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OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:49 PM Sep 2019

A good article in of all places: The Intercept (re: Biden)

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/10/rumors-joe-biden-scandal-ukraine-absolute-nonsense-reformer-says/

THis is from May.

A Republican Conspiracy Theory About a Biden-in-Ukraine Scandal Has Gone Mainstream. But It Is Not True.

In an interview with The Intercept, Daria Kaleniuk, an American-educated lawyer who founded Ukraine’s Anti-Corruption Action Center, expressed frustration that two recent front-page stories in the New York Times, on how the conspiracy theory is being used to attack Biden, failed to properly debunk the false accusation. According to Kaleniuk, and a former anti-corruption prosecutor, there is simply no truth to the rumor now spreading like wildfire across the internet.

The accusation is that Biden blackmailed Ukraine’s new leaders into firing the country’s chief prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, to derail an investigation he was leading into a Ukrainian gas company that the vice president’s son, Hunter, was paid to advise.

The truth, Kaleniuk said, is that Shokin was forced from office at Biden’s urging because he had failed to conduct thorough investigations of corruption, and had stifled efforts to investigate embezzlement and misconduct by public officials following the 2014 uprising.

Properly debunking this particular conspiracy theory is easier said than done, though, since it is set in Ukraine, a country with byzantine political intrigue at the best of times, and these are not the best of times. The rivalries between political factions in Kiev are so intense that even the country’s new anti-corruption agencies are at each other’s throats.

The rest at the link
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
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A good article in of all places: The Intercept (re: Biden) (Original Post) OKNancy Sep 2019 OP
Now I remember the NYTimes article referenced in the article OKNancy Sep 2019 #1
You know I read that too, but decided not to post it since it's not seen as reliable. At least here Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #2
Not so much as not reliable, but extremely biased OKNancy Sep 2019 #4
Oh..well thx...didn't know that Thekaspervote Sep 2019 #8
Thanks elleng Sep 2019 #3
I recall coming across this information before--that it was the prosecutor whose behavior was emmaverybo Sep 2019 #5
There are two sides to every story.... TheRealNorth Sep 2019 #6
Thank you! sheshe2 Sep 2019 #7
did not see you had already posted this Celerity Sep 2019 #9
 

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
1. Now I remember the NYTimes article referenced in the article
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:54 PM
Sep 2019

by Ken Vogel. It was roundly criticized.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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Thekaspervote

(32,755 posts)
2. You know I read that too, but decided not to post it since it's not seen as reliable. At least here
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:56 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
4. Not so much as not reliable, but extremely biased
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 05:58 PM
Sep 2019

Far left in outlook

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

Thekaspervote

(32,755 posts)
8. Oh..well thx...didn't know that
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:10 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
 

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
5. I recall coming across this information before--that it was the prosecutor whose behavior was
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:02 PM
Sep 2019

suspect, not Biden or his son, and thus Biden had urged his removal. Just another false narrative
about Biden that people who want to will believe.

If I were to vote in a presidential
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TheRealNorth

(9,478 posts)
6. There are two sides to every story....
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:10 PM
Sep 2019

One side is what Fox News reports and the other side is the truth.

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Celerity

(43,317 posts)
9. did not see you had already posted this
Fri Sep 20, 2019, 06:49 PM
Sep 2019
If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for:
Joe Biden
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