Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Blames Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton for Trump Presidency
By Tommy ChristopherSep 24th, 2019, 10:38 am
Bernie Sanders agreed with one supporter who blamed former Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton for Trumps 2016 election victory, agreed with another who said he had truly won over Hillary Clinton in 2016, and thanked another supporter for comparing Trumps campaign with Bernies.
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Im here tonight, and Ive been to three towns in Iowa today, because Obama won here in 2012, Trump won here in 2016, Sanders continued and asked Why?
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Im sorry, Obama won, he had the majority in the Senate, he had the majority in the House, did not come through on these important issues, he continued. I dont care if you win, you have to help the people that put you there, or theyre not going to put you there second time.
After determining the mans name, Sanders said Okay, I agree with Art. I think when people do not see government responding to their needs, were ignoring their needs, they become alienated from the political process or they vote the other way.
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But extensive research has demonstrated that racial and cultural factors were key to Trumps victory, and not economic anxiety. And while President Obama did lose his filibuster-proof majority after a total of fourteen legislative weeks passing health care reform and rescuing the economy in that time voters did send him back to the White House a second time.
So to recap: Bernie Sanders agrees that he really beat Hillary Clinton, that two of the most popular Democrats in history are to blame for Trumps victory, and that Trump also eked out a victory by copying Bernie Sanders message. Bernie Sanders is running to be the Democratic nominee for president.
http://www.mediaite.com/news/watch-bernie-sanders-blames-presidents-barack-obama-and-bill-clinton-for-trump-presidency/
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
DavidDvorkin
(19,404 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
thesquanderer
(11,954 posts)...or even, apparently, the excerpt of it posted in the OP.
There's no mention of Bill Clinton in the article, except when an audience member says his name and then apologizes and corrects himself, he meant Obama.
And Sanders did not actually blame Obama for anything; the closest thing to that is that he agreed with an audience member's point to the extent that, if people don't see a party responding to their needs, they may vote differently next time, or not vote.
There's no scandal here. But there are 100 posts from the usual Bernie haters who will simply believe and respond to the clickbait headline as if it's truth.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dgauss
(880 posts)Accuracy is not needed for that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BeyondGeography
(39,281 posts)What was he supposed to do, tell Art to stop whining?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)On all sides.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
stonecutter357
(12,682 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)WHY would anyone support a person like this? I've never understood it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doremus
(7,261 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dgauss
(880 posts)"So to recap: Bernie Sanders agrees that he really beat Hillary Clinton."
It sounds bad, it gets people angry, but it didn't happen.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)I would've won the nomination and defeated Donald Trump." He does think the primary was rigged.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dgauss
(880 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The man at the campaign rally said, "Because people were so upset with Hillary Clinton, we thought it was skewed, that you truly won and that they, the Democratic Party skewed that." Bernie answers, "Okay, but that still doesn't explain to me why [Trump] won."
The man said it was rigged. Bernie did not disagree. He never disagrees when rigging is brought up in interviews. In 2016 he said it wasn't rigged, but his supporters, like Michael Moore, say it all the time and I think hearing it from people around him influenced him. He definitely thinks it was rigged now. The OP is correct.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
dgauss
(880 posts)But if a simple fact is inconvenient, I guess some alternate logic with the right spin will get the answer you want. And then we get threads like this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
calguy
(5,222 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
trueblue2007
(17,138 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jrthin
(4,825 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WinstonSmith4740
(3,048 posts)Now how do we convince him?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,652 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The sooner the better.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
still_one
(91,949 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Is there something seriously wrong with him, this just doesn't make sense.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
RockRaven
(14,782 posts)but deal with your log first, bro.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
secondwind
(16,903 posts)THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, among other things.
Starting to really dislike Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LiberalFighter
(50,499 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)I guess he missed the memo.
Do not attack fellow Dems, especially the most popular and successful!
C'mon Man!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)...the eight years of baby bush.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
mcar
(42,210 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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SCVDem
(5,103 posts)I didn't want to get alerted for bashing so I softened the tone.
It's the Democratic Party! Up yours Kennedy! (MTP)
We can't have a part time Dem.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)Seriously Bernie?!
I honestly don't know what to say to that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
peggysue2
(10,811 posts)If Bernie Sanders thinks this is a winning approach, he should just drop out now. Blaming Democrats for Donald Trump is positively . . . Republican in twisted logic. He truly won over Hillary Clinton in 2016? No, he lost by millions of votes, not to mention the delegate loss. And what Democratic candidate in their right mind would say, 'Trump eked out a victory on my message.'
So, it's all Bill Clinton and Barack Obama's fault??
Just guessing here but I don't think that's going to play to Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters. Just saying.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)They may have their shortcomings (in the eyes of some, but not me), but if they have nothing else they are LOYAL to fellow Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I mean seriously... WTELF?!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)It has fully decomposed already and in a couple of months, not even the bones will remain.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
OAITW r.2.0
(23,813 posts)I see some personality traits that he shares with Trump
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)nt
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Very different people, but in vying for many of the same followers it's more than personality traits they share..
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,470 posts)Last edited Wed Sep 25, 2019, 12:50 AM - Edit history (1)
constant repug obstruction and a non-contiguous and short-term majority in the Senate.
And what the hell did Clinton's admin, four terms removed from 2016, have to do with him LOSING? He still can't help himself from bashing actual Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WinstonSmith4740
(3,048 posts)All policies aside, this has always been my biggest issue with Bernie. If he wants to run as a Democrat, he can damn well become a Democrat. Otherwise, he needs to run as an independent.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
JI7
(89,173 posts)and he has been there a lot longer than Obama was.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,276 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,580 posts)Go away!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
question everything
(47,265 posts)What a sourpuss he is. Say good night Bernie. Your time is over.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)Please elaborate what truth is there in BS's statements. Give details instead of a hit and run post.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
aikoaiko
(34,127 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)inquiring minds want to know
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,336 posts)Sorry, Bernie. This is not a winning strategy nor was your call to primary him. He is a beloved President.
3. March 23, 2010
After a long and bitter legislative fight, Obama achieved what several Democratic (and some Republican) presidents had tried and failed to do the largest expansion of health care coverage for the American people in a generation. As Vice President Biden put it, this was a "big f--king deal," and one of the crowning domestic achievements of Obama's presidency. Although the Supreme Court would uphold the law in 2012, it now appears to be in peril due to Republicans and the incoming president's pledge to repeal it.
4. May 1, 2011
The president's peerless comedic performances at the annual White House Correspondents Dinner has already become the stuff of legend, but this riff on the track record of then-reality star Donald Trump, who had been waging a very public crusade to prove that Obama was not an American citizen, may have been his most biting and significant barb. Obama started off by saying he had recently watched an episode of "Celebrity Apprentice" in which the mens team "did not impress the judges from Omaha Steaks" during a cooking challenge. Some had suggested that a humiliated Trump became inspired to seek the presidency himself that night as an act of revenge. Either way, he appears to have gotten the last laugh.
7. Aug. 23, 2013
While commemorating the 50th anniversary of the civil rights March on Washington, Obama paid homage to a classic Martin Luther King, Jr. quote, but added his own aside, pointing out that any successful reform movement requires foot soldiers, not just leaders. It was a theme he would return to throughout his presidency.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/president-obama-the-legacy/15-most-telling-quotes-obama-s-presidency-n703081
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)...from workplace to be a caregiver for my elderly mother. Coincidentally enough, it is even better insurance than what I had through my prior employer, and cheaper to boot.
How dare Sanders agree with someone that says Obama accomplished nothing.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,336 posts)I was old and in the way. It got me through, low cost, just fine for a year until I went on Medicare.
My heart goes out to you doing mom care. I was not able to go back to the workforce because there are just two of us doing 24/7 care for mom. It is hard work and after two years, frankly I am exhausted and have no idea how I will see it to the end.
Hugs to you and your mom.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
W_HAMILTON
(7,813 posts)Yes, it is very difficult. I had hoped to just do a temporary leave of absence and get my mom in better shape so that she could be more independent and look after herself, but over a year later, I don't think that's going to happen. I know that providing care for someone else can be a very frustrating at times. I wish you the best in your caregiving endeavors and thank you for the kind comments and for replying back!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
sheshe2
(83,336 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
susanr516
(1,425 posts)24/7 caregiving is tough work.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
susanr516
(1,425 posts)Caregiving for elderly/disabled family members is long, hard work 24/7. I have a mentally disabled adult grandson who lives with me, and I can't do anything on the spur of the moment. Everything must be carefully planned as he can never be left unsupervised. I can't imagine how much more difficult it would be if he had a physical disability.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
liberal N proud
(60,300 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SergeStorms
(18,891 posts)but when push comes to shove, it's hooray for Bernie and screw the Democrats, I'm out to get my own. I really wish they didn't let Bernie caucus with the Democrats all of those years, and I really wish he would just go away.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)than it is to do the hard work of building ones' own.
