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Uncle Joe

(58,284 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:24 PM Sep 2019

Where Bernie Goes From Here



(snip)

There was an air of excitement in the crowd that you might not expect for a rally this early in the race—North Carolina is a Super Tuesday state, and won’t hold its primary until March 3, 2020—and it was obvious that people wanted to get to Bernie as soon as possible. It felt like everyone around me expected the UNC Young Democrats chair to introduce Sanders a half-hour into the early evening rally; when she instead introduced legendary leftist academic Dr. Adolph Reed—a UNC graduate himself—there was polite applause and more than a few exasperated laughs. When Sanders finally hit the stage, however, the crowd exploded, and proceeded to hang onto his every word for the entirety of his nearly 40-minute long speech.

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“No president—I’m the only candidate who will tell you this, maybe the only candidate who’s ever said this—not President Bernie Sanders, not anybody else, can do it alone,” Sanders said. “We can’t bring about the changes this country desperately needs just through the president.”

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For now, however, the focus is on winning on new converts. There’s perhaps no better place to do that on the campus of a large public university, where more than a few in attendance have never cast a ballot before. Those already in Sanders’ corner dating back to 2016 and beyond are doing their part to spread the word that not only is he different—as well as the “original” leftist in the race—but also that he is the best: the best candidate to beat Biden, the best candidate to beat Trump, the best candidate to accelerate social progress in this country.

“He’s the most transformational candidate of my lifetime,” Trushell told me. “And I don’t think there’s been anyone quite like that in national-level politics.”

https://splinternews.com/where-bernie-goes-from-here-1838263588

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Where Bernie Goes From Here (Original Post) Uncle Joe Sep 2019 OP
Obama said all the time that only the people could enact the change they wanted Clash City Rocker Sep 2019 #1
Excellent analysis and description. Perfect! You nailed it! NurseJackie Sep 2019 #12
Bernie's Campagn Slogan ritapria Sep 2019 #2
Yep: Not the INDIVIDUAL, the COLLECTIVE, crazytown Sep 2019 #11
Strange definition of socialism, as using your logic, Obama's Yes We Can Celerity Sep 2019 #15
not me, us is a statement of values crazytown Sep 2019 #16
that is a selective reading of it IMHO Celerity Sep 2019 #18
"There's perhaps no better place to do that on the campus of a large public university," brooklynite Sep 2019 #3
BS holds his rallies on or near college campuses PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #5
And... BOOM!! NurseJackie Sep 2019 #13
In addition to that, younger voters historically have had the lowest turnout of all age groups. George II Sep 2019 #7
all the way PDittie Sep 2019 #4
I'm sure Joe Biden would invite him to the inauguration. George II Sep 2019 #8
You can't fool us... brooklynite Sep 2019 #10
Back to Vermont in about 6 months. n/t PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #6
IF Bernie Loses ritapria Sep 2019 #9
When. NurseJackie Sep 2019 #14
That's what I said PhoenixDem Sep 2019 #19
Let me see if I've got this straight.. Amimnoch Sep 2019 #17
Total contradiction. betsuni Sep 2019 #20
 

Clash City Rocker

(3,389 posts)
1. Obama said all the time that only the people could enact the change they wanted
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:34 PM
Sep 2019

His campaign slogan was “Yes We Can,” for Pete’s sake. Not “Yes I Can.” So when he said that no candidate ever told you that except for the Lord Almighty Bernie Sanders...yeah. He’s lying there. Or maybe he just never paid attention. Either way, it sounds pretty egotistical.

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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
12. Excellent analysis and description. Perfect! You nailed it!
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:28 PM
Sep 2019
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ritapria

(1,812 posts)
2. Bernie's Campagn Slogan
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:43 PM
Sep 2019

"NOT ME , US"

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crazytown

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11. Yep: Not the INDIVIDUAL, the COLLECTIVE,
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:25 PM
Sep 2019

it the SOCIALISM that Americans DO NOT WANT.

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Celerity

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15. Strange definition of socialism, as using your logic, Obama's Yes We Can
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:32 PM
Sep 2019

is also 'socialism'. Not all collective action is socialism.

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crazytown

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16. not me, us is a statement of values
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:36 PM
Sep 2019

It is not about action - it is that collective comes first

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Celerity

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18. that is a selective reading of it IMHO
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 04:27 PM
Sep 2019

Without collective values and a sense of belonging to something greater than just oneself there will be no organising principles around which to have a mass traction political movement that is based on social justice and protections for the most vulnerable in society.

A prominent driving meme behind a process that dismisses the collective welfare is a RW favourite, ie. 'rugged individualism.' Rugged individualism is very often held up by people (NOT saying you are doing this btw) who often mislabel things as 'socialist.'

Climate change is a perfect example of where a sense of the collective is absolutely foundational if we are to effectively combat it.

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brooklynite

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3. "There's perhaps no better place to do that on the campus of a large public university,"
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:50 PM
Sep 2019

While millennial voting was up in 2018, they still represent a proportionally small share of the electorate. I suspect there are more productive ways of reaching out to likely voters than rallies with people already in his corner.

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PhoenixDem

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5. BS holds his rallies on or near college campuses
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:00 PM
Sep 2019

in order to increase attendance -- the party like atmosphere and red-meat talk of "revolution" in yelled out words along with palpable anger creates a militant milieu. It vastly exaggerates his popularity than what it actually is -- 15% (+/- 5) of the electorate.

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George II

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7. In addition to that, younger voters historically have had the lowest turnout of all age groups.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:15 PM
Sep 2019
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PDittie

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4. all the way
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 02:57 PM
Sep 2019

to the White House

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George II

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8. I'm sure Joe Biden would invite him to the inauguration.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:16 PM
Sep 2019
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brooklynite

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10. You can't fool us...
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:21 PM
Sep 2019

As a Senator, he automatically gets tickets...

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PhoenixDem

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6. Back to Vermont in about 6 months. n/t
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:00 PM
Sep 2019
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ritapria

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9. IF Bernie Loses
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:20 PM
Sep 2019

He goes back to the Senate

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PhoenixDem

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19. That's what I said
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:31 PM
Sep 2019

He will lose in about 6 months with no hope of getting the nomination. After super-Tuesday, he won't be followed by reporters and there will be hardly any news coverage of him because everyone will know that he is finished.

He is already nose-diving in the polls and the trillions of dollars in plans he comes up with offering everything for everyone are roundly ridiculed. This is making his supporters go over the edge as one can see from the WFP attacks and that will make him tank.

He has no chance of winning the primary.

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Amimnoch

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17. Let me see if I've got this straight..
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 03:37 PM
Sep 2019

Joe Biden speaks in a way that isn’t condescending, and often welcoming to swing voters, moderates, Democratic Party members, even to Republicans that may be willing and needed to pass some of the legislation that everyone is promising.. and he’s “terrible” and “disqualified”.

Bernie Sanders condemns, belittles, and castigates all but his base, turns around and says it will take “we”, and is wonderful?

Well color me confused.

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betsuni

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20. Total contradiction.
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 08:41 PM
Sep 2019

Dividing everyone into Us (his base of anti-establishment "true progressives" ) and Them (Establishment/Democratic Party/anyone not supporting Bernie who therefore cannot be progressive). Yet his plan to get things done as president is to hold rallies, the "We."

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