Maher, "We Can't Have A Female President Because They're Impulsive"

[corbettkroehler]

I am 100% Sanders, even knowing that his health has declined since 2016. He is MORE than up to the challenge of resuming his vigorous campaign and of running the country. He had a medical check-up 3 weeks before his myocardial infarction but did what he, himself, described as "stupid", ignored the symptoms. I concur that it was a big mistake.

I remain as convinced as ever that he will win the primary, locking it up by April at the latest, and coast to victory in the general. I know that multiple DUers will be unswayed by my conviction. Fortunately, there's an area where we can find common ground.

Should one of the women vying for the nomination emerge victorious from the convention, I would be first in line on Election Day to cast my ballot for her. You can take that to the bank.

I recall as if it were yesterday the shock I felt in 2016 when people in focus groups denied that a sexist or misogynistic bias existed against Hillary. I even heard from women who believed this. Such garbage! OF COURSE Hillary suffered a bias based on gender.

Leave it to Bill Maher to distill this idiocy of electability into a sound byte. If you would like to jump right to be best part, advance to time stamp 3:49:

[Miles Archer]

1. Maher is a narcissistic ass clown

He's also his biggest fan.

[ms liberty]

8. I sw this monologue. Maher was using that phrase sarcastically.

As in, Trump is a Russian tool, but no, we can't vote for the woman, because women are hysterical (eyeroll).

[DownriverDem]

9. I like him, but

my fear is that if a woman wins the nomination, it will be misogyny all the way. Personally, I'd love to see a Biden/Harris ticket. We have never had a woman VP. She would be in a leadership role. Americans (not all) have been slow to accept women leaders. Things are so bad, that we must not blow this..

[Tipperary]

58. It was a joke.

Sad so many here do not get it.

[SWBTATTReg]

2. Women too impulsive? I'd laugh and simply say, ah, lets just look at our so called president rump,

shall we, and talk about impulsive, eh?

[Blue_true]

18. He said that as sarcasm.

He painted Trump's impulsiveness, then he sarcastically said "and we can't have a woman President because she would be too impulsive". He was actually ridiculing that reason that some use to justify their not voting for a woman.

[SWBTATTReg]

33. Thanks! Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised that some would use any excuse that they can come up w/,

to not vote for a female candidate. My idiot uncle is like this and the rest of us in the family can't stand to deal w/ him, he's one of those that a woman should wait hand and foot on others, etc. My Mom thinks he's a jacka&&. Take care!

[treestar]

65. That was exactly what he did

He related an account of Donnie doing an about-face and then said sarcastically that we can't have a woman President because they are impulsive.

[ritapria]

3. Well Written

Hear, Hear

[Hav]

4. Be careful with the choice of subject lines

Some might not read anything except the headline and then it sounds as if that is the point Maher made in seriousness.

[Nay]

26. Agree! Let's not be like the RW who are deaf to sarcasm or irony. Maher didn't

mean it that way, and come on, let's show that we get it.

[corbettkroehler]

27. Respectfully, The Quotation Marks And Speaker's Name Are The Extent Of My Responsibility

My goal, mirroring Maher's, was to dispel the pure rubbish that a woman can't be president because the fairer sex is too impulsive. Countless inequities in our society would been ameliorated or solved long ago had the right women been elected president.

[quickesst]

34. Your OP....

....is about as irresponsible as one can get.

[corbettkroehler]

42. Just The Chuckle I Needed!

If your goal had been to leave me grinning from ear to ear, mission accomplished!

[quickesst]

53. you are too kind

😊

[Celerity]

45. +10000

[58Sunliner]

5. You are taking it out of context.

[OxQQme]

10. Witty sarcasm - Maher's style

I heard snark in his 'too emotional' bit.

btw-ALL talking heads, and performers, have narcissistic traits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

Some benign. -->"Narcissism is the pursuit of gratification from vanity or egotistic admiration of one's idealised self image and attributes. This includes self-flattery, perfectionism, and arrogance.[1] The term originated from Greek mythology, where the young Narcissus fell in love with his own image reflected in a pool of water."<--

Some malignant. -->"Narcissism is also considered a social or cultural problem. It is a factor in trait theory used in various self-report inventories of personality such as the Millon Clinical Multiaxial Inventory. It is one of the three dark triadic personality traits (the others being psychopathy and Machiavellianism). Except in the sense of primary narcissism or healthy self-love, narcissism is usually considered a problem in a person's or group's relationships with self and others."

I wouldn't put Bill Maher in the second category.

Here's drumpf:
Seven deadly sins of narcissism
Psychiatrists Hotchkiss and James F. Masterson identified what they called the seven deadly sins of narcissism:[8]

Shamelessness: Narcissists are often proudly and openly shameless; they are not bound emotionally by the needs and wishes of others. Narcissists hate shame[clarification needed], and consider it "toxic"[citation needed], as shame implies they are not perfect and need to change. Narcissists prefer guilt over shame, as guilt allows them to dissociate their actions from themselves - it's only their actions that are wrong, while their intention is good.