Especially when one is nearing the end of one's career, after having alienated so many who could have been allies.
It must be very frustrating.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,580 posts)For calling a spade a spade ...
Warren got her start in Obamas era.
She actually owes him a lot
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,276 posts)I'll be so glad when Bernie finally drops out and stops acting like the skunk at the Democrats' picnic. I'm beginning to regret ever having supported him at all. Dissing Obama is way over the line.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
oasis
(49,151 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
keithbvadu2
(36,362 posts)Bernie gave us Trump by taking votes from Hillary... BS is another self-important Ralph Nader.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
katmondoo
(6,454 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ace Rothstein
(3,109 posts)Bernie didn't run in the general election.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
keithbvadu2
(36,362 posts)Bernie Sanders supporters switched their allegiance to Donald Trump in large enough numbers last November to sway the election for the real estate billionaire, according to an analysis of voter data released Tuesday by the blog Political Wire. Since Trump's shock victory over Hillary Clinton, much discussion has focused on the degree to which passionate Sanders supporters' refusal to embrace Clinton led to the Republican winding up in the White House.
https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Ace Rothstein
(3,109 posts)That's a stretch to me.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
treestar
(82,383 posts)were so fired up for Bernie that the could not transition. And Bernie didn't do much to get them on board. He campaigned for Hillary but was not as strong as Hillary was when she backed Obama in 2008. I still remember her at that convention, saying she did not do all that work to see a Republican in the WH. Bernie did not come off that way at the convention. Not being a Democrat, maybe he did not feel as strongly about it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LakeArenal
(28,728 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)I'm so disappointed in him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NNadir
(33,368 posts)...2016 election, and for that matter, the 2012 election, the 2008 election, the 2004 election, the 2000 election, the 1996 election and many elections before he was even born is the perfect person of all exalted people to rule on Barack Obama, Bill Clinton, FDR, Abraham Lincoln, John Adams and George Washington.
I really think that Bernie should declare himself President by acclimation.
There's another guy of the same sort around, and they sort of each remind me of the other.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NoMoreRepugs
(9,260 posts)state that after these comments by Bernie it will ABSOLUTELY not be Senator Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Doodley
(8,976 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Celerity
(42,652 posts)He would go down in history as one of the most hated POTUS candidates in history, as it would probably deliver Rump a reelection. I think the Democratic Caucus in the Senate would expel him too, as long as it doesn't cost them the majority.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)He may not have the jacobs but he has the ego .. I suspect he truly believes that only "he" can fix things.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,276 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)His longtime consultant Tad Devine and the rest of the group came down hard: this is never going to have a chance of working unless you get over it. Suck it up, they told him.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/bernie-sanders-2016-inside-213692
I think that he'd rather try to use his influence over his die hard supporters, however few they may be at that point, as leverage to gain some power as a party leader who calls the shots. Besides, Democrats can afford a private plane and cover expenses for him in order for him to endorse the winner, where he can stand before crowds and continue to give his stump speech. He wouldn't have any of that as an independent. Besides, it would be too late to declare as a candidate on many state ballots.
That said, I think that even he knows at this point that being the Democratic candidate isn't possible, but senses that there are other benefits to him and his goals to be wrung out of staying in the campaign as long as possible.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Gothmog
(143,999 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
MustLoveBeagles
(11,563 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tarheel_Dem
(31,207 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)The 2016 primary was rigged.
Bill Clinton abandoned the unions because they'd been weakened during the Reagan years so he turned to Wall Street to finance his campaigns and the Democratic Party has been beholden to Wall St. ever since, ignoring the working/middle classes.
Democrats could pass progressive legislation if they fought hard enough. (Of course ignore all the times Republicans have been in control of Congress. Ignore the fact that things don't get passed without enough votes, or that to get enough votes, compromises must be made. In fact, go ahead and ignore Republicans altogether.) If a Democratic president cannot get enough progressive things done, it means they do not want to (same as Republicans).
