have such hateful people on our side

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
129. WFP is getting the same treatment Warren got from Sanders supporters when she endorsed HRC
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:22 PM
Sep 2019
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Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
19. Fucking despicable.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 07:46 AM
Sep 2019

I can't imagine what sad pathetic state of mind one must be in to get all cranked up about who the WFP endorses.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
21. That really does reveal quite a lot, doesn't it?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 09:45 AM
Sep 2019

It's one thing to be disappointed... but they really do feel like they're ENTITLED to something, don't they?

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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,708 posts)
25. These miscreants have no place in our party
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 10:37 AM
Sep 2019
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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
29. +100, but I'm sure a lot of the most passionate aren't or
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:27 AM
Sep 2019

are only registered to be able to vote in the primaries.

Boy, deja vu all over again.

This intensely hostile behavior toward anyone who crosses them suggests the populist faction's aggressive antagonisms are still leading the class-revolution faction. Of course. All too common, and a mercifully small but nasty illustration of what's threatening governments around the planet.

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IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
101. Williamson says love will defeat hate
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:48 PM
Sep 2019

and there is a lot of hate out there that needs to be defeated

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LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
31. Yeah, that should do it
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:31 AM
Sep 2019
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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
33. Not here to argue it. Just posted their responses condemning those actions, take it as you will.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:36 AM
Sep 2019

IMO some are probably Bots.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
32. Two sentences from BS and one from NT. On twitter!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:35 AM
Sep 2019
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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
37. If they are asked about it by the media I'm sure there will be more said. Posted because I
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:42 AM
Sep 2019

hadn't seen their responses posted yet. Not here to argue it.





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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
107. Passive wording that doesn't include "I" doesn't really project
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:06 PM
Sep 2019

as much of a personal negative reaction to these people as "this campaign."

He, or Sirota, or whoever wrote it could have made a better choice there. But everything that his campaign does is always subject to Bernie's approval, as I hear.

I imagine he felt very betrayed by the WFP after saying that they were the closest thing to a political party that he felt embodied by Democratic Socialism, but I think he could have demonstrated more personal displeasure at what his supporters did to them in revenge.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/9/16/20868862/working-families-party-endorsement-bernie-sanders-elizabeth-warren

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George II

(67,782 posts)
139. And BS' tweet doesn't address the problem of his supporters directly, just another campaign pitch.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 12:08 AM
Sep 2019
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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
43. A day late and a dollar short
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:11 PM
Sep 2019

BS had four whole years to instill some discipline. This problem is not new -- it was pointed out a long time ago.

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obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
48. Turner has no room to lecture anyone
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:16 PM
Sep 2019
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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
62. I think she does, those people should not be posting things like that to the WFP staff.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:37 PM
Sep 2019

As a supporter of Liz and Bernie I would have been very upset had Bernie and Nina not responded to those attacks.





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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
73. Would have been nice to have said "I, along with my campaign, condemn..."
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:04 PM
Sep 2019

rather than referring to 'the campaign" condemning the actions.

Makes it more personal.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
114. Another missed opportunity. What a shame.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:09 PM
Sep 2019

This makes me think less of him.

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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
87. Turner has said worse things about Hillary
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:50 PM
Sep 2019

She has no room to condemn anyone. She resonates the campaign's militant tone. The campaign is primarily a militancy - not an ordinary political campaign.

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Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
34. That is just wrong...no one should allow this in their campaign...it makes
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:37 AM
Sep 2019

their candidate look bad.

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,313 posts)
40. Lol @ "allow this in their campaign"
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 11:50 AM
Sep 2019

Tell me how a candidate stops anonymous internet twitter and other trolls from posting?

Yeah yeah, I know, fire up the outrage Wurlitzer. Some anonymous person said something mean on Twitter.



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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
45. By setting an example
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:13 PM
Sep 2019

Unfortunately, all the yelling, screaming and finger wagging sets a bad example.

Furthermore, in the past, this behavior was tolerated -- which is as good as encouraging it.

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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
53. Question for you. What has he said or done that encourages someone to say anything
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:30 PM
Sep 2019

even close to what is posted in the OP? He didn't tolerate it in the past, he condemned it then also.

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
57. Even the condemnations are done with a wink and a nod.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:34 PM
Sep 2019

He bears 100% responsibility. Perhaps his entire leadership should go on TV shows and tell the supporters to stop this militant posture. Command them, order them, make it imperative that it should stop.

