Democratic Primaries
Related: About this forumVOX: The Hillary Clinton-Tulsi Gabbard feud, explained
By Zack Beauchamp@zackbeauchampzack@vox.com Oct 22, 2019, 8:40am EDT
Hillary Clinton emerged from relative political obscurity last week to claim that Tulsi Gabbard, a Democratic presidential candidate and member of Congress from Hawaii, was the favorite of the Russians prepping for a third-party spoiler run during a podcast interview. She went so far as to imply that the representative was a Russian asset.
Gabbard fired back by calling Clinton the queen of warmongers, embodiment of corruption, and personification of the rot that has sickened the Democratic Party. In Gabbards telling, her partys 2016 nominee was behind a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation ... through your proxies and powerful allies in the corporate media and war machine.
Its now clear that this primary is between you and me, Gabbard, who is at 1.2 percent in the RealClearPolitics primary polling average, concluded. Dont cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.
This is a bizarrely intense fight given that these two are members of the same party. Clinton suggesting Gabbard is the Kremlins chosen agent for destroying the Democrats in 2020? Gabbard accusing Clinton of being the puppet master behind a massive conspiracy against her? Are these people serious?
Unfortunately, the answer to that question is yes in ways that reveal some troubling tendencies among American liberals and leftists today.
More: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/22/20924999/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard-fight-explained
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Turin_C3PO
(14,004 posts)I listen. Shes been right on just about everything. No reason to doubt her judgement now.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
LisaM
(27,813 posts)That turned into the Fox Noise machine, not to mention the vast swaths of America served almost solely by right-wing hate radio. She got laughed at for her pains, but people should have listened then and they need to listen now.
With her track record, people need to pay attention.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Every time I see her my heart break because I know the World would be so much different today if the creature and his minions had not cheated, and if Democrats had been proactive in anticipating it.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
betsuni
(25,537 posts)And so many people were happy to believe it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
brush
(53,787 posts)she said the GOP was grooming Gabbard for a third-party run.
Make you wonder if the NYT misquoted her accidentally on purpose as that paper has quite a long history of Clinton hate.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/new-york-times-changes-story-admitting-they-misquoted-clinton-saying-russians-were-grooming-tulsi-gabbard/
Sorry for the link but it tells the real deal on this. Rawstory's site can get quite confusing with all the pop-ups.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
George II
(67,782 posts)Gabbard should do the same.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
redqueen
(115,103 posts)But that's not what's happening. I hope it starts to die down soon.
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)Shes milking it.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,311 posts)to white nationalist tucker's fox show and Whined some Moar!
And, now jill stein is doing the same thing.. Lying about Hillary.
Link to tweet
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Cha
(297,311 posts)has been calling out trump on his utter BullShit all along..
Hillary's appreciation thread on DU..
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212604573
Hillary was right about trump being a Russian puppet and no one listened to her and here we are.
As one of the people in TG's district.. I'm grateful to Hillary Clinton and the People supporting, Kai Kahele, gabbard's Challenger are, too.
The people of Hawaii are helping Kai Kahele now..
But local insiders say a primary challenge from state Sen. Kai Kahele is to be taken seriously, in part because he already has high-profile support among towering local officials.
That includes three former governors in the local Democratic establishment: Neil Abercrombie, Ben Cayetano and John Waihee, who don't often appear as a bloc.
"That gives a pretty good indication of how the mainstream Democratic Party here regards her," said Colin Moore, director of the Public Policy Center at the University of Hawaii.
Kahele told CNN on Monday that his campaign had its best day of fundraising when Gabbard and Clinton clashed.
Gabbard has not formally announced a reelection bid for her House seat. Candidates have until June 2, 2020, to file for that November's election.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/21/politics/tulsi-gabbard-2020-hawaii-hillary-clinton/index.html?utm_medium=social&utm_term=image&utm_source=twCNNp&utm_content=2019-10-22T01%3A04%3A06
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Mahalo, Goth! https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1287&pid=320221
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,317 posts)His pieces on Vox are often linked by the right. He went nuts along with the other deniers after Bob Barr famously released his report "exonerating" Trump.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,311 posts)Not sure why anyone would think it's a good idea to post a "Russia Influence denier" on DU?