Obama had a majority for two years and did not transform anything. (Of course ignore that he had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate for all of four months and ten days.)
Bernie does everything first, everyone copies him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
WinstonSmith4740
(3,048 posts)60 Democrats is not filibuster proof...herding crickets and all that. The Republicans would have never been able to get away with the filibuster shit they did without help from some Democrats during that time.
And, like you mentioned, those 60 votes weren't there that long...I read somewhere that the Senate was in session for something like 92 days after Al Franken was finally seated.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)like Chuckie said to Sen John Kennedy today.. ".. don't gaslight us, sir..".
Just where does he think he's going with this?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)Residue.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
melman
(7,681 posts)lol
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
comradebillyboy
(10,119 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)lol
Auto kill-the-messenger.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Not a very good look."
"Bad optics."
"Disqualifying!"
"I'm concerned..."
lol, indeed.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)He actually wanted to primary Pres Obama in 2012.
It boggles my mind how anyone calling oneself a Democrat can support sedition.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)run is marked by bitterness, blame, vindictive whining. What a turn off!
Bernie overshadows his own message with his constant bitter look backwards. Fails unity pledge, fails loyalty test, fails to move the hell on into the future and fight for we, the people,
instead of re-fighting his personal war against establishment democrats.
This time, blaming Obama and Clinton for Trump, he may have gone too far.
I will be holding my nose if I have to vote for this B.S.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PhoenixDem
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
SunSeeker
(51,367 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
jg10003
(974 posts)If you click on the link and open the video, the video will start at 50:43. However if you rewind 30 seconds, and start from 50:13 you will see just how misleading this article is.
Sanders was not bashing Obama and Clinton. He was asking the audience their opinion as to why Iowa voted for Trump after voting for Obama. And that is a very important question.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,128 posts)He asked the question and agreed with the answer. The guy said that Clinton didn't do anything for labor and Obama didn't come through and if you don't help people they're not going to vote for you. Bernie says, "Okay, I agree with Art."
The real answer (one of them) for why Trump won is provided in the article. Not economic anxiety or that Democrats disappointed anyone.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
TlalocW
(15,358 posts)Because he's not going to be the democratic nominee, but now Sanders can go fuck himself.
TlalocW
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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OldRed2450
(710 posts)In my opinion, this is an attempt to white wash the angst of racist coming out wanting Mexico to pay for a wall.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lotusflower70
(3,077 posts)BS is full of BS. Shocker. Not. He blames everyone but himself.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
greatauntoftriplets
(175,695 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
True Dough
(17,091 posts)And downright atrocious.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)My opinion of him has declined even further.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Lulu KC
(2,547 posts)with Democrats is just not thinking.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Wawannabe
(5,580 posts)Bernie is not fit to lick Obamas shoes and Im talking about the soles!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)how they were right, and Obama and Bill Clinton and Hillary and the DNC are the bad guys who "sold out."
So there's that.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
randr
(12,408 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lark
(23,003 posts)This is why I believe he will not be our general candidate, even though he does have some good policies. His basic disloyalty and selfishness are obvious to most Dems. I voted for him in the 2016 primary, but would never vote for him in the 2020 primary. I will vote for him if he's our general candidate because he is better than drumpf (any person would be better) full stop.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)Elizabeth Warren.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Zambero
(8,954 posts)A swing of 70-some thousand votes within three historically blue states would have precluded the current daily horror show. It's reassuring to know that Bernie could not have possibly done anything more to affect the outcome!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nykym
(3,063 posts)Now its definite, You want to run as a Dem act like one or get lost.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ehrnst
(32,640 posts)performance in Sophie's Choice, because clearly, that means they have a much much higher standard of craftsmanship than everyone who just applauds like sheep.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redstatebluegirl
(12,264 posts)He should just start his own damn party. He does us more damage than good.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,163 posts)If it is, he would never admit his responsibility when something goes wrong, and would point the finger at everyone else instead of trying to get to the root cause.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
PhoenixDem
(581 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Politicub
(12,163 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Duppers
(28,094 posts)What else was Pres. Obama suppose to do for the Iowa farmers?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,919 posts)A Fox one day spied a beautiful bunch of ripe grapes hanging from a vine trained along the branches of a tree. The grapes seemed ready to burst with juice, and the Fox's mouth watered as he gazed longingly at them.