Magical thinking: Narcissists see themselves as perfect, using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to "dump" shame onto others.
Arrogance: A narcissist who is feeling deflated may "reinflate" their sense of self-importance by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.

Envy: A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person or their achievements.
Entitlement: Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Failure to comply is considered an attack on their superiority, and the perpetrator is considered an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.

Exploitation: Can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other person is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed. This exploitation may result in many brief, short-lived relationships.

Bad boundaries: Narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist are treated as if they are part of the narcissist and are expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.

[DrFunkenstein]

6. Hillary Clinton Impulsive, Not Bill Clinton?

Clinton lost by less than 80,000 votes, so no woman can ever win.

The tally of Pennsylvania’s votes, where Trump won 2,961,875 votes to Clinton’s 2,915,440, was a difference of 46,435 votes. Add that to the official results out of Wisconsin, where Clinton lost by 22,177 votes, and Michigan, which she lost by 10,704 votes.

So, 0.057 percent of total voters cost Clinton the presidency.

Keep in mind that:

A) In the last 10 weeks of the campaign, Clinton gave one speech in Michigan and zero speeches in Wisconsin. Trump made made 106 campaign stops during that time, Clinton made only 71.

B) James Comey is still a douchebag.

C) No one knew that Trump would govern from the extreme right. People (stupid ones) thought he was an independent swamp-drainer who would bring tons of jobs to the Rust Belt, make brilliant trade deals, and make Mexico pay for a gleaming new wall.

D) Relatedly, many people saw Trump as an outsider and Clinton as an establishment politician at a time when anti-establishment sentiment was especially high. Trump can hardly say the same as he has now made the entire GOP in his image.

E) Lots of people - guided by media reports suggesting as much - thought Clinton was nailed on to win, so didn't bother to turn out or thought they could safely vote for a third party candidate.

F) Trump did not yet have a majority of Americans asking to have him impeached.

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Clinton and Warren are both women. But the candidates are quite different and circumstances are extremely different.

[corbettkroehler]

25. I Voted For Hillary In The 2016 General And Stand By My Accurate Quote Of Maher's Monologue

Last edited Mon Oct 14, 2019, 12:21 AM - Edit history (1)

I did not vote for Stein in the 2016 general.

Further, as I stated in the text surrounding this video, every single one of the women candidates vying for the Democratic nomination would have my vote were she to emerge victorious from the primary (all the men, too).

[cwydro]

31. You're not really fooling anyone.

Smh.

[corbettkroehler]

41. If Accusing Me Of Lying When Every Single Aspect Of My Post Was Accurate

then you have fooled yourself.

[betsuni]

47. No, you were wrong. It was joke. Maher is a comedian doing a monologue.

[corbettkroehler]

59. After reading my entire post, if you didn't realize that I KNEW THAT, I can't help you (eom)

[cwydro]

57. Nope.

We see you.

[cwydro]

7. Wow, you took that completely out of context.

Hopefully that served your purpose.

Pretty transparent however.

[LongtimeAZDem]

11. Oh man, did you seriously not get the joke?

[Cetacea]

12. Please fix your title

He was attacking people who actually believe that crap.

[corbettkroehler]

24. If You're Unaware That Maher Is The King Of Sarcasm Among Current Comics, Sorry But I Can't Help You

The fact that the first word in the title of my post was Maher should have given you a clue that it might be a loaded quote.

[Cetacea]

66. I wasn't thinking of myself but the members who didn't get it.

Might be something to consider in the future.

[GeorgeGist]

13. It's a joke son.

[aka-chmeee]

14. You would vote for any of the women if they win the nomination,

but....if Biden or any of the other men running is the general election candidate.....???

[corbettkroehler]

23. Were Biden Our Nominee, I'd Vote For Him, Too

The point of the excerpt from Maher's monologue was the question of impulsive women, especially when measured against Trump.

[phleshdef]

15. You're embarrassing yourself by pretending he really meant that. You know better.

He was making fun of people who express that sentiment. And you know that. You should delete for the sake of your own dignity.

[brooklynite]

16. Is there some basis for believing that a candidate with LESS support than in 2016...

...and who's polling has been static or dropping is going to wrap it up by April?

[mountain grammy]

17. Really enjoyed the interview with Amy Klobuchur..

She's good!

Also enjoyed Howard Stern, even though I didn't want to .. very funny interview.

[Eric J in MN]

19. It was sarcasm. NT

NT

[loyalsister]

38. Maher gets the deficit of the doubt

Because of his long-standing misogyny. His bias against Islam also compromises the chances that sarcastic quote which actually favored a Muslim would be interpreted as such. I have seen quite enough of him and am glad I cut the cable cord long ago.

[betsuni]

20. "I remain as convinced as ever that he will win the primary, locking it up by April ... and will

coast to victory in the general." Um, don't you know that Bill Maher likes Bernie, although he scolds anyone who thinks (absurdly) that the 2016 primary was rigged, as Bernie does. A commercial promoting Bernie and smearing Bill Maher doesn't make sense.

[Music Man]

21. You've been corrected many times. Please edit your thread.

Bill Maher was saying exactly the opposite. That's how jokes work.

Very few things make me more nervous than people with no sense of humor.

[DrFunkenstein]

22. If It Were a Warren Supporter, I'd Say

It was just a sensationalist headline, but it worries me that it is actually an attempt to plant seeds of doubt.

Not that I'd worry about the planting, but more that someone would be dumb enough to actually think it would work here.

[cwydro]

28. Pretty obvious what the OP's agenda is here.

Smh.

[Dr. Strange]

30. Here's Maher's interview with Klobuchar in that episode.

[quickesst]

32. I'm going to say this straight up

If you want to take a sound bite that can be misconstrued and taken out of context then skip to 3:49. If you really want to understand, then listen to the 10 or 15 seconds before that. It's hard for me to believe that people are so ignorant and naive and hate this guy so much that they would be willing to ignore the fact that the words,
"We Can't Have A Female President Because They're Impulsive" was absolutely not his sentiment, but a play on words about Trump and his minions. It's willfully ignorant shit like this that shakes my faith in some members of Democratic Underground and their ability two fairly judge people. Time and again I have corrected this type of bullshit concerning DU members about Bill Maher. I call bulshit on the OP, and on every post that lets hate overcome their sense of fair play.

[cwydro]

36. Thank you. Spot on.

I rarely keep any kind of mental note in my head about posters here, but this one is filed away for sure.

[quickesst]

37. welcome

It drives me to distraction knowing how easily otherwise seemingly intelligent people are so easily snookered by a sentence or a phrase taken out of context that it suspends logic and any sense of fairness. This is not the first bogus claim presented here on Democratic Underground, and I'm sure it won't be the last, but as long as I'm around they will not go unquestioned.

[cwydro]

40. It's hard to keep up sometimes.

This one’s a real winner.

[betsuni]

43. Thank you.

Every week Real Time is on I dread the posts misconstruing something Maher said. Ugh.

[quickesst]

50. these people know....

.... they are being dishonest. The only deterrent to this behavior is not just correcting it, but to make the purveyor of the falsehoods look foolish as well. Correcting such behavior is all well and good, but will not deter people from making further false accusations. On the other hand, looking foolish once is embarrassing, looking foolish more than once may give them pause.

[Celerity]

46. +10000

[quickesst]

51. Thanks Celerity

[Celerity]

52. yw!

[Johnny2X2X]

35. Maher was being sarcastic!

This thread title is totally misleading. He was making light of Trump’s impulsiveness and pouting out how the Right says women are impulsive.

[ecstatic]

39. Unrec. I saw the show.

There are plenty of examples of Bill Maher saying something offensive, but this isn't one of them.

As others have already stated, you should delete or edit your OP.

[Celerity]

44. This OP is 100% bullshit. Maher was being sarcastic! He had just said about Rump going from 'fuck

the Kurds' to then FOUR DAYS LATER, he is threatening Turkey if they attacked the Kurds. Then he said the 'but we cannot have a woman POTUS because they are impulsive' thing as a sarcastic JOKE.

You should REALLY self delete this rot. It is flat out false framing.

SMDH

[corbettkroehler]

62. That's What Happens When You Skip To The End

I will delete PRECISELY NOTHING. Accurate citations stand.

Had you read my preamble with a sober mind, not prejudging me as a liar without ever having met me, you would have realized that I agreed with Maher because his point shoots down all of the lunacy from people trying to encourage voters that choosing a woman would be a mistake.

In 2020, I will vote for our nominee, period. I am convinced that it will Sanders but offer a bulletproof commitment to support the nominee, whoever it turns out to be.

[Celerity]

63. I watched the entire video BEFORE I typed anything, read the OP as well, my comments stand

[corbettkroehler]

64. Just As My Original Thread Stands

We'll have to agree to disagree on style and substance - win some, lose some.

[betsuni]

49. He donated a million to get Obama reelected and two million to get Dems elected last year.

[corbettkroehler]

61. Bingo! Differ With His Comedic Style If You Like But THAT'S Why His Satire On This Issue Is Relevant

Thanks for the incisive added perspective!

[evertonfc]

54. Not that Bill cares what you think

it was sarcasm and he is a comedian. Bill is my fave and continues to be. He is hilarious, smart and great live.

[njhoneybadger]

55. This is ridiculous, he's mocking what rethugs said!

[BeckyDem]

56. Maher is an asshole and he is NOT a liberal. If you check his own background

you'll see it.

[TidalWave46]

60. Maher is an ass.

There is also no issue with what he said here. Delivery matters.