Hill-HarrisX: Biden 31%, Sanders 17%, Warren 15%, Harris 6%, Buttigieg & O'Rourke 4%,

[highplainsdem]

Klobuchar & Yang 2%, all others 1% or less


https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/465694-democratic-support-for-warren-climbs-to-record-high-in-new-poll

[ritapria]

1. Quinnipiac had Bernie in the Dust - at 11%

Bernie behind Liz by 18% in Q-Poll and ahead of Liz by 2% in The Hill/Harris X Poll ..We are entering The Twilight Zone of Presidential Polling …..I've been watching polls for over 40 years and have never seen such wild disparities in results …..When real voting results arrive , some polling outfits will have splain'in to do …..

[bluewater]

2. This is a great poll for Biden!

The polls are what the polls are.

[crazytown]

6. Biden has twice the support of Warren!

Ain't that the truth !!

[bluewater]

13. The HarrisX Poll is amazing!

Too bad RCP POLLS only includes it in their tracker every two weeks. I don't know why, they include the Morning Consult Poll, another great poll for Biden, every single week.

Go figure. Perhaps its a conspiracy or something...

[crazytown]

15. HarrisX should be there every single day

and twice on Sundays

[bluewater]

16. Any daily HarrisX poll is as good as any other HarrisX poll

Why discriminate?

They are all pure gold, 538 rates them all C+.

It's one of the best darn online tracker polls of the preselected Harris Panel of voters there is! And that's a FACT.

[Thekaspervote]

3. Thx for posting highplainsdem! You're the best

[Celerity]

4. The Hill is going to have to rewrite their headline again, as Warren just leaped to 20% in HarrisX

(the newest one, after this one)

their headline from your OP link

Poll: Democratic support for Warren climbs to record high

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/465694-democratic-support-for-warren-climbs-to-record-high-in-new-poll

Support for presidential candidate Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) climbed to a record high in the latest Hill-HarrisX poll.

The survey, released Monday, found 15 percent support Warren among Democratic and Democratic-leaning independents, up from the previous peak of 14 percent in September.







look at her in the brand new one from HarrisX

20%


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vTP3A31C-UA5IcqyVUYhbp9AodQ_V-w8UqpEdjEHgmQ1ybjXKvpexhR8qp5wMUOFWqVAWwbYsVE2Foh/pubhtml/sheet?headers=false&gid=0

[NYC Democrat]

5. How many freaking polls does HarrisX run.

[Celerity]

11. its the same poll, they do it every day mostly and then put out the new 3 day rolling average

they also do one offs too, and their sister poll Harvard-Harris (RWer Scott Rasmussen runs HarrisX, DINO Trump fanboy Mark Penn runs Harvard-Harris) is a separate poll, just owned by the same umbrella group, Mark Penn's Stagwell Group.




Why Old Clinton Sleazeball Mark Penn Loves Trump

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/11/clinton-adviser-mark-penn-loves-trump.html

One of Donald Trump’s many idiosyncratic effects on American politics and culture has been to divide Americans not only on the familiar partisan and ideological lines, but to some degree on personal character as well. His entire life, Trump has drawn toward him a wide array of gross, unethical characters, Democratic and Republican alike, while repelling the ethical and upstanding. Since he ran for president, the larger overarching trend toward polarization has masked this smaller effect. But there are plenty of individual instances where Trump’s characterological appeal has come through. One of them is Mark Penn.

Penn, the former adviser to President Clinton and campaign manager for Hillary Clinton in 2008, has very few philosophical reasons to admire Trump. Penn has spent his career urging Democrats to endorse the socially liberal, pro-free trade, pro-immigration, fiscally conservative policy mix favored by upscale, college-educated elites. Trump’s political brand is the precise opposite. But Penn has careerist and personal reasons, having been denied a similar appointment with Clinton after his disastrous 2008 performance. What’s more, Penn is also overtly unethical, and this seems to have overridden any ideological qualms he may be harboring. In Trump he recognizes a kindred soul, or lack of soul, and has churned out a series of relentless propaganda on his behalf.

Penn’s latest paean to the greatness of Trump offers a disturbing window into the vacuous mind of one of the worst people to work in Democratic politics in the last generation. (The only political advisers worse than Penn are Penn’s former partners, Dick Morris and Doug Schoen.) Penn’s thesis is that, despite the predicted wave election he faces Tuesday, Trump has brilliantly outmaneuvered all his enemies. “His political survival after two years in office,” gushes Penn, “is a modern-day miracle.”

Right at the outset, Penn has set the bar so low — “survival” — that anything short of death or impeachment and removal qualifies as a triumph. In fact, Trump’s approval ratings have never sniffed 50 percent, and he is in danger of losing the House majority despite benefiting from a map so ruthlessly gerrymandered in his party’s favor that Democrats need to win the national vote by at least 5 percentage points just to break even. Penn goes on to credit Trump not only as a political wizard, but as a policy savant who has elevated the level of thought in American politics. Penn’s Trump is a Man of Ideas. Penn notes that while he does not personally agree with Trump’s “idea for ending birthright citizenship,” he praises its substance: “It’s not an insult, a racial epithet, or an off-color joke. It’s an idea that focuses on how an open-borders policy reverberates.”

snip

Mark Penn: Democrats don't understand this surprising secret of Trump's success

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/mark-penn-democrats-dont-understand-this-surprising-secret-of-trumps-success

[highplainsdem]

7. Different poll. The OP is about Hill/HarrisX. The one you're citing is a partnership between

Scott Rasmussen and HarrisX. There's also a Harris poll in partnership with Harvard.