The bunch hung from a high branch, and the Fox had to jump for it. The first time he jumped he missed it by a long way. So he walked off a short distance and took a running leap at it, only to fall short once more. Again and again he tried, but in vain.
Now he sat down and looked at the grapes in disgust.
"What a fool I am," he said. "Here I am wearing myself out to get a bunch of sour grapes that are not worth gaping for."
And off he walked very, very scornfully.
http://www.read.gov/aesop/005.html
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)on BS for not supporting Democrats.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
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Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)St. Bern has been very open about his hatred for Obama and the Clintons for years...
And once again his campaign will have the unmitigated gall to question why they aren't doing better with black voters
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Joe941
(2,848 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Otto Lidenbrock
(581 posts)I am a big Bill fan and think his presence, charisma and intelligence made him a terrific president and even hearing him muse on issues of today show he's still got it.
Sadly as far as being a first pick surrogate or go to for advice actually he was ignored in the 2018 mid terms. Obama, Biden and even Carter hit the stump for candidates. Bill was on the sideline.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)His squeaky-clean foundation which did great work was called "corrupt" by the subject of this OP. Then Trump ran with it and maligned Bill Clinton. I blame one person for this.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)collects many, many dollars from foreign governments -- governments which are dictatorships? Yeah, I have a problem with that. Yeah, I do."
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
samnsara
(17,570 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)Bernie is Bernie and he has his stances on policies, and him agreeing with his supporters that his policies are what's needed and we should have gone further with implementing them seems like a reasonable response. However, I think he should have acknowledged that Obama and even Clinton did do positive things for the country even if he thinks they could have done more or done things differently. From there he could have went forward with discussing what he wants to do and why his ideas are the best path.
Maybe I didn't watch far enough in, but I didn't see him say that Clinton and/or Obama are to blame for Trump. I can see how someone can read it that way if they really want to, but I didn't get that impression myself. Then again, I may be naive in the way I give people too much benefit of the doubt. And just to be clear, I am not on team bernie. I mean, I would be if he gets the nomination, of course. But I would prefer other candidates over him.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Sapient Donkey
(1,568 posts)Like I said, I think Sanders should have started his response with acknowledging the positive aspects of the Obama administration and the Clinton administration since he too was brought up. However, Sanders has his views on where we as country should go and how to get there. Some of them overlap with what the majority of us want, and some of it goes off in a direction different than where we'd like to go. One thing I think we all (as in liberal democrats) want is to improve the lives of Americans and be good citizens of our planet. Bernie and his supporters have their version of how to get there, and you have yours, and I have mine, as does everyone else. Them discussing their vision and how they want it done isn't hostile. Discussing why they don't like specific policies such TPP, healthcare, immigration, education, or whatever it may should be welcomed. I wish everyone was more open to just discussing all ideas rather than simply defending/attacking specific policies based primarily on which "team" they are on. The "my solution is the panacea that solves everything and has zero drawbacks, and your solution is awful and will kill us all" method of argument is tiresome, because people just shut everything else out and stop exploring ideas.
I am ranting and going off on a tangent, but this is just something that irks me. Can we stop attacking each other and just focus on developing good ideas together? And in cases where there is philosophical differences, just acknowledge that but give the other side credit for doing what they think is best? I mean, unless it's pure crazy nonsense like we get from these republicans, particularly the Trumpublicans.
*This, of course, applies to the more aggressive and hostile Sander's supporters such as sirota who I find to be extremely dishonest. I wish Bernie would speak up more against these sorts people within his own camp. I also think that those of us outside of his camp should lead by example.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... yet time and time again, free passes are handed out like candy at halloween.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMississippi
(776 posts)No matter what the criticism is, no matter how valid it is, not a single BS supporter ever says, "Yes, this was wrong but it doesn't sway my vote." The response is always, "nothing wrong here."
It is almost like some candidates are conceived by immaculate conception.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
nini
(16,670 posts)I despise him and his bullshit anti-democrat propaganda.
His cult is either as bad or severely politically naive.
Just go away Sanders.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Many people share your opinions and views (myself included) ... and that appears to be an EVER GROWING number as well. (Thank goodness!)
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(295,903 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)he does believe all this deeply offensive stuff he's been spouting for 50 years.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)What about the "damn bill" he keeps saying he wrote?
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
NYMinute
(3,256 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
betsuni
(25,128 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden