New York Times battered on MSNBC for pushing smear of Hunter Biden in order to maintain access to T

[comradebillyboy]

New York Times battered on MSNBC for pushing smear of Hunter Biden in order to maintain access to Trump

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/09/new-york-times-battered-on-msnbc-for-pushing-smear-of-hunter-biden-in-order-to-maintain-access-to-trump/

An “AM Joy” panel jumped all over the New York Times for pushing a widely debunked smear of Hunter Biden promoted by Donald Trump, saying the newspaper is more interested in maintaining their access to the Oval Office than debunking the lie.

Speaking with host Joy Reid — who noted that her producers asked for comment from the Times but were rebuffed — MSNBC regular Maria Teresa Kumar scorched the Times, as well as reporter Ken Vogel, for the uncritical parroting of the president’s smear.

Pointing to Vogel’s story and noting his source was a Breitbart writer, Kumar explained, “The biggest challenge, Ken Vogel does not declare the source , that Peter Schweizer, is underwritten by the Mercer family — the Mercer family is a neo-facist family that underwrites Steve Bannon and the Breitbart Report so it is not credible.”

[ProudProgressiveNow]

1. KR NT

[Cha]

2. Hallelujah!

Thank you, comradebillyboy!

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[Snackshack]

3. The NYT.

Has become very good at self inflicted wounds over the past 2 decades.

[Wounded Bear]

4. About time someone started hitting back...

and it's not just the Times.

A lot of media has been doing this.

[comradebillyboy]

5. Biden supporters please note, this was on Joy Reid's show....nt

[Cha]

9. I did and am grateful for the reality check on what

nyt is trying to do.. once again carry H20 for the white nationalists.

I know she got a lot of pushback on her recent Biden bashing.

[Demsrule86]

19. Also on her show she used this to bash Biden...said he shouldn't be the nominee because of this...

even if untrue and she also said he is losing support AA voters...pulled that out from where I don't know...so Joy was not good. I watched it and turned off when she and the panel went after Biden.

[oasis]

21. The anti-Biden portion of the discussion negated whatever Joy's

panel said in support of Joe.

They're not fooling anybody.

[Demsrule86]

22. Exactly.

[Thekaspervote]

6. The NYT digital subscriptions are down 40% save cooking and travel...any wonder??

Anybody home there?? Are you listening??

[Cha]

10. Good to know!

[Blue_Adept]

13. Got a source for the 40% number?

The second quarter numbers in August revealed:

The New York Times also said it added 197,000 new digital-only subscribers during the period, bringing the publication's total subscriber base to 4.7 million.

Subscription sales are expected to jump by low-to mid-single digits in the third quarter, with digital-only subscription revenue climbing in the mid-teens.

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/new-york-times-stock-price-q2-earnings-revenue-outlook-drops-2019-8-1028427773

[TwilightZone]

14. It's incorrect.

Their digital subscriptions have been growing pretty steadily the past couple years.

2018 was 27% up on 2017.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/06/business/media/new-york-times-earnings-digital-subscriptions.html

I have seen the 40% figure claimed a few times in different contexts, but I have yet to see what the figure is based on.

[Blue_Adept]

31. That's what my quick searching found as well. Would love to see the 40% backed up somewhere.

[NoMoreRepugs]

7. Fake news from the NYT? Somehow tRumpy is going

to twist this around and attempt to tweet it to his advantage.

[OnDoutside]

8. Kurt Eichenwald eviscerated Ken Vogel for being a Rudi lackey.

[Cha]

11. Love Kurt Eichenwald!

[OnDoutside]

17. Hi Cha, here's the Eichenwald thread

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1175474606485975042.html

[Cha]

20. Thank you, OnDoubtside!

[Gothmog]

25. New York Times battered on MSNBC for pushing smear of Hunter Biden in order to maintain access to Tr

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[Cha]

28. **** the nyt.. Gracias Goth!

[PhoenixDem]

12. Ken Vogel is David Sirota's buddy

He was caught with his pants down and a hand in the cookie jar.

[MBS]

15. The Achilles Heel of the NYT,

especially in coverage of national politics, is its tropism to power. And the problem seems to get worse in presidential election cycles. Given the frequency of "issues" lately, I've also found myself wondering whether there might not also be a problem with the editor or at least with their editorial and fact-check procedures.
Not that the NYT can't do good reporting, even excellent reporting, on national politics - but, because of my frustrations with their politics reporting over the last ~15-20 years, I tend to rely more on the Washington Post for coverage of national/presidential politics, especially now that WaPo has a first-rate editor. WaPo of course isn't perfect, either.
In general, I guess the lesson is: it's dangerous to rely on a single news source for anything. Plus, given the disinformation campaign that's going to flood us over the next year, everyone needs to be vigilant about information sources and hidden bias, anyway.

[Gothmog]

24. Vogel is not trustworthy

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[MBS]

26. Wow, staggering.

He’s a full-on Trumpista. SHAME, NYT.

[Karadeniz]

16. Guess the NYT has Maggie habermanned.

[Scurrilous]

18. K&R

[Gothmog]

23. From Josh Marshall

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[MBS]

27. Good TPM/Josh Marshall comments, thanks. n/t

[Cha]

29. From Judd Legum, Goth..

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Thank you for Josh!

[Cha]

30. The nyt hired Vogel bc of this tweet..

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[Gothmog]

32. Fact-checking President Trump's wild jabs at Joe Biden

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[Gothmog]

33. Former Ukraine prosecutor says Hunter Biden "did not violate anything"

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A former top Ukrainian prosecutor, whose allegations were at the heart of the dirt-digging effort by Rudolph W. Giuliani, said Thursday he believed that Hunter Biden did not run afoul of any laws in Ukraine.

“From the perspective of Ukrainian legislation, he did not violate anything,” former Ukrainian prosecutor general Yuri Lutsenko told The Washington Post in his first interview since the disclosure of a whistleblower complaint alleging pressure by President Trump on Ukraine’s president, Volodymr Zelensky.

Lutsenko’s comments about Hunter Biden — which echo what he told Bloomberg News in May — were significant, because Trump and his personal attorney Giuliani have sought to stir up suspicions about both Hunter and former vice president Joe Biden’s conduct in Ukraine in recent weeks. Joe Biden is leading Trump in many opinion polls ahead of the 2020 election.

Hunter Biden has denied any wrongdoing, and there is no evidence he was involved in any lawbreaking in his work in Ukraine with the country’s largest private gas company.

[DrFunkenstein]

34. Center for Public Integrity: Vogel Won an IRE Award for Investigative Journalism

https://publicintegrity.org/about/awards

He was chief investigative reporter at Politico, since its founding in 2007. In June 2017, he joined the Washington Bureau of The New York Times as a reporter covering conflicts of interest, lobbying, and money in politics.

This is the guy who got in hot water for going to the DNC with a draft of an investigative news article he authored about Hillary Clinton's fundraising with the DNC ahead of publication. He's hardly a hit man.