[bluewater]

9. Does 538 even list The Hill/HarrisX poll? Or rate it?

I can't find that in the 538 list, or any poll that has "hill" as a tag using their search function.

538 just lists tons of HarrisX polls.

What's up with that?

[highplainsdem]

12. This poll is on today's list at 538, but misidentified simply as Harris X. Look at this page

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/

and the Democratic primary polls.

It's next to last in that section, between the NC poll from East Carolina University and the Climate Nexus Ohio poll.

They released this poll a week late, so it says Oct. 6-7. Click on the poll name there and it will take you to this page:

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/465694-democratic-support-for-warren-climbs-to-record-high-in-new-poll

[bluewater]

14. So it's just another HarrisX Poll. I thought so.

538 identifies it as a HarrisX poll.

They NEVER have identified it as The Hill/HarrisX. Searching on that returns ZERO results.

CHALLENGE: find this poll listed as "The Hill/HarrisX" or any permutation that includes "hill", on 538's list of polls.

It is simply never listed as that. Ever.

It's not "misidentified", it's always listed by 538 as another HarrisX poll.

[highplainsdem]

17. Again, they're different polls. The HarrisX polls at ScottRasmussen.com are tracking polls covering

a few days Not two.

Like YouGov, Harris partnerships are diffeent polls.

Which is why the Economist/YouGov polling doesn't match YouGov Blue, their partnership with Data for Progress.

Btw the Hill-Harris X poll was of 446 voters

The Scott Rasmussen/HarrisX polls are of thousands of voters.

[bluewater]

18. If it's a different poll, what does 538 rate it and where is it's methodology listed?

Honestly, 538 just calls it a HarrisX poll.

538 NEVER lists results for a "The Hill/HarrisX" poll.

Why is that?

538 separately lists partnership polls for other pollsters.

[highplainsdem]

19. I don't know, bluewater. Why don't you contact them and find out? LOL.

[bluewater]

20. LOL You posted this poll!

The onus is not on me to validate a poll you posted.



So... no rating? No methodology? No listing for "The Hill/HarrisX" poll in 538?

Ok... lol

Thanks for the discussion.

[highplainsdem]

21. Well, articles at FiveThirtyEight have referred to the Hill-HarrisX poll.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-public-blamed-trump-for-the-shutdown-but-that-may-be-changing/


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wants-to-raise-taxes-on-the-rich-and-americans-agree/


And btw, RCP includes the Hill/HarrisX poll though they don't include the HarrisX tracking poll Scott Rasmussen does.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/democratic_nomination_polls/


Btw, if you look at that page you'll see the CBS Battleground Tracker poll described as CBS News/YouGov.

The YouGov poll posted here most often is the Economist/YouGov.

And the other day we heard about YouGov Blue, YouGov's partnership with a progressive website.

They're separate polls. Just as HarrisX and Hill-HarrisX and Harvard-Harris are separate.

Differen't polling periods, # of people polled, and results.

[bluewater]

22. Yes, 538 lists the different "partnership" polls for YouGov, but not for HarrisX

Again, there simply is NO listing on 538 for "The Hill/HarrisX", you can search their list for it but it's simply not there.

What is the 538 rating for this "The Hill/HarrisX" poll? What is it's methodology? 538 only lists it as an HarrisX poll period.

What gives?



If it's truly a different poll, why isn't it listed as such and why doesn't it have a separate 538 rating?

And, would you please provide a link to the methodology for this "The Hill/HarrisX" poll?

Thanks.

[highplainsdem]

24. 538 doesn't provide ratings for all the polls they list. Look at the Oct. 11 listing for

YouGov Blue/Data for Progress.

And the methodology is on the page at The Hill that the OP links to.

538 links to the poll, bluewater. So does RCP.

If you want to obsess over why 538 doesn't list it as the Hill-HarrisX poll when RCP does, go right ahead.

I'm just going to post the poll results, which are good enough for 538 and RCP.

I don't care what you think of the poll.

[bluewater]

25. 538 posts ratings for polls with established track records.

They don't post ratings for new polls with little track records.

The YouGov Blue/Data for Progress poll is a new poll, while The Hill/HarrisX poll has been frequently posted and used on places like RCP polls.

So again, we don't know why 538 just lists it as a HarrisX poll, and we don't have a rating for it. Is that because 538 doesn't consider it an established poll with a track record?

Honestly, wanting to see the rating for such a frequently cited poll does not seem "obsessive" to me.

538 treats this poll differently then they do other "partnership" polls, like the different YouGov polls you mentioned, and I still wonder why.

But thanks for the discussion.

[emmaverybo]

8. Billed as "Warren hits record high!?" Warren hits record high yet remains behind Sanders and Biden

has twice her percentage points! Is Warren having a Harris moment?

[bluewater]

10. The HarrisX poll is what the HarrisX poll is.

Hey, 538 says we should look at the average of major polls in any case.

But, once again, the HarrisX poll returns some great numbers for Biden!

the polls are what the polls are

[BlueMississippi]

23. k&r nt