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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
67. Which parts are the wink and a nod? No politician can "command" supporters to do anything
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:44 PM
Sep 2019

They are not kings. Not Bernie. Not Biden. Not Liz. People are responsible for their own actions. Can you answer my question?

What has he said or done that encourages someone to say anything even close to what is posted in the OP? He didn't tolerate it in the past, he condemned it then also.


I would just like to see a couple of actions where he encouraged anyone to do anything like that or talk about anyone in the way those people who attacked the staff of the WFP did.
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
83. It's not that he literally "encouraged" them to bully someone, of course he didn't
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:27 PM
Sep 2019

Last edited Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:16 PM - Edit history (1)

But in the past, a lack of public condemnation of harassment and jeering of those who endorsed other candidates by his supporters, or slurs against his opponents even after the primary was over, may have given the impression to some that he wasn't terribly disturbed by it.

There are those here on DU who think that a lack of strong enough action and words on the part of Congress to rebuke DT's actions could possibly encourage him, and give him a sense of impunity.

That's something that all Democratic candidates whose supporters are harassing entities that endorse other candidates should keep in mind.

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
86. BS can command
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:43 PM
Sep 2019

his supporters are devoted to him and take cues directly from him. His anger and his yelling is directly the inductive force that drives the anger of his supporters.

He can calmly say, "if you cannot control your anger, stop supporting me"

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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
89. I'm a supporter and I don't yell because he yells, I don't see it as yelling either. He talks loud
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:10 PM
Sep 2019

and it's magnified by the mics at his speeches and rallies. He did better than saying if you can't control your anger stop supporting me. He told them that what they were doing is racist bullying and harassment. And he and his campaign condemns racist bullying and harassment of any kind, in any space. Nina called them cowards.

His anger doesn't drive his supporters. His supporters, who are largely younger are angry because of the way things are. They are burdened with debt, most homeownership is out of their reach, and they face an uncertain future.

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
92. lol
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:23 PM
Sep 2019

"He doesn't yell - he just talks loud" is like saying "Chicken is not frozen, it has just been in a freezer too long"

All candidates use a mic -- and their voices amplified -- so nice try.

Young kids have been burdened with debt since 1980 and they were never so angry until BS showed up. There have been several Democratic conventions since 1968 (when the young ones were actually dying) and there has not been a convention since 1968 where delegates of one candidate misbehaved including bullying the delegates of other candidates until 2016. No one condemned their behavior.

Maxine Waters was harassed at the California convention and her speech was downed out --- no one condemned that. There is tacit approval by Bernie of such tactics. He likes the militancy.

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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
95. I disagree that Bernie gives tacit approval of of such tactics. I've seen nothing like that.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:34 PM
Sep 2019

You have a nice day and a belated welcome to DU.

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
102. By not stomping out militancy at every step he does imply approval n/t
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:55 PM
Sep 2019
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
140. Okay, sure.
Sat Sep 21, 2019, 08:31 AM
Sep 2019
I don't see it as yelling either. He talks loud





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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
122. He couldn't and wouldn't want to do that. His brand is based in anger, and wanting people to be
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:47 PM
Sep 2019

angry is his goal.

He relies on anger in his supporters to make his message work.


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BlueMississippi

(776 posts)
88. Complaints about supporters' tone have been ubiquitous
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:53 PM
Sep 2019

for 4 long years. This is the first time someone has said anything and that too because it is beginning to cost votes.

Like someone said up there -- "a day late and a dollar short"

Tolerating such behavior for 4 years sends an implicit message of encouragement.

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Gothmog

(144,924 posts)
63. I have seen similar actions and conduct close up by sanders supporters
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:39 PM
Sep 2019

what has sanders done to stop this type of behavior?

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
78. I remember. (nt)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:08 PM
Sep 2019
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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
75. Did he publicly condemn the jeering of Rep. John Lewis by his supporters
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:05 PM
Sep 2019

at the Convention?

I must've missed that.

Those weren't bots.

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George II

(67,782 posts)
96. It's not necessarily what he has said and done that are the problem....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:35 PM
Sep 2019

....(although he's ignored or avoided issues, as we all know), it's what the people he has hired have said and done, starting with Sirota. He was so vicious on twitter that once he was formally hired by the campaign he felt the need to delete more than 20,000 tweets.

Just today Briahna Gray posted someone's personal information on twitter, a supporter of Senator Harris. It has been reported to twitter. This is his National Press Secretary! Is he not responsible for her behavior?

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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
110. I asked what Bernie has done George. Do you have a link to what Briahna Gray did?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:11 PM
Sep 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
111. It's on twitter. She posts her tweets under her own name. So Sanders is absolved....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:12 PM
Sep 2019

....of anything his closest advisers and employees do in his name?

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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
112. Do you have a link? I looked at a Briahna Gray on twitter and didn't see it. nt
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:14 PM
Sep 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
116. They run off the page quickly, hard to keep up with. But if you're on twitter, just follow her....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:13 PM
Sep 2019

....she has two or three zingers a day:

Briahna Joy Gray @briebriejoy

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Autumn

(44,982 posts)
118. Thanks for the whole twitter name, I'll look for it. nt
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:19 PM
Sep 2019
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George II

(67,782 posts)
119. You're welcome. You might want to look at David Sirota's account, too...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:25 PM
Sep 2019

He's even worse than Ms. Gray, although he has toned it down of late:

David Sirota @davidsirota

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Gothmog

(144,924 posts)
79. The sanders campaign had veto rights over his delegates at the national convention
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:17 PM
Sep 2019

National convention delegates are representatives of their candidate. Are you proud of the way that sanders delegates represented sanders?

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Demsrule86

(68,469 posts)
80. Don't ignore this. Call it out ...say it won't be tolerated...that will stop some...any who are
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:19 PM
Sep 2019

working for the campaign at any level engaged this behavior gets kicked out...

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Hassin Bin Sober

(26,313 posts)
97. You mean like he's already done?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:40 PM
Sep 2019

Great. Glad that’s settled. Anonymous twitter trolls are hereby forbidden to post racist stuff. Let’s see if it sticks.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
109. What about when they aren't anonymous twitter trolls? What if they're right there in front of him.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:10 PM
Sep 2019

In the past, a lack of public condemnation of harassment and jeering of those who endorsed other candidates by his supporters, or supporters chanting slurs against his opponents even after the primary was over, may have given the impression to some that he wasn't terribly disturbed by it.


That hasn't been forgotten, and I really hope that's something he learned from.

However saying "This campaign" not even "My campaign" or better yet "I" condemn... isn't quite what one would hope from a candidate to indicate that the behavior of these people was really upsetting to him personally.



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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
115. I doubt he wrote it himself. Those are someone else's words. He missed a golden opportunity...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:11 PM
Sep 2019

... and as a result I respect him less.

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
120. Well, I'm sure after it was written, he had to approve it. I understand that nothing happens without
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:40 PM
Sep 2019

his approval.

I'm thinking that he may have been likely to change it to "The campaign" if it was "I" before.

He uses language in a way that distances himself from saying anything that might indicate that he aligns with someone that he feels anger towards. He once said that WFP is “the closest thing there is to a political party that believes in my vision of democratic socialism." I'm sure anger is what he felt when told that the WFP party had backed Warren, especially on the heels of the 'She the People" episode, and not long after him and his supporters started taking shots at Warren as being the "safe" choice of "Democratic Establishment" and people who "would like to see a woman elected. "

"We need to be sure that Donald Trump is not president!" for instance.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
133. Agreed. Something like that should get his personal attention...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:42 PM
Sep 2019

... rather than delegating it to some staffer. It should also be in the FIRST PERSON. What I read was weak sauce.

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PhoenixDem

(581 posts)
42. Is anyone surprised?
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:09 PM
Sep 2019

It is a militant group and they feel entitled enough to violently lash out when they don't get their way.

This is why Bernie won't win.

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Gothmog

(144,924 posts)
60. No
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:36 PM
Sep 2019

I have seen similar action close up

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crazytown

(7,277 posts)
74. Yes you have.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:05 PM
Sep 2019

I am so sorry something like that would happen at a Democratic Convention. : hug:

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obamanut2012

(26,046 posts)
44. A replay of 2016
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:11 PM
Sep 2019

When women and POC Hillary supporters were called the most disgusting, bigoted things.

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mcar

(42,278 posts)
54. This is disgusting
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 12:31 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
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comradebillyboy

(10,128 posts)
76. If Bernie had won the WFP endorsement does anyone think Warren's
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 01:05 PM
Sep 2019

supporters would be harassing the WFP staffers? I don't.

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Cha

(296,848 posts)
131. Excellent question, comradebillyboy!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:41 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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