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
kcr
(15,317 posts)Prompted me to comment. I think Zach's attention is pretty selective, especially when it comes to anything Clinton. I read Vox because they do have some good writing, but obviously some of it is crap. I remember his crap about Russia.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,311 posts)was a damn red flag.
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Quixote1818
(28,946 posts)Because pretty much everyone form ABC News, CNN, NBC to the New York times has a similar conclusion to this article.
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kcr
(15,317 posts)edit: Funny thing about the NYT. Have you heard? They misquoted Hillary. She actually said it was the GOP. And we all know what's been going on with them.
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BigmanPigman
(51,609 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,311 posts)And, there's this..
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287317411
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Pachamama
(16,887 posts)I donated to him and I encourage anybody disgusted by Tulsi Gabbard do so.
Its a very effective and satisfying way to combat Russian interference in elections.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,311 posts)It working out better than I could have hoped when we were all so bummed in 2018.. it didn't seem fair and now we more than know why!
Mahalo for donating to Kai!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)And Hillary Clinton is not, never had been, and never will be on "political obscurity."
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Cha
(297,311 posts)That was the Red Flag.. right there.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
2naSalit
(86,646 posts)HRC never mentioned anyone's name when suggesting someone was being favored by russian hacks. She never called a House rep. a russian asset. She called Jill Stein an asset. And the only fued is in TG's head and the heads of her following.
Aside from the fact that HRC has not been in political obscurity.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Cha
(297,311 posts)head!
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
jpak
(41,758 posts)Folks pushing the "feud" thingy are probably Russian assets sowing discord.
Yup
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)Absolutely correct!
Tulsi is thriving on her 15 minutes before fading into "political obscurity."
Frankly, this is more of a Faux Noise media circus than a "feud."
Hillary didn't even say Tulsi's name. But Tulsi assumed that SHE was the one meant and the media play along, as they always do when they have the slightest excuse to drag Hillary over the coals.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quixote1818
(28,946 posts)I personally don't think Gabbard has ANY plans to disrupt anything and please bring this post to my attention and shove it down my throat if she does run 3rd party. Sure she lines up with Russia on like one or two foreign policy issues putting her at odds with many Dems which has possibly caused Russia to latch onto her and put a few Russian bots out to help her campaign which was going no place until Hillary shined a red hot spotlight on her, but that is as far as it goes. Anything else is everyone imaginations going wild. This goes back to Gabbard being a Maverick with the DNC when she didn't like the good old boy networking going on. Just as they said on ABC, news twitter is filled with this conspiracy stuff but it doesn't line up with the current evidence. Even Malcolm Nance who would know, has said she isn't a Russian asset. Gabbard likes the more left wing part of the party and she will be backing any democratic nominee. As for going on Fox News? Lots of Dems have done that over the years from Wes Clark to Pet. It gets her exposure and raises her profile.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)A modicum of actual research reveal this.
But you are right, shes not going anywhere politically. So you deliberately posted something to get people riled up? Interesting
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Quixote1818
(28,946 posts)I agree she has issues but she isn't a Russian asset. All that is making us look foolish.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)assumed that SHE was the one meant. That smacks of "too much" protest to me.
Either that or she is an opportunist. Or both.
I'm going with both.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,650 posts)The NYT has corrected their erroneous reporting, and even the first report didn't say that Clinton called Gabbard a Russian asset.
Clinton said that Jill Stein is a Russian asset.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/new-york-times-changes-story-admitting-they-misquoted-clinton-saying-russians-were-grooming-tulsi-gabbard/#.Xa-gAKKls4E.twitter
In fact, the actual thing Clinton said was that Republicans were grooming Gabbard to be a third-party spoiler candidate in 2020.
Hillary Clinton waded into the Democratic primary on Friday by suggesting that Russia was backing Rep. Tulsi Gabbard of Hawaii for president and that Republicans were grooming her as a third-party candidate, The Times said in a corrected report (emphasis from RawStory).
Its now clear that this primary is between you and me, Gabbard tweeted about Clinton. Dont cowardly hide behind your proxies. Join the race directly.
In an interview with Fox News Monday, Trump used the inaccurate quote to justify diminishing the accusations of his links to Russia.
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden
yardwork
(61,650 posts)